Talk:2439: Solar System Cartogram - Revision history

172.70.35.17 at 14:14, 24 March 2021

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Hkmaly at 03:10, 24 March 2021

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DKMell: added some discussion about dots/points and the Neptune:Pluto orbital resonance

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added some discussion about dots/points and the Neptune:Pluto orbital resonance

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172.68.189.107 at 13:47, 23 March 2021

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Bischoff at 08:25, 23 March 2021

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These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For: Added question

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Added question

SDSpivey at 19:26, 22 March 2021

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Cwallenpoole: Pondering

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Pondering

172.68.57.40 at 17:36, 22 March 2021

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 :::::: But Neptune hasn't cleared its neighborhood either, Pluto crosses Neptune's path.
 ::::::: Does the massive amount of space junk orbiting The Earth count as "not clearing the neighborhood", thereby denying it planet status? [[User:These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For|These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For]] ([[User talk:These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For|talk]]) 02:22, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
 ::::::: Pluto is in 3:2 resonance with Neptune [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbital_resonance], so its orbit derives from Neptune's. [[User:DKMell|DKMell]] ([[User talk:DKMell|talk]]) 18:31, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

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 :::Yes, interesting in the "ancient Chinese curse" way: despite most of solar system being empty, you would need to be VERY careful to fit even single planet inside without risking collision. -- [[User:Hkmaly|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly|talk]]) 04:31, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
 ::::We'll never know for sure without trying, right? ;p [[Special:Contributions/141.101.98.22|141.101.98.22]] 22:34, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
+:::::Oh, I'm sure with the price of real estate in solar system going up, someone is going to try sooner or later. -- [[User:Hkmaly|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly|talk]]) 03:10, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
 Surprised no one has gotten technical and talked about how Earth is not drawn to be 7.8 billion times larger than the others (which would be around 300,000px wide) , meaning it's still off the same way other depictions tend to be. [[User:Trlkly|Trlkly]] ([[User talk:Trlkly|talk]]) 05:51, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
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 :Well there is no evidence of any lifeforms in the solar system beyond Earth. It talks about Persons in the title text, thus it needs to be intelligent to have that label. And thus animals would not count. So until we have evidence of aliens on the other planets, or until we inhabit them, their population would be zero. --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 09:31, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
 ::Remember, "intelligent" = capable of mass producing extinction level weapons, and stupid enough that they know they will push the button one day.[[Special:Contributions/108.162.237.174|108.162.237.174]] 00:52, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
+:At this point, Martians would need to be very actively hiding to not be discovered. However, yeah, there are definitely places in solar system where whole civilization could be thriving without being found by us, and Jupiter would definitely be one of them. -- [[User:Hkmaly|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly|talk]]) 03:10, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
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 ::::::: That is actually the discussion I was thinking of.  OP says what it ISN'T, but never really defines what it is. [[Special:Contributions/172.68.57.40|172.68.57.40]] 17:36, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
 :::::: But Neptune hasn't cleared its neighborhood either, Pluto crosses Neptune's path.
-:::::::: Does the massive amount of space junk orbiting The Earth count as "not clearing the neighborhood", thereby denying it planet status? [[User:These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For|These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For]] ([[User talk:These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For|talk]]) 02:22, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
+::::::: Does the massive amount of space junk orbiting The Earth count as "not clearing the neighborhood", thereby denying it planet status? [[User:These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For|These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For]] ([[User talk:These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For|talk]]) 02:22, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
 What about exoplanets? [[User:Wilh3lm|Wilh3lm]] ([[User talk:Wilh3lm|talk]]) 20:49, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
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 Surprised no one has gotten technical and talked about how Earth is not drawn to be 7.8 billion times larger than the others (which would be around 300,000px wide) , meaning it's still off the same way other depictions tend to be. [[User:Trlkly|Trlkly]] ([[User talk:Trlkly|talk]]) 05:51, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
 :Maybe it's a logarithmic cartogram. Log scales are generally needed when differences in sizes are so vast. [[User:Barmar|Barmar]] ([[User talk:Barmar|talk]]) 06:01, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
-::The dots are dimensionless, thus have zero size according to  their population. Only exception is Mars, but with two it would still almost be zero size and thus just a dot. --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 09:31, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
+::The dots are dimensionless, thus have zero size according to their population. Only exception is Mars, but with two it would still almost be zero size and thus just a dot. --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 09:31, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
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-Does anyone else find it strange that the title text explicitly states "although that's not enough to make Mars more than a dot." It seems in keeping with XKCD humor just to leave it at "For sentimental reasons, every active Mars rover is counted as one person." and leave the reader to consider if that had any appreciable impact on the size it was drawn at. Perhaps it truly was only a sentimental gesture, and the point of the title text is simply to express his sadness that it didn't alter the size he was able to draw Mars at. --[[Special:Contributions/172.69.22.36|172.69.22.36]] 14:27, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
+Does anyone else find it strange that the title text explicitly states "although that's not enough to make Mars more than a dot." It seems in keeping with XKCD humor just to leave it at "For sentimental reasons, every active Mars rover is counted as one person" and leave the reader to consider if that had any appreciable impact on the size it was drawn at. Perhaps it truly was only a sentimental gesture, and the point of the title text is simply to express his sadness that it didn't alter the size he was able to draw Mars at. --[[Special:Contributions/172.69.22.36|172.69.22.36]] 14:27, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
 Is anyone else pondering what he knows that we don't that mandate the planets even get a dot? What populations beside rovers get them represented at all? oh and do populations of moons get neglected or added to the total of their barycenter (which is usually inside and thus named after a planet)? [[Special:Contributions/172.68.143.76|172.68.143.76]] 19:16, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
 : I think so, Brain, but where are we going to find rubber pants in our size? [[User:Cwallenpoole|Cwallenpoole]] ([[User talk:Cwallenpoole|talk]]) 18:00, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
 But [https://xkcd.com/482/] shows that there is life on moons of Jupiter and Saturn! So those dots need to be larger. --[[Special:Contributions/172.68.37.44|172.68.37.44]] 15:18, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

