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RG at 02:26, 12 May 2026

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Helpimstuckinahole smith at 05:11, 3 February 2021

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 As someone who missed this era of the internet by a few years, whilst this is only slightly related to the comic, I have to ask, was it genuinely like the wildwest? Part of me feels like you guys play it up slightly. [[User:RG|RG]] ([[User talk:RG|talk]]) 02:26, 12 May 2026 (UTC)
 :I can only speak of my own experiences, starting with pre-web Internet (Usenet discussions, also telnetted-to BBSs, IRC, FTP servers/Kermitting for shareware, etc) when I first realised that the (already well over a decade old) Internet existed due to getting an academic opportunity. Interesting and more ''innocent'' times (even with the likes of given anon.penet.fi being used in capacities even less regulated than 4chan or the darkweb currently is), because you just didn't have everybody-and-their-LOLcat around. Geeks ruled, and subsets of geeks with other ulterior motives and aims were more disperate.
-:Then, at some point, there was Gopher and ''after that'' the World Wide Web, which was a 'novelty' for us geeks. (I set up my first personal web-page... It was a long list of interesting links to other web-pages I'd found, which I then started to classify. If I'd have put a bit more effort in I could have eventually been Yahoo (and/or Google) before they did...) Still nice, still geeky. Still very family-friendly (with a cautious nod about the existence of a.s.s(.m) and the a.p.b.e(.*), of course), though there were practically no families, per se. ("TANGOTE", in fact. Though of course I knew a few actual ones who were, being academically present in the same place as me, it just wasn't 'a thing'. And naturally I'm skipping over such as "the GIFfy Girls".) Still a fairly innocent and idealised time.
+:Then, at some point, there was Gopher and ''after that'' the World Wide Web, which was a 'novelty' for us geeks. (I set up my first personal web-page... It was a long list of interesting links to other web-pages I'd found, which I then started to classify. If I'd have put a bit more effort in I could have eventually been Yahoo (and/or Google) before they did...) Still nice, still geeky. Still very family-friendly (with a cautious nod about the existence of a.s.s(.m) and the a.p.b.e(.*), of course), though there were practically no families, per se. ("TANGOTI", in fact. Though of course I knew a few actual ones who were, being academically present in the same place as me, it just wasn't 'a thing'. And naturally I'm skipping over such as "the GIFfy Girls".) Still a fairly innocent and idealised time.
 :Then came The Eternal September. Can't recall if it was AOL or webTV, or possibly somewhere else, that caused the greatest influx, but this was the start of "''everybody'' is on the Internet" (or at least, as far as I was concerned, Usenet, which was still my go-to 'social space', mostly under the 'better' groups of the alt.fan.* hierarchy). Imagine, by today's standards, that you're on a nice forum/messageboard and some other (less salubrious) 'collective' decides to 'Raid' your domain for shitz'n'giggles (except ''mostly'' this was being done without conscious ill-intent, just really a nearly unmanagable flood of n00bs treading on toee, etc). For me, this is the "Wild Wild West" era, with naive prospectors and wild bandits clashing with indiginous natives (though the latter had been the ones to have created the townships with the previously friendly saloon-bar, rather than the 'native encampment' analogue, so my analogy breaks down somewhat).
