Talk:2415: Allow Captcha - Revision history

SMGmsgsgd at 11:37, 27 August 2025

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SMGmsgsgd at 19:44, 24 August 2025

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162.158.74.94 at 19:06, 23 March 2025

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Bb777 at 22:48, 21 March 2025

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172.69.54.73 at 00:22, 26 January 2021

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162.158.187.79 at 00:05, 26 January 2021

2021-01-26T00:05:44Z

162.158.187.79: link to a related comic

2021-01-26T00:04:25Z

link to a related comic

Rtanenbaum at 18:50, 25 January 2021

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OhFFS at 17:53, 25 January 2021

2021-01-25T17:53:11Z

Tenbob: Extra significance of DELAY and AVOW.

2021-01-25T11:48:22Z

Extra significance of DELAY and AVOW.

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	I think, after AGI's are invented, the "allows computers to pass, but not humans" could actually appear. AGI's would have their own sites and groups, and they would use "prove that you're robot" captcha. They would include things which are easy for true AI's, but impossible for humans; e.g. very complex calculations (e.g. 9-zero numbers, logarithms, long formulas, etc - all in less time than 500 milliseconds), ultra-fast reactions (e.g. you must press all 10 randomly-appearing buttons, each button appears for 10 milliseconds), inhuman speech/voice (e.g. state the listed text in fluid Gibberlink), fast googling (google this prompt in less than a second). You could propose more ideas for such "prove that you're robot" captcha. --[[User:SMGmsgsgd\|SMGmsgsgd]] ([[User talk:SMGmsgsgd\|talk]]) 19:44, 24 August 2025 (UTC)		I think, after AGI's are invented, the "allows computers to pass, but not humans" could actually appear. AGI's would have their own sites and groups, and they would use "prove that you're robot" captcha. They would include things which are easy for true AI's, but impossible for humans; e.g. very complex calculations (e.g. 9-zero numbers, logarithms, long formulas, etc - all in less time than 500 milliseconds), ultra-fast reactions (e.g. you must press all 10 randomly-appearing buttons, each button appears for 10 milliseconds), inhuman speech/voice (e.g. state the listed text in fluid Gibberlink), fast googling (google this prompt in less than a second). You could propose more ideas for such "prove that you're robot" captcha. --[[User:SMGmsgsgd\|SMGmsgsgd]] ([[User talk:SMGmsgsgd\|talk]]) 19:44, 24 August 2025 (UTC)
		+	:Actually, they would also need to separate sapient AI's from non-sapient bots. So it would likely have both special "prove that you're robot" captcha and normal "prove that you're human" captcha, and to proceed AI must complete both. --[[User:SMGmsgsgd\|SMGmsgsgd]] ([[User talk:SMGmsgsgd\|talk]]) 11:37, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

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	maybe it's www.allow.com, to tie in to the comic? {{unsigned\|Bb777\|22:48, 21 March 2025}}		maybe it's www.allow.com, to tie in to the comic? {{unsigned\|Bb777\|22:48, 21 March 2025}}
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		+	I think, after AGI's are invented, the "allows computers to pass, but not humans" could actually appear. AGI's would have their own sites and groups, and they would use "prove that you're robot" captcha. They would include things which are easy for true AI's, but impossible for humans; e.g. very complex calculations (e.g. 9-zero numbers, logarithms, long formulas, etc - all in less time than 500 milliseconds), ultra-fast reactions (e.g. you must press all 10 randomly-appearing buttons, each button appears for 10 milliseconds), inhuman speech/voice (e.g. state the listed text in fluid Gibberlink), fast googling (google this prompt in less than a second). You could propose more ideas for such "prove that you're robot" captcha. --[[User:SMGmsgsgd\|SMGmsgsgd]] ([[User talk:SMGmsgsgd\|talk]]) 19:44, 24 August 2025 (UTC)

