Talk:2402: Into My Veins - Revision history

Lettherebedarklight at 13:49, 28 December 2020

2020-12-28T13:49:27Z

ProphetZarquon: -redundancy

2020-12-27T18:33:31Z

-redundancy

ProphetZarquon: Indent

2020-12-27T18:31:28Z

Indent

ProphetZarquon: Vaccines are a band-aid on declining immunological health

2020-12-27T18:30:48Z

Vaccines are a band-aid on declining immunological health

Hkmaly at 05:20, 26 December 2020

2020-12-26T05:20:19Z

Hkmaly at 05:19, 26 December 2020

2020-12-26T05:19:53Z

Nitpicking: Way too much exposition about the vaccines and immune system.

2020-12-26T03:36:48Z

Way too much exposition about the vaccines and immune system.

ProphetZarquon: *we are

2020-12-25T22:18:28Z

*we are

ProphetZarquon: Fixed formatting for 108.162.237.218's comment

2020-12-25T22:15:36Z

Fixed formatting for 108.162.237.218's comment

ProphetZarquon: Gumble + Fry reference seems intended. Vaccine only helps this time. :( Meme infection

2020-12-25T22:12:49Z

Gumble + Fry reference seems intended. Vaccine only helps this time. :( Meme infection

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 [[Special:Contributions/188.114.103.205|188.114.103.205]] 09:39, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
 :Death is usually considered inconvenient. -- [[User:Hkmaly|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly|talk]]) 05:19, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
 I'm beginning to think Randall has a <nowiki>terminal</nowiki> CASE of meme infection. It's even affecting his Regular Expressions! [[User:ProphetZarquon|ProphetZarquon]] ([[User talk:ProphetZarquon|talk]]) 22:12, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

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 :Especially since most people probably won't get it soon, we are unlikely to reach 75% vaccination at all, & even if we did, it doesn't address the wider issue of transit-amplified transmissible disease exposure in a transit-dependent society, in which overall immune health is declining due to multiple compounding factors that are non-trivial to address. A vaccine for CoViD '19 is surely called for, but it won't solve the underlying issues that created this pandemic. [[User:ProphetZarquon|ProphetZarquon]] ([[User talk:ProphetZarquon|talk]]) 22:12, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
 ::The covid vaccine also uses some novel methods which may result in faster generation of vaccines against other viruses. If the only virus-specific part of vaccine is the RNA, it means it can be transported over internet, synthesized and turned into vaccine in distributed way. It's not something actually taken advantage of yet, but maybe next time ... -- [[User:Hkmaly|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly|talk]]) 05:19, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
-:::Was this in response to what I said? Because it still doesn't address any of the broader issues I raised: Vaccines aren't a solution, they're a band-aid (& a very specific one at that). Plus the vaccine in question is necessarily highly specific; it does not confer added resistance to bird\swine flu, MRSA, ebola, or e-coli for instance. In fact, vaccination of this kind has negative health effects of its own, which although typically minor, nonetheless preclude vaccinating against everything all the time. Even accounting for varying lifestyles, US populations are categorically less healthy than we were two generations ago, & that trend will continue to worsen indefinitely so long as the environmental stressors we've been creating continue to increase exponentially. Unless we address the innate dangers posed by high transit volumes, & reduce environmental degradation of our immunological capacity, we're likely to see much worse pandemics in the near future. [[User:ProphetZarquon|ProphetZarquon]] ([[User talk:ProphetZarquon|talk]]) 18:30, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
+:::Was this in response to what I said? Because it still doesn't address any of the broader issues I raised: Vaccines aren't a solution, they're a band-aid. Plus the vaccine in question is necessarily highly specific; it does not confer added resistance to bird\swine flu, MRSA, ebola, or e-coli for instance. In fact, vaccination of this kind has negative health effects of its own, which although typically minor, nonetheless preclude vaccinating against everything all the time. Even accounting for varying lifestyles, US populations are categorically less healthy than we were two generations ago, & that trend will continue to worsen indefinitely so long as the environmental stressors we've been creating continue to increase exponentially. Unless we address the innate dangers posed by high transit volumes, & reduce environmental degradation of our immunological capacity, we're likely to see much worse pandemics in the near future. [[User:ProphetZarquon|ProphetZarquon]] ([[User talk:ProphetZarquon|talk]]) 18:30, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 I have to say, the "COVID19 may have inconvenienced some people [citation needed]" is cracking me up.