 :Then I 'took a break' for a year or two, leaving academe and my first job (though technical) with Internet access was basically email-only for all practical purposes. In that time, I think Internet Explorer shifted from being the free 'hero' vs. the mercenary Netscape Navigator (at least amongst those of us who were used to the freedom of NCSA Mosaic, and designed "Netscape Incompatible" web pages to protest that) to becoming the 'establishment' standard-setter, having soured the deal. Anyway, things eventually switched around, and I'm very much a fan of some of the Netscape-family's descendent browsers, and try to avoid Edge as much as I can.
 :But I digress. When I 'got back on the Internet', it was basically synonymous with "the Web" for various reasons, though I was still primarily more interested in alt.fan.* socialising... It wasn't full on Web 2.0 (i.e. forums). Not sure when Geocities came about (without checking) to fill the niche that I suppose in current ("Web 3.0"?) times is filled with wiki-style contributions, at least in the "fandom.com" vein. For me, that was post-Wild West. Not so much Dodge City/Tombstone era as Las Vegas (with or without the 'mob-connections').
 :"Social Media", as it is now, was still not here, but perhaps only because it wasn't "one click to take a photo and upload it immediately" yet, for various reasons (web-connected cameras weren't in your pocket yet, for starters; though at least you no longer had to know how to use Uuencode (or have a handy anon-FTP server at hand) for any digitised pictures you wanted to share publically). It was 'on the way'. Though I, personally, was already beyond the stage of online life where I might have joined in on 'Facespace/Mybook'-like platforms, even if it would these days have ''boosted'' my "geek-cred" to have been (even fairly inactively) in on these places from nearly the beginning. But I didn't see the rise in that as important, when it was starting to happen, and since then this whole Web3.0/App-based thing has igone ''over''-popular and it'd be like moving into a big city after being used to being in a small village out well beyond any urban suburbs.
-:Now, this is just my (extended) review of things. Exactly where it is 'most Wild West' will depend upon individual perspectives, with some doubtless considering (and having been there to witness) the early DARPANet times as fulfilling this, others may indeed consider today (or at least the comic's own era) as like this, at least potentially for the hypothetical time-traveller's perspective from who-knows-whay future conversion of the online ecosystem.
+:Now, this is just my (extended) review of things. Exactly where it is 'most Wild West' will depend upon individual perspectives, with some doubtless considering (and having been there to witness) the early DARPANet times as fulfilling this, others may indeed consider today (or at least the comic's own era) as like this, at least potentially for the hypothetical time-traveller's perspective from who-knows-what future conversion of the online ecosystem they in turn inhabit.
-:But, mainly, I think that way of imagining the Time Traveller's 'impressions' of the era that he is discribing is framed is also more of a [[771: Period Speech]]-type mish-mash of misconceptions than a historically accurate reduction into a definite 'Wild West'-like period as a direct comparison.
+:But, mainly, I think that way of imagining the Time Traveller's 'impressions', of the era that he is describing, should be framed also more as of a [[771: Period Speech]]-type mish-mash of misconceptions than a historically accurate reduction into a definite 'Wild West'-like period as a direct comparison. (Also, the Wild West was pretty amorphous with not so clear start and end points, I'm sure historians of the era will agree.)
 :Also, among my fellow Interneteers, Gopherists and Webscrapers of old, I think we very rarely wore ''both'' the red cap ''and'' the goggles '''at the same time''', so that's just plain wrong! [[Special:Contributions/82.132.222.140|82.132.222.140]] 10:32, 12 May 2026 (UTC)

