Talk:2518: Lumpers and Splitters - Revision history

108.162.221.209 at 12:21, 22 September 2021

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Arcorann at 15:24, 21 September 2021

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172.70.110.227: cueball is already a metasplitter

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cueball is already a metasplitter

Jeremyp at 10:18, 21 September 2021

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Jeremyp at 10:18, 21 September 2021

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172.70.134.131 at 08:47, 21 September 2021

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162.158.88.5 at 06:37, 21 September 2021

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172.70.114.75 at 00:19, 21 September 2021

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	Probably a good idea to link {{w\|Lumpers and splitters\|the Wikipedia article on lumpers and splitters}} somewhere. Intro could probably be expanded. [[User:Arcorann\|Arcorann]] ([[User talk:Arcorann\|talk]]) 15:24, 21 September 2021 (UTC)		Probably a good idea to link {{w\|Lumpers and splitters\|the Wikipedia article on lumpers and splitters}} somewhere. Intro could probably be expanded. [[User:Arcorann\|Arcorann]] ([[User talk:Arcorann\|talk]]) 15:24, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
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		+	Dear IP address 108.162.219.157. HOW DARE YOU remove fat from the incomplete tag![[Special:Contributions/108.162.221.209\|108.162.221.209]] 12:21, 22 September 2021 (UTC)BUmpf

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	Explanation says cueball would be a metasplitter if he further splits his own group of splitters. But I'd say splitting lumpers in to a meta-group already qualifies him as a meta-splitter. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.110.227\|172.70.110.227]] 13:13, 21 September 2021 (UTC)		Explanation says cueball would be a metasplitter if he further splits his own group of splitters. But I'd say splitting lumpers in to a meta-group already qualifies him as a meta-splitter. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.110.227\|172.70.110.227]] 13:13, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
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		+	Probably a good idea to link {{w\|Lumpers and splitters\|the Wikipedia article on lumpers and splitters}} somewhere. Intro could probably be expanded. [[User:Arcorann\|Arcorann]] ([[User talk:Arcorann\|talk]]) 15:24, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

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	: "Splitter" in Life of Brian is used in the sense of "traitor" or somebody who creates a schism. In context, it is definitely pejorative. "Splitter" her is somebody who likes to take a category and make it into several smaller categories. [[User:Jeremyp\|Jeremyp]] ([[User talk:Jeremyp\|talk]]) 10:18, 21 September 2021 (UTC)		: "Splitter" in Life of Brian is used in the sense of "traitor" or somebody who creates a schism. In context, it is definitely pejorative. "Splitter" her is somebody who likes to take a category and make it into several smaller categories. [[User:Jeremyp\|Jeremyp]] ([[User talk:Jeremyp\|talk]]) 10:18, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
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		+	Explanation says cueball would be a metasplitter if he further splits his own group of splitters. But I'd say splitting lumpers in to a meta-group already qualifies him as a meta-splitter. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.110.227\|172.70.110.227]] 13:13, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

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 :That said, I'd say LoB's "Splitter" is applied upon someone who allegedly splits ''themselves'' off from the (otherwise) common group of the person flinging the term around, rather than something someone could classify anyone (including themself) based upon how they treat memberships in general (with or without personal involvement). As such, I would say that a Judean 'splitter' is a different creature from an xkcdean one. I don't think by saying this I would significantly become a splitter in the former sense, unless I had significant opinion otherwise from which I was differentiating, but I would in the latter.
 :I'll also happily label myself with the second (indeed, now even unto the meta- level; if not N-meta- by dint of this potentially recursive aside!) but it would be entirely up to others to argue my status in the first sense. Never mind that I, too, have never heard of a 'lumper' in this sense (nor the counterpart usage of 'splitter'). I understand the terms - holism vs reductionism, in part..? - but this is the first time I've been exposed to the term. Immediately got the joke, though. Or at least thought I did. ;) [[Special:Contributions/172.70.134.131|172.70.134.131]] 08:47, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 : "Splitter" in Life of Brian is used in the sense of "traitor" or somebody who creates a schism. In context, it is definitely pejorative. "Splitter" her is somebody who likes to take a category and make it into several smaller categories.

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	:That said, I'd say LoB's "Splitter" is applied upon someone who allegedly splits ''themselves'' off from the (otherwise) common group of the person flinging the term around, rather than something someone could classify anyone (including themself) based upon how they treat memberships in general (with or without personal involvement). As such, I would say that a Judean 'splitter' is a different creature from an xkcdean one. I don't think by saying this I would significantly become a splitter in the former sense, unless I had significant opinion otherwise from which I was differentiating, but I would in the latter.		:That said, I'd say LoB's "Splitter" is applied upon someone who allegedly splits ''themselves'' off from the (otherwise) common group of the person flinging the term around, rather than something someone could classify anyone (including themself) based upon how they treat memberships in general (with or without personal involvement). As such, I would say that a Judean 'splitter' is a different creature from an xkcdean one. I don't think by saying this I would significantly become a splitter in the former sense, unless I had significant opinion otherwise from which I was differentiating, but I would in the latter.
	:I'll also happily label myself with the second (indeed, now even unto the meta- level; if not N-meta- by dint of this potentially recursive aside!) but it would be entirely up to others to argue my status in the first sense. Never mind that I, too, have never heard of a 'lumper' in this sense (nor the counterpart usage of 'splitter'). I understand the terms - holism vs reductionism, in part..? - but this is the first time I've been exposed to the term. Immediately got the joke, though. Or at least thought I did. ;) [[Special:Contributions/172.70.134.131\|172.70.134.131]] 08:47, 21 September 2021 (UTC)		:I'll also happily label myself with the second (indeed, now even unto the meta- level; if not N-meta- by dint of this potentially recursive aside!) but it would be entirely up to others to argue my status in the first sense. Never mind that I, too, have never heard of a 'lumper' in this sense (nor the counterpart usage of 'splitter'). I understand the terms - holism vs reductionism, in part..? - but this is the first time I've been exposed to the term. Immediately got the joke, though. Or at least thought I did. ;) [[Special:Contributions/172.70.134.131\|172.70.134.131]] 08:47, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
		+	: "Splitter" in Life of Brian is used in the sense of "traitor" or somebody who