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 :Especially since most people probably won't get it soon, we are unlikely to reach 75% vaccination at all, & even if we did, it doesn't address the wider issue of transit-amplified transmissible disease exposure in a transit-dependent society, in which overall immune health is declining due to multiple compounding factors that are non-trivial to address. A vaccine for CoViD '19 is surely called for, but it won't solve the underlying issues that created this pandemic. [[User:ProphetZarquon|ProphetZarquon]] ([[User talk:ProphetZarquon|talk]]) 22:12, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
 ::The covid vaccine also uses some novel methods which may result in faster generation of vaccines against other viruses. If the only virus-specific part of vaccine is the RNA, it means it can be transported over internet, synthesized and turned into vaccine in distributed way. It's not something actually taken advantage of yet, but maybe next time ... -- [[User:Hkmaly|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly|talk]]) 05:19, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
-::Was this in response to what I said? Because it still doesn't address any of the broader issues I raised: Vaccines aren't a solution, they're a band-aid (& a very specific one at that). Plus the vaccine in question is necessarily highly specific; it does not confer added resistance to bird\swine flu, MRSA, ebola, or e-coli for instance. In fact, vaccination of this kind has negative health effects of its own, which although typically minor, nonetheless preclude vaccinating against everything all the time. Even accounting for varying lifestyles, US populations are categorically less healthy than we were two generations ago, & that trend will continue to worsen indefinitely so long as the environmental stressors we've been creating continue to increase exponentially. Unless we address the innate dangers posed by high transit volumes, & reduce environmental degradation of our immunological capacity, we're likely to see much worse pandemics in the near future. [[User:ProphetZarquon|ProphetZarquon]] ([[User talk:ProphetZarquon|talk]]) 18:30, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
+:::Was this in response to what I said? Because it still doesn't address any of the broader issues I raised: Vaccines aren't a solution, they're a band-aid (& a very specific one at that). Plus the vaccine in question is necessarily highly specific; it does not confer added resistance to bird\swine flu, MRSA, ebola, or e-coli for instance. In fact, vaccination of this kind has negative health effects of its own, which although typically minor, nonetheless preclude vaccinating against everything all the time. Even accounting for varying lifestyles, US populations are categorically less healthy than we were two generations ago, & that trend will continue to worsen indefinitely so long as the environmental stressors we've been creating continue to increase exponentially. Unless we address the innate dangers posed by high transit volumes, & reduce environmental degradation of our immunological capacity, we're likely to see much worse pandemics in the near future. [[User:ProphetZarquon|ProphetZarquon]] ([[User talk:ProphetZarquon|talk]]) 18:30, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 I have to say, the "COVID19 may have inconvenienced some people [citation needed]" is cracking me up.

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 :Especially since most people probably won't get it soon, we are unlikely to reach 75% vaccination at all, & even if we did, it doesn't address the wider issue of transit-amplified transmissible disease exposure in a transit-dependent society, in which overall immune health is declining due to multiple compounding factors that are non-trivial to address. A vaccine for CoViD '19 is surely called for, but it won't solve the underlying issues that created this pandemic. [[User:ProphetZarquon|ProphetZarquon]] ([[User talk:ProphetZarquon|talk]]) 22:12, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
 ::The covid vaccine also uses some novel methods which may result in faster generation of vaccines against other viruses. If the only virus-specific part of vaccine is the RNA, it means it can be transported over internet, synthesized and turned into vaccine in distributed way. It's not something actually taken advantage of yet, but maybe next time ... -- [[User:Hkmaly|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly|talk]]) 05:19, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
 I have to say, the "COVID19 may have inconvenienced some people [citation needed]" is cracking me up.

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 I have to say, the "COVID19 may have inconvenienced some people [citation needed]" is cracking me up.
 [[Special:Contributions/188.114.103.205|188.114.103.205]] 09:39, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
-:Dead is usually considered inconvenient. -- [[User:Hkmaly|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly|talk]]) 05:19, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
+:Death is usually considered inconvenient. -- [[User:Hkmaly|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly|talk]]) 05:19, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
 I'm beginning to think Randall has a <nowiki>terminal</nowiki> CASE of meme infection. It's even affecting his Regular Expressions! [[User:ProphetZarquon|ProphetZarquon]] ([[User talk:ProphetZarquon|talk]]) 22:12, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

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 :-- Does this need to be a reference to something? I feel like 60% of the "references" we find are just things Randal or society in general would say/think. These things are probably circulated by the bloodstream, so requesting it be directly injected into the veins could be considered as a request to skip the "extra "steps (absorbing into bloodstream), or a possibly common misconception of how this vaccine works. Definitely not a reference to Simpsons... there isn't even a slight relation other than the fact they both use words. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.237.218|108.162.237.218]]
 :I believe Randall definitely intended it as a reference to the "into my veins" meme, which is a very commonly used one, having spread far beyond viewers of early Simpsons alone. (And yes, Gumble ''is'' an addict who essentially requested 'mainlining' his drug of choice. The fact that it's alcohol doesn't make it any less a drug addiction, & while beer would no doubt cause horrific tissue damage thru intravenous injection, Gumble isn't the first 'person' to suggest an alcohol IV.) I see little reason to doubt that Cueball is riffing on both memes. Randall even went straight from one Groening show reference to another, with the Pkilip J. Fry quote. With the alt-text being a ''direct'' quotation, I believe the former reference is therefore strongly implied, if not obvious prima facie. [[User:ProphetZarquon|ProphetZarquon]] ([[User talk:ProphetZarquon|talk]]) 22:12, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
 I imagine this is poking fun at how excited everyone is about a vaccine, despite vaccines normally being pretty boring. It signals the end of a terrible pandemic, but you will just be getting a shot.  [[Special:Contributions/108.162.245.214|108.162.245.214]] 00:39, 24 December 2020 (UTC)