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 :I can only speak of my own experiences, starting with pre-web Internet (Usenet discussions, also telnetted-to BBSs, IRC, FTP servers/Kermitting for shareware, etc) when I first realised that the (already well over a decade old) Internet existed due to getting an academic opportunity. Interesting and more ''innocent'' times (even with the likes of given anon.penet.fi being used in capacities even less regulated than 4chan or the darkweb currently is), because you just didn't have everybody-and-their-LOLcat around. Geeks ruled, and subsets of geeks with other ulterior motives and aims were more disperate.
 :Then, at some point, there was Gopher and ''after that'' the World Wide Web, which was a 'novelty' for us geeks. (I set up my first personal web-page... It was a long list of interesting links to other web-pages I'd found, which I then started to classify. If I'd have put a bit more effort in I could have eventually been Yahoo (and/or Google) before they did...) Still nice, still geeky. Still very family-friendly (with a cautious nod about the existence of a.s.s(.m) and the a.p.b.e(.*), of course), though there were practically no families, per se. ("TANGOTE", in fact. Though of course I knew a few actual ones who were, being academically present in the same place as me, it just wasn't 'a thing'. And naturally I'm skipping over such as "the GIFfy Girls".) Still a fairly innocent and idealised time.
-:Then came The Eternal September. Can't recall if it was AOL or webTVz or possibly somewhere else, that caused the greatest influx, but this was the start of "''everybody'' is on the Internet" (or at least, as far as I was concerned, Usenet, which was still my go-to 'social space', mostly under the 'better' groups of the alt.fan.* hierarchy). Imagine, by today's standards, that you're on a nice forum/messageboard and some other (less salubrious) 'collective' decides to 'Raid' your domain for shitz'n'giggles (except ''mostly'' this was being done without conscious ill-intent, just really a nearly unmanagable flood of n00bs treading on toee, etc). For me, this is the "Wild Wild West" era, with naive prospectors and wild bandits clashing with indiginous natives (though the latter had been the ones to have created the townships with the previously friendly saloon-bar, rather than the 'native encampment' analogue, so my analogy breaks down somewhat).
+:Then came The Eternal September. Can't recall if it was AOL or webTV, or possibly somewhere else, that caused the greatest influx, but this was the start of "''everybody'' is on the Internet" (or at least, as far as I was concerned, Usenet, which was still my go-to 'social space', mostly under the 'better' groups of the alt.fan.* hierarchy). Imagine, by today's standards, that you're on a nice forum/messageboard and some other (less salubrious) 'collective' decides to 'Raid' your domain for shitz'n'giggles (except ''mostly'' this was being done without conscious ill-intent, just really a nearly unmanagable flood of n00bs treading on toee, etc). For me, this is the "Wild Wild West" era, with naive prospectors and wild bandits clashing with indiginous natives (though the latter had been the ones to have created the townships with the previously friendly saloon-bar, rather than the 'native encampment' analogue, so my analogy breaks down somewhat).
 :Then I 'took a break' for a year or two, leaving academe and my first job (though technical) with Internet access was basically email-only for all practical purposes. In that time, I think Internet Explorer shifted from being the free 'hero' vs. the mercenary Netscape Navigator (at least amongst those of us who were used to the freedom of NCSA Mosaic, and designed "Netscape Incompatible" web pages to protest that) to becoming the 'establishment' standard-setter, having soured the deal. Anyway, things eventually switched around, and I'm very much a fan of some of the Netscape-family's descendent browsers, and try to avoid Edge as much as I can.
 :But I digress. When I 'got back on the Internet', it was basically synonymous with "the Web" for various reasons, though I was still primarily more interested in alt.fan.* socialising... It wasn't full on Web 2.0 (i.e. forums). Not sure when Geocities came about (without checking) to fill the niche that I suppose in current ("Web 3.0"?) times is filled with wiki-style contributions, at least in the "fandom.com" vein. For me, that was post-Wild West. Not so much Dodge City/Tombstone era as Las Vegas (with or without the 'mob-connections').