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 How do we know, that the "graph also ignores the International Space Station"? Maybe its crew just counts towards earth’s population, since that’s the planet it’s orbiting. [[User:Bischoff|Bischoff]] ([[User talk:Bischoff|talk]]) 08:25, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
-::That was my thought as well, especially since in astronomical terms the ISS is incredibly close to earth. To quote the hover text from strip 1074: "[I]f the earth were a basketball, in 40 years no human's been more than half an inch from the surface." In contrast, the moon would be ~24 feet away at that scale.
+:That was my thought as well, especially since in astronomical terms the ISS is incredibly close to earth. To quote the hover text from strip 1074: "[I]f the earth were a basketball, in 40 years no human's been more than half an inch from the surface." In contrast, the moon would be ~24 feet away at that scale.[[Special:Contributions/172.68.189.233|172.68.189.233]] 13:54, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
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	How do we know, that the "graph also ignores the International Space Station"? Maybe its crew just counts towards earth’s population, since that’s the planet it’s orbiting. [[User:Bischoff\|Bischoff]] ([[User talk:Bischoff\|talk]]) 08:25, 23 March 2021 (UTC)		How do we know, that the "graph also ignores the International Space Station"? Maybe its crew just counts towards earth’s population, since that’s the planet it’s orbiting. [[User:Bischoff\|Bischoff]] ([[User talk:Bischoff\|talk]]) 08:25, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
		+	::That was my thought as well, especially since in astronomical terms the ISS is incredibly close to earth. To quote the hover text from strip 1074: "[I]f the earth were a basketball, in 40 years no human's been more than half an inch from the surface." In contrast, the moon would be ~24 feet away at that scale.

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		+	How do we know, that the "graph also ignores the International Space Station"? Maybe its crew just counts towards earth’s population, since that’s the planet it’s orbiting. [[User:Bischoff\|Bischoff]] ([[User talk:Bischoff\|talk]]) 08:25, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

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 :::::: There's no need of a precise definition. [https://www.quora.com/According-to-the-IAU-definition-how-big-is-Plutos-neighborhood-If-it-were-scaled-to-the-same-size-as-Mercurys-neighborhood-would-Pluto-then-be-a-planet/answer/Milan-Minic-2] The difference between a planet and a dwarf planet in terms of cleaning their neighborhood is like comparing a pebble to a mountain, they simply belong to different classes. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.89.145|162.158.89.145]] 20:28, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
 ::::::: That is actually the discussion I was thinking of.  OP says what it ISN'T, but never really defines what it is. [[Special:Contributions/172.68.57.40|172.68.57.40]] 17:36, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
 What about exoplanets? [[User:Wilh3lm|Wilh3lm]] ([[User talk:Wilh3lm|talk]]) 20:49, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
 :They're not in our solar system. <span style="font-family:serif">[[User:Bubblegum|<span style="color:#00BFFF">bubblegum</span>]]-[[User_talk:Bubblegum|<span style="color:#BF7FFF">talk</span>]]|[[Special:Contributions/Bubblegum|<span style="color:#FF7FFF">contribs</span>]]</span> <span style="font-family:serif">20:57, 19 March 2021 (UTC)</span>

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	Is anyone else pondering what he knows that we don't that mandate the planets even get a dot? What populations beside rovers get them represented at all? oh and do populations of moons get neglected or added to the total of their barycenter (which is usually inside and thus named after a planet)? [[Special:Contributions/172.68.143.76\|172.68.143.76]] 19:16, 21 March 2021 (UTC)		Is anyone else pondering what he knows that we don't that mandate the planets even get a dot? What populations beside rovers get them represented at all? oh and do populations of moons get neglected or added to the total of their barycenter (which is usually inside and thus named after a planet)? [[Special:Contributions/172.68.143.76\|172.68.143.76]] 19:16, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
		+	: I think so, Brain, but where are we going to find rubber pants in our size? [[User:Cwallenpoole\|Cwallenpoole]] ([[User talk:Cwallenpoole\|talk]]) 18:00, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

	But [https://xkcd.com/482/] shows that there is life on moons of Jupiter and Saturn! So those dots need to be larger. --[[Special:Contributions/172.68.37.44\|172.68.37.44]] 15:18, 22 March 2021 (UTC)		But [https://xkcd.com/482/] shows that there is life on moons of Jupiter and Saturn! So those dots need to be larger. --[[Special:Contributions/172.68.37.44\|172.68.37.44]] 15:18, 22 March 2021 (UTC)