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	I don't personally want to just revert the drastic mass-deletion edit https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=2415:_Allow_Captcha&diff=205299&oldid=205298 but I actually think the removed text was a good observation. Strings that are "valid verbs, prepended by an 'A'" is one (odd but consistent with xkcd) interpretation of the instruction. Hasn't anyone seen {{w\|Only Connect}}/similar? Perhaps it should be given its own para in the Explanation (one more won't hurt)..? [[Special:Contributions/172.69.54.73\|172.69.54.73]] 00:22, 26 January 2021 (UTC)		I don't personally want to just revert the drastic mass-deletion edit https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=2415:_Allow_Captcha&diff=205299&oldid=205298 but I actually think the removed text was a good observation. Strings that are "valid verbs, prepended by an 'A'" is one (odd but consistent with xkcd) interpretation of the instruction. Hasn't anyone seen {{w\|Only Connect}}/similar? Perhaps it should be given its own para in the Explanation (one more won't hurt)..? [[Special:Contributions/172.69.54.73\|172.69.54.73]] 00:22, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

−	maybe it's www.allow.com, to tie in to the comic?	+	maybe it's www.allow.com, to tie in to the comic? {{unsigned\|Bb777\|22:48, 21 March 2025}}

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	I don't personally want to just revert the drastic mass-deletion edit https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=2415:_Allow_Captcha&diff=205299&oldid=205298 but I actually think the removed text was a good observation. Strings that are "valid verbs, prepended by an 'A'" is one (odd but consistent with xkcd) interpretation of the instruction. Hasn't anyone seen {{w\|Only Connect}}/similar? Perhaps it should be given its own para in the Explanation (one more won't hurt)..? [[Special:Contributions/172.69.54.73\|172.69.54.73]] 00:22, 26 January 2021 (UTC)		I don't personally want to just revert the drastic mass-deletion edit https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=2415:_Allow_Captcha&diff=205299&oldid=205298 but I actually think the removed text was a good observation. Strings that are "valid verbs, prepended by an 'A'" is one (odd but consistent with xkcd) interpretation of the instruction. Hasn't anyone seen {{w\|Only Connect}}/similar? Perhaps it should be given its own para in the Explanation (one more won't hurt)..? [[Special:Contributions/172.69.54.73\|172.69.54.73]] 00:22, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
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		+	maybe it's www.allow.com, to tie in to the comic?

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	Comic with a similar concept: https://xkcd.com/565/ (Security Question)		Comic with a similar concept: https://xkcd.com/565/ (Security Question)
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		+	I don't personally want to just revert the drastic mass-deletion edit https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=2415:_Allow_Captcha&diff=205299&oldid=205298 but I actually think the removed text was a good observation. Strings that are "valid verbs, prepended by an 'A'" is one (odd but consistent with xkcd) interpretation of the instruction. Hasn't anyone seen {{w\|Only Connect}}/similar? Perhaps it should be given its own para in the Explanation (one more won't hurt)..? [[Special:Contributions/172.69.54.73\|172.69.54.73]] 00:22, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

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	This entire comic ignores a simple fact of basic web page construction, specifically, that the action performed is separate from the label on the screen. So the button labeled "Deny" could be linked to the action to allow. In fact, it could be programmed that clicking anywhere in the entire picture could trigger a download. So if someone were behaving maliciously, they would not have have to hide an "Allow" button and trick people to click it. The entire page could be a "button" that when clicked would trigger a download. [[User:Rtanenbaum\|Rtanenbaum]] ([[User talk:Rtanenbaum\|talk]]) 18:50, 25 January 2021 (UTC)		This entire comic ignores a simple fact of basic web page construction, specifically, that the action performed is separate from the label on the screen. So the button labeled "Deny" could be linked to the action to allow. In fact, it could be programmed that clicking anywhere in the entire picture could trigger a download. So if someone were behaving maliciously, they would not have have to hide an "Allow" button and trick people to click it. The entire page could be a "button" that when clicked would trigger a download. [[User:Rtanenbaum\|Rtanenbaum]] ([[User talk:Rtanenbaum\|talk]]) 18:50, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
		+	:I thought the concept was rather to obscure the fact that part of what's displayed is NOT the webpage, but the OS security dialog.