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 As someone who missed this era of the internet by a few years, whilst this is only slightly related to the comic, I have to ask, was it genuinely like the wildwest? Part of me feels like you guys play it up slightly. [[User:RG|RG]] ([[User talk:RG|talk]]) 02:26, 12 May 2026 (UTC)
-:I can only speak of my own experiences, starting with pre-web Internet (Usenet discussions, also telnetted-to BBSs, IRC, FTP servers/Kermitting for shareware, etc) when I first realised that the (already well over a decade old) Internet existed due to getting an academic opportunity. Interesting and more ''innocent' times (even with the likes of given anon.penet.fi being used in capacities even less regulated than 4chan or the darkweb currently is), because you just didn't have everybody-and-their-LOLcat around. Geeks ruled, and subsets of geeks with other ulterior motives and aims were more disperate.
+:I can only speak of my own experiences, starting with pre-web Internet (Usenet discussions, also telnetted-to BBSs, IRC, FTP servers/Kermitting for shareware, etc) when I first realised that the (already well over a decade old) Internet existed due to getting an academic opportunity. Interesting and more ''innocent'' times (even with the likes of given anon.penet.fi being used in capacities even less regulated than 4chan or the darkweb currently is), because you just didn't have everybody-and-their-LOLcat around. Geeks ruled, and subsets of geeks with other ulterior motives and aims were more disperate.
 :Then, at some point, there was Gopher and ''after that'' the World Wide Web, which was a 'novelty' for us geeks. (I set up my first personal web-page... It was a long list of interesting links to other web-pages I'd found, which I then started to classify. If I'd have put a bit more effort in I could have eventually been Yahoo (and/or Google) before they did...) Still nice, still geeky. Still very family-friendly (with a cautious nod about the existence of a.s.s(.m) and the a.p.b.e(.*), of course), though there were practically no families, per se. ("TANGOTE", in fact. Though of course I knew a few actual ones who were, being academically present in the same place as me, it just wasn't 'a thing'. And naturally I'm skipping over such as "the GIFfy Girls".) Still a fairly innocent and idealised time.
 :Then came The Eternal September. Can't recall if it was AOL or webTVz or possibly somewhere else, that caused the greatest influx, but this was the start of "''everybody'' is on the Internet" (or at least, as far as I was concerned, Usenet, which was still my go-to 'social space', mostly under the 'better' groups of the alt.fan.* hierarchy). Imagine, by today's standards, that you're on a nice forum/messageboard and some other (less salubrious) 'collective' decides to 'Raid' your domain for shitz'n'giggles (except ''mostly'' this was being done without conscious ill-intent, just really a nearly unmanagable flood of n00bs treading on toee, etc). For me, this is the "Wild Wild West" era, with naive prospectors and wild bandits clashing with indiginous natives (though the latter had been the ones to have created the townships with the previously friendly saloon-bar, rather than the 'native encampment' analogue, so my analogy breaks down somewhat).

