https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?action=history&feed=atom&title=Talk%3A2409%3A_Steepen_the_CurveTalk:2409: Steepen the Curve - Revision history2026-05-22T19:39:10ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.30.0https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:2409:_Steepen_the_Curve&diff=366869&oldid=prevMeZimm at 16:12, 25 February 20252025-02-25T16:12:47Z<p></p>
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</table>MeZimmhttps://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:2409:_Steepen_the_Curve&diff=204398&oldid=prev141.101.98.208 at 23:45, 11 January 20212021-01-11T23:45:46Z<p></p>
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</table>172.69.170.142https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:2409:_Steepen_the_Curve&diff=204386&oldid=prev162.158.79.175 at 19:49, 11 January 20212021-01-11T19:49:16Z<p></p>
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</table>162.158.79.175https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:2409:_Steepen_the_Curve&diff=204368&oldid=prev141.101.98.208 at 01:46, 11 January 20212021-01-11T01:46:03Z<p></p>
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</table>141.101.98.208https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:2409:_Steepen_the_Curve&diff=204367&oldid=prevPoisedleft at 23:58, 10 January 20212021-01-10T23:58:42Z<p></p>
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</table>Poisedlefthttps://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:2409:_Steepen_the_Curve&diff=204357&oldid=prevPoisedleft at 08:55, 10 January 20212021-01-10T08:55:40Z<p></p>
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</table>Poisedlefthttps://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:2409:_Steepen_the_Curve&diff=204356&oldid=prevPoisedleft at 08:53, 10 January 20212021-01-10T08:53:49Z<p></p>
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</table>Poisedlefthttps://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:2409:_Steepen_the_Curve&diff=204355&oldid=prevPoisedleft at 08:50, 10 January 20212021-01-10T08:50:38Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::: That sounds most correct to me: the effort was to flatten the curve of ''infections'' to prevent hospital (specifically) and other medical (generally) capacity from being overwhelmed. We'd do this by reducing the rate of infections through sanitary and safety measures. There was a lot of talk of trying to get the basic reproduction number R0 as close to 1 as possible to limit that exponential growth curve we're all so familiar with now. Transmissibility of the disease is not the same as mortality, though of course they are correlated. Preventing deaths was intended as a happy bonus effect of preventing the medical system from collapsing. I think it's worth rewording the explanation, even though the comic does use a chart of deaths rather than infections - they look very similar under a functioning medical system. --[[Special:Contributions/172.69.42.92|172.69.42.92]] 07:11, 10 January 2021 (UTC)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::: That sounds most correct to me: the effort was to flatten the curve of ''infections'' to prevent hospital (specifically) and other medical (generally) capacity from being overwhelmed. We'd do this by reducing the rate of infections through sanitary and safety measures. There was a lot of talk of trying to get the basic reproduction number R0 as close to 1 as possible to limit that exponential growth curve we're all so familiar with now. Transmissibility of the disease is not the same as mortality, though of course they are correlated. Preventing deaths was intended as a happy bonus effect of preventing the medical system from collapsing. I think it's worth rewording the explanation, even though the comic does use a chart of deaths rather than infections - they look very similar under a functioning medical system. --[[Special:Contributions/172.69.42.92|172.69.42.92]] 07:11, 10 January 2021 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>: Explainxkcd is one of my favorite things in the world.. this is my first comment. I'm hesitant to make a major edit without discussion, but I think the statement about 2nd and 3rd waves could be much, much stronger to the point of being a dangerous message to be sending right now. <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Informations about the consequences of </del>Science published a piece <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">"viral mutations may cause another ‘very, very bad’ COVID-19 wave, scientists warn </del>[https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/01/viral-mutations-may-cause-another-very-very-bad-covid-19-wave-scientists-warn Viral mutations may cause another ‘very, very bad’ COVID-19 wave, scientists warn] , read the link but contains take your pick of alarming quotes, with a conclusion of "It’s dispiriting to feel like the world is back where it was in early 2020, says epidemiologist William Hanage of the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health. “But we have to stop this virus. … Fatalism is not a nonpharmaceutical intervention.” I think this comic works against the conclusions of what seems to be a consensus of experts and that that is worth saying.. many people read xkcd. But I'm a bit unsure of the etiquette, if one exists, for saying that a comic works against the public interest. Seems like a pretty strong stance, right? I have an op-ed submitted to a big city newspaper making the opposite case - that the worse is in front of, not behind us and advocating some pretty draconian measures. The analysis of this strain is moving very quickly.. that Science paper is from three days ago, likely before the comic was published. Request help in non jerky way to express this (if at all) in the explanation. [[User:Poisedleft|Poisedleft]] ([[User talk:Poisedleft|talk]]) 08:42, 10 January 2021 (UTC)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>: Explainxkcd is one of my favorite things in the world.. this is my first comment. I'm hesitant to make a major edit without discussion, but I think the statement about 2nd and 3rd waves could be much, much stronger to the point of being a dangerous message to be sending right now. <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">About three days ago </ins>Science published a piece [https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/01/viral-mutations-may-cause-another-very-very-bad-covid-19-wave-scientists-warn <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">"</ins>Viral mutations may cause another ‘very, very bad’ COVID-19 wave, scientists warn] , read the link but contains take your pick of alarming quotes, with a conclusion of "It’s dispiriting to feel like the world is back where it was in early 2020, says epidemiologist William Hanage of the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health. “But we have to stop this virus. … Fatalism is not a nonpharmaceutical intervention.” I think this comic works against the conclusions of what seems to be a consensus of experts and that that is worth saying.. many people read xkcd. But I'm a bit unsure of the etiquette, if one exists, for saying that a comic works against the public interest. Seems like a pretty strong stance, right? I have an op-ed submitted to a big city newspaper making the opposite case - that the worse is in front of, not behind us and advocating some pretty draconian measures. The analysis of this strain is moving very quickly.. that Science paper is from three days ago, likely before the comic was published. Request help in non jerky way to express this (if at all) in the explanation. [[User:Poisedleft|Poisedleft]] ([[User talk:Poisedleft|talk]]) 08:42, 10 January 2021 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
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