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172.68.65.176 at 23:01, 14 January 2021

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 : Negatory. [[2137: Text Entry]] is one I remember. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.63.173|172.69.63.173]] 06:00, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
 ::The earliest I'm aware of is [[980: Money]] from 2011 (so before he'd held elective office). It's almost unfindable in the giant image. Trump is mentioned in the lower right corner of the "Billionaires" box, inside the very large "Billions" section. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.237.64|108.162.237.64]] 06:12, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
-::: And, of course, [[2383: Electoral Precedent 2020]].
+::: And, of course, [[2383: Electoral Precedent 2020]]. {{unsigned ip|162.158.255.214|06:16, 12 January 2021 (UTC)}}
 :I was sufficiently interested in this question to actually look it up with the search function. Turns out the transcripts are actually useful for something!
 :*[[980: Money]] is the only one from before Trump was elected President

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	I think this is the first strip to refer to Trump by name. Can anyone confirm that? [[User:Captain Video\|Captain Video]] ([[User talk:Captain Video\|talk]]) 05:32, 12 January 2021 (UTC)		I think this is the first strip to refer to Trump by name. Can anyone confirm that? [[User:Captain Video\|Captain Video]] ([[User talk:Captain Video\|talk]]) 05:32, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

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 Anyone else notice the veiled reference to Apple (iPhone manufacturer)?[[Special:Contributions/172.68.132.69|172.68.132.69]] 20:46, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
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 When you add or remove from this explanation, please keep your political biases out of this. This is a webcomic explanation page, not a political discussion forum. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.107.219|162.158.107.219]]
 Is it wrong to say that it was a small percentage of actual supporters that attended?  I think in the interest of being impartial we should include more facts, not less. [[Special:Contributions/172.68.132.69|172.68.132.69]] 20:39, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

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 Is it really a good idea to take the lack of masks on the spokesfolks as evidence of their mental state? It seems to me that Randall often draws characters without masks when they're not directly topical, even in these days of Covid precautions, and the reporters aren't wearing masks either. It's unlikely that either group is made up entirely of family members who share the same residence [citation needed], so I would count it more likely that they can all be assumed to be masked in the same way that they can be assumed to have eyes and mouths despite lack of any visual indicators of such. --[[Special:Contributions/108.162.245.216|108.162.245.216]] 07:48, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
-:Do remember that they also has no close on, so unless the masks are important for the topic, then you can assume they have masks just as you can assume they have clothe on. (Or if you like, you can assume Megan and Ponytail doesn't, as I always do :-p ) --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 10:04, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
+:Do remember that they also have no clothes on, so unless the masks are important for the topic, then you can assume they have masks just as you can assume they have clothes on. (Or if you like, you can assume Megan and Ponytail don't, as I always do :-p ) --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 10:04, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
 ::Specifically they don't have faces so...  rja.carnegie@excite.com [[Special:Contributions/162.158.155.42|162.158.155.42]] 10:46, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
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 Does anybody agree that "Uh, apples are great. Best fruit. Everyone should buy 1,000 of them" is a reference to Trump-style way of talking in speeches? [[User:Reisbein|Reisbein]] ([[User talk:Reisbein|talk]]) 08:31, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
 :Yes already added this to the explanation. --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 10:04, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
 May I question that "Nothing in modern American history resembles this"?  Possibly nothing in the national Capitol's modern history resembles this precisely, but the Capitol in Michigan was invaded last May, Tennessee had an incident of this kind in 2001 while trying to debate state income tax, and there was that thing at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, in Oregon.  And there was Black rioting in Washington and in most other places and machine guns at the Capitol when Dr Martin Luther King was murdered, does that count as modern?  And President Reagan was shot in Washington.  Presidents and the White House are shot at all the time.  The President's personal militia attacking other branches of the government is less usual, or is it?  Robert Carnegie rja.carnegie@excite.com [[Special:Contributions/141.101.107.82|141.101.107.82]] 12:01, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