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	As someone who missed this era of the internet by a few years, whilst this is only slightly related to the comic, I have to ask, was it genuinely like the wildwest? Part of me feels like you guys play it up slightly. [[User:RG\|RG]] ([[User talk:RG\|talk]]) 02:26, 12 May 2026 (UTC)		As someone who missed this era of the internet by a few years, whilst this is only slightly related to the comic, I have to ask, was it genuinely like the wildwest? Part of me feels like you guys play it up slightly. [[User:RG\|RG]] ([[User talk:RG\|talk]]) 02:26, 12 May 2026 (UTC)
		+	:I can only speak of my own experiences, starting with pre-web Internet (Usenet discussions, also telnetted-to BBSs, IRC, FTP servers/Kermitting for shareware, etc) when I first realised that the (already well over a decade old) Internet existed due to getting an academic opportunity. Interesting and more ''innocent' times (even with the likes of given anon.penet.fi being used in capacities even less regulated than 4chan or the darkweb currently is), because you just didn't have everybody-and-their-LOLcat around. Geeks ruled, and subsets of geeks with other ulterior motives and aims were more disperate.
		+	:Then, at some point, there was Gopher and ''after that'' the World Wide Web, which was a 'novelty' for us geeks. (I set up my first personal web-page... It was a long list of interesting links to other web-pages I'd found, which I then started to classify. If I'd have put a bit more effort in I could have eventually been Yahoo (and/or Google) before they did...) Still nice, still geeky. Still very family-friendly (with a cautious nod about the existence of a.s.s(.m) and the a.p.b.e(.*), of course), though there were practically no families, per se. ("TANGOTE", in fact. Though of course I knew a few actual ones who were, being academically present in the same place as me, it just wasn't 'a thing'. And naturally I'm skipping over such as "the GIFfy Girls".) Still a fairly innocent and idealised time.
		+	:Then came The Eternal September. Can't recall if it was AOL or webTVz or possibly somewhere else, that caused the greatest influx, but this was the start of "''everybody'' is on the Internet" (or at least, as far as I was concerned, Usenet, which was still my go-to 'social space', mostly under the 'better' groups of the alt.fan.* hierarchy). Imagine, by today's standards, that you're on a nice forum/messageboard and some other (less salubrious) 'collective' decides to 'Raid' your domain for shitz'n'giggles (except ''mostly'' this was being done without conscious ill-intent, just really a nearly unmanagable flood of n00bs treading on toee, etc). For me, this is the "Wild Wild West" era, with naive prospectors and wild bandits clashing with indiginous natives (though the latter had been the ones to have created the townships with the previously friendly saloon-bar, rather than the 'native encampment' analogue, so my analogy breaks down somewhat).
		+	:Then I 'took a break' for a year or two, leaving academe and my first job (though technical) with Internet access was basically email-only for all practical purposes. In that time, I think Internet Explorer shifted from being the free 'hero' vs. the mercenary Netscape Navigator (at least amongst those of us who were used to the freedom of NCSA Mosaic, and designed "Netscape Incompatible" web pages to protest that) to becoming the 'establishment' standard-setter, having soured the deal. Anyway, things eventually switched around, and I'm very much a fan of some of the Netscape-family's descendent browsers, and try to avoid Edge as much as I can.
		+	:But I digress. When I 'got back on the Internet', it was basically synonymous with "the Web" for various reasons, though I was still primarily more interested in alt.fan.* socialising... It wasn't full on Web 2.0 (i.e. forums). Not sure when Geocities came about (without checking) to fill the niche that I suppose in current ("Web 3.0"?) times is filled with wiki-style contributions, at least in the "fandom.com" vein. For me, that was post-Wild West. Not so much Dodge City/Tombstone era as Las Vegas (with or without the 'mob-connections').
		+	:"Social Media", as it is now, was still not here, but perhaps only because it wasn't "one click to take a photo and upload it immediately" yet, for various reasons (web-connected cameras weren't in your pocket yet, for starters; though at least you no longer had to know how to use Uuencode (or have a handy anon-FTP server at hand) for any digitised pictures you wanted to share publically). It was 'on the way'. Though I, personally, was already beyond the stage of online life where I might have joined in on 'Facespace/Mybook'-like platforms, even if it would these days have ''boosted'' my "geek-cred" to have been (even fairly inactively) in on these places from nearly the beginning. But I didn't see the rise in that as important, when it was starting to happen, and since then this whole Web3.0/App-based thing has igone ''over''-popular and it'd be like moving into a big city after being used to being in a small village out well beyond any urban suburbs.
		+	:Now, this is just my (extended) review of things. Exactly where it is 'most Wild West' will depend upon individual perspectives, with some doubtless considering (and having been there to witness) the early DARPANet times as fulfilling this, others may indeed consider today (or at least the comic's own era) as like this, at least potentially for the hypothetical time-traveller's perspective from who-knows-whay future conversion of the online ecosystem.
		+	:But, mainly, I think that way of imagining the Time Traveller's 'impressions' of the era that he is discribing is framed is also more of a [[771: Period Speech]]-type mish-mash of misconceptions than a historically accurate reduction into a definite 'Wild West'-like period as a direct comparison.
		+	:Also, among my fellow Interneteers, Gopherists and Webscrapers of old, I think we very rarely wore ''both'' the red cap ''and'' the goggles '''at the same time''', so that's just plain wrong! [[Special:Contributions/82.132.222.140\|82.132.222.140]] 10:32, 12 May 2026 (UTC)