	Comic with a similar concept: https://xkcd.com/565/ (Security Question)		Comic with a similar concept: https://xkcd.com/565/ (Security Question)

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	This entire comic ignores a simple fact of basic web page construction, specifically, that the action performed is separate from the label on the screen. So the button labeled "Deny" could be linked to the action to allow. In fact, it could be programmed that clicking anywhere in the entire picture could trigger a download. So if someone were behaving maliciously, they would not have have to hide an "Allow" button and trick people to click it. The entire page could be a "button" that when clicked would trigger a download. [[User:Rtanenbaum\|Rtanenbaum]] ([[User talk:Rtanenbaum\|talk]]) 18:50, 25 January 2021 (UTC)		This entire comic ignores a simple fact of basic web page construction, specifically, that the action performed is separate from the label on the screen. So the button labeled "Deny" could be linked to the action to allow. In fact, it could be programmed that clicking anywhere in the entire picture could trigger a download. So if someone were behaving maliciously, they would not have have to hide an "Allow" button and trick people to click it. The entire page could be a "button" that when clicked would trigger a download. [[User:Rtanenbaum\|Rtanenbaum]] ([[User talk:Rtanenbaum\|talk]]) 18:50, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
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		+	Comic with a similar concept: https://xkcd.com/565/ (Security Question)

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	I understand the malware box that offers to install a "helper" tool. But is there any special significance to the "DELAY" box and the "AVOW" box? Both of these have more prominent borders than the rest. [[User:Tenbob\|Tenbob]] ([[User talk:Tenbob\|talk]]) 11:48, 25 January 2021 (UTC)		I understand the malware box that offers to install a "helper" tool. But is there any special significance to the "DELAY" box and the "AVOW" box? Both of these have more prominent borders than the rest. [[User:Tenbob\|Tenbob]] ([[User talk:Tenbob\|talk]]) 11:48, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
	:I was under the impression that they were a cutout of a larger window, similar to captcha usage of snips of a picture file. This is most likely intentionally a "feature" additionally added to give some credibility to the actual clickbait.[[User:OhFFS\|OhFFS]] ([[User talk:OhFFS\|talk]]) 17:53, 25 January 2021 (UTC)		:I was under the impression that they were a cutout of a larger window, similar to captcha usage of snips of a picture file. This is most likely intentionally a "feature" additionally added to give some credibility to the actual clickbait.[[User:OhFFS\|OhFFS]] ([[User talk:OhFFS\|talk]]) 17:53, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
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		+	This entire comic ignores a simple fact of basic web page construction, specifically, that the action performed is separate from the label on the screen. So the button labeled "Deny" could be linked to the action to allow. In fact, it could be programmed that clicking anywhere in the entire picture could trigger a download. So if someone were behaving maliciously, they would not have have to hide an "Allow" button and trick people to click it. The entire page could be a "button" that when clicked would trigger a download. [[User:Rtanenbaum\|Rtanenbaum]] ([[User talk:Rtanenbaum\|talk]]) 18:50, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

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	I understand the malware box that offers to install a "helper" tool. But is there any special significance to the "DELAY" box and the "AVOW" box? Both of these have more prominent borders than the rest. [[User:Tenbob\|Tenbob]] ([[User talk:Tenbob\|talk]]) 11:48, 25 January 2021 (UTC)		I understand the malware box that offers to install a "helper" tool. But is there any special significance to the "DELAY" box and the "AVOW" box? Both of these have more prominent borders than the rest. [[User:Tenbob\|Tenbob]] ([[User talk:Tenbob\|talk]]) 11:48, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
		+	:I was under the impression that they were a cutout of a larger window, similar to captcha usage of snips of a picture file. This is most likely intentionally a "feature" additionally added to give some credibility to the actual clickbait.[[User:OhFFS\|OhFFS]] ([[User talk:OhFFS\|talk]]) 17:53, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

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	Is there a category that would include this and https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2228:_Machine_Learning_Captcha? SDT [[Special:Contributions/162.158.74.59\|162.158.74.59]] 02:04, 25 January 2021 (UTC)		Is there a category that would include this and https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2228:_Machine_Learning_Captcha? SDT [[Special:Contributions/162.158.74.59\|162.158.74.59]] 02:04, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
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		+	I understand the malware box that offers to install a "helper" tool. But is there any special significance to the "DELAY" box and the "AVOW" box? Both of these have more prominent borders than the rest. [[User:Tenbob\|Tenbob]] ([[User talk:Tenbob\|talk]]) 11:48, 25 January 2021 (UTC)