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 May I question that "Nothing in modern American history resembles this"?  Possibly nothing in the national Capitol's modern history resembles this precisely, but the Capitol in Michigan was invaded last May, Tennessee had an incident of this kind in 2001 while trying to debate state income tax, and there was that thing at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, in Oregon.  And there was Black rioting in Washington and in most other places and machine guns at the Capitol when Dr Martin Luther King was murdered, does that count as modern?  And President Reagan was shot in Washington.  Presidents and the White House are shot at all the time.  The President's personal militia attacking other branches of the government is less usual, or is it?  Robert Carnegie rja.carnegie@excite.com [[Special:Contributions/141.101.107.82|141.101.107.82]] 12:01, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
-:In the sense of '' an attempt to overturn fair election results and prevent the orderly transition of power by attacking the Capitol,'' yes. It's not the "important buildings were attacked/threatened" part, it's the context and meaning behind the actions that's unprecedented. The incident was an unprecedented attack on democracy—it has been described by some as ''an attempted coup d'état in the United States'', and a lot of congressmen and House members, plus the Vice President were close to being seriously harmed/killed during the incident. [[User:Herobrine|Herobrine]] ([[User talk:Herobrine|talk]]) 14:19, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
+:In the sense of '' an attempt to overturn fair election results and prevent the orderly transition of power by attacking the Capitol,'' yes. It's not the "important buildings were attacked/threatened" part, it's the context and meaning behind the actions that's unprecedented. The incident was an unprecedented attack on democracy—it has been described by some as ''an attempted coup d'état in the United States'', and a lot of congressmen and House members, [https://www.newsweek.com/proud-boys-intended-kill-mike-pence-nancy-pelosi-fbi-witness-says-1562062 plus the Vice President] were close to being seriously harmed/killed during the incident. [[User:Herobrine|Herobrine]] ([[User talk:Herobrine|talk]]) 14:19, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
 ::: I take issue both with your description, Herobrine, and the fact that in some circles, this wasn't looked at as a coup attempt at all, but as an attempt to PROTECT democracy from treasonous congressmen and house members.  But I do have a question for you.  Exactly what words did the president use in his speech on January 6 to "incite a riot"?  Please use direct quotes in your answer.[[User:Seebert|Seebert]] ([[User talk:Seebert|talk]]) 14:29, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
-::::Went through the transcript of the speech and noted that I misunderstood one section that my statement was based on when I read it two days ago. Whether he was responsible for inciting the event is debatable, but since there is no definite statement in the transcript, I have removed the section from my comment and the explanation. As for the coup attempt part, give me a sec and I'll reply later. [[User:Herobrine|Herobrine]] ([[User talk:Herobrine|talk]]) 14:41, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
+::::Went through the transcript of the speech and noted that I misunderstood one section that my statement was based on when I read it two days ago. Whether he was responsible for inciting the event [https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/10/us/trump-speech-riot.html depends on how you interpret his remarks,] but since there is no definite statement in the transcript, I have removed the section from my comment and the explanation. As for the coup attempt part, give me a sec and I'll reply later. [[User:Herobrine|Herobrine]] ([[User talk:Herobrine|talk]]) 14:41, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
-::::Changed to "described by some as (lawmakers,  media, etc.)" to avoid misunderstanding. But honestly, I do not think that this was an attempt to protect democracy—I think that they were trying to overturn a fair election and prevent the orderly transition of power. [[User:Herobrine|Herobrine]] ([[User talk:Herobrine|talk]]) 14:47, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
+::::Changed to "described by some as (lawmakers,  media, etc.)" to avoid misunderstanding. But honestly, I do not think this was an attempt to protect democracy—I think that they were trying to overturn a fair election and prevent the orderly transition of power. [[User:Herobrine|Herobrine]] ([[User talk:Herobrine|talk]]) 14:47, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
 :::::The election results are disputed, and around 75% of Republicans and 20% of Democrats are willing to start a civil war over it.  In what way can this be considered a fair election if all audits of the voter registration are blocked?[[User:Seebert|Seebert]] ([[User talk:Seebert|talk]]) 14:55, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
 ::::::Claims of election fraud have been rejected as totally meritless by numerous state and federal judges, state and local election officials, governors, the Justice and Homeland Security departments, and the Electoral College. I do not see how this the election was unfair. As for the "results are disputed" part, that is primarily the result of the president's efforts to overturn the results of the election and unwillingness to concede and admit his loss. Also, please reply with your quotes and sources, thanks. (Will reply again in a few hours, busy now) [[User:Herobrine|Herobrine]] ([[User talk:Herobrine|talk]]) 15:10, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

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 ::: I think the explanation is hilarious. To me, this strip is about everyone having abandoned doing what they are supposed to know how to do and instead wasting everyone's time sharing their opinion on the subject that is neither their expertise nor purview. The audience's clear disinterest in apple growers' opinion about Trump is conveyed by "Do you have any apple-related announcements at all?" remark. The current explanation just needs a similar remark along the lines of "Do you have anything xkcd-related at all?" to underscore the irony lest someone takes it seriously, and it will be perfect :) [[Special:Contributions/141.101.69.113|141.101.69.113]] 18:31, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
 ::::Well, I deleted a lot of the article that was filled with useless information irrelevant to the actual comic. Feel free to add more if you want.[[Special:Contributions/108.162.245.82|108.162.245.82]]
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