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	Randall also seems to have likened Internet trolls to fantasy ones in this comic: https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/591:_Troll_Slayer[[Special:Contributions/162.158.30.86\|162.158.30.86]] 03:42, 24 January 2023 (UTC)		Randall also seems to have likened Internet trolls to fantasy ones in this comic: https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/591:_Troll_Slayer[[Special:Contributions/162.158.30.86\|162.158.30.86]] 03:42, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
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		+	As someone who missed this era of the internet by a few years, whilst this is only slightly related to the comic, I have to ask, was it genuinely like the wildwest? Part of me feels like you guys play it up slightly. [[User:RG\|RG]] ([[User talk:RG\|talk]]) 02:26, 12 May 2026 (UTC)

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−	Randall also seems to have likened Internet trolls to fantasy ones in this comic: https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/591:_Troll_Slayer	+	Randall also seems to have likened Internet trolls to fantasy ones in this comic: https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/591:_Troll_Slayer[[Special:Contributions/162.158.30.86\|162.158.30.86]] 03:42, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

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	i think the struckiring and lvls is 1 a refrence 2 video game levels and the sturcking like capcha but more		i think the struckiring and lvls is 1 a refrence 2 video game levels and the sturcking like capcha but more
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		+	Randall also seems to have likened Internet trolls to fantasy ones in this comic: https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/591:_Troll_Slayer

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	Levels would be the amount companies are going to force people to pay to keep the same Internet that they have now with the end of Net Neutrality and the ability to go to any website without restriction because it does not help pad the pockets of today Government/Corporate overlords[[Special:Contributions/162.158.62.231\|162.158.62.231]] 11:20, 6 July 2017 (UTC)		Levels would be the amount companies are going to force people to pay to keep the same Internet that they have now with the end of Net Neutrality and the ability to go to any website without restriction because it does not help pad the pockets of today Government/Corporate overlords[[Special:Contributions/162.158.62.231\|162.158.62.231]] 11:20, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
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		+	i think the struckiring and lvls is 1 a refrence 2 video game levels and the sturcking like capcha but more

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 I can't figure out how to word well enough to add it in, but my interpretation is that's it's a joke about the way that we organize time, with the Structuring and the Levels being like the Renaissance and the Age of Enlightenment. Someone living through both wouldn't notice a sudden difference between them, while someone looking at them as past events can think of things in terms of decades and centuries, and choose a point at the start, middle or end of the gradual changes which brought about the later time period. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.246.209|108.162.246.209]] 22:16, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
-:I have no other explanation, yet I wonder if there was a time before people tended to simplify past events or things in general. The title text sounds like a reminescence, maybe of how Munroe perceived the early internet.
+:I have no other explanation, yet I wonder if there was a time before people tended to simplify past events or things in general. The title text sounds like a reminescence, maybe of how Munroe perceived the early internet. {{unsigned ip|141.101.105.42}}
 No-one else thought that Structuring and Levels referred to some kind of event that restructured the internet of the future? I mean, the future cosplayer speaks of the modern internet as some wild and adventurous place, free of rules and responsibility. The future internet could be strictly regulated, where bloggers can only speak to bloggers of their "level" and a talk thread digressing out of it's place in the Structure would be ruthlessly persecuted!

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	:I have no other explanation, yet I wonder if there was a time before people tended to simplify past events or things in general. The title text sounds like a reminescence, maybe of how Munroe perceived the early internet.		:I have no other explanation, yet I wonder if there was a time before people tended to simplify past events or things in general. The title text sounds like a reminescence, maybe of how Munroe perceived the early internet.
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	No-one else thought that Structuring and Levels referred to some kind of event that restructured the internet of the future? I mean, the future cosplayer speaks of the modern internet as some wild and adventurous place, free of rules and responsibility. The future internet could be strictly regulated, where bloggers can only speak to bloggers of their "level" and a talk thread digressing out of it's place in the Structure would be ruthlessly persecuted!		No-one else thought that Structuring and Levels referred to some kind of event that restructured the internet of the future? I mean, the future cosplayer speaks of the modern internet as some wild and adventurous place, free of rules and responsibility. The future internet could be strictly regulated, where bloggers can only speak to bloggers of their "level" and a talk thread digressing out of it's place in the Structure would be ruthlessly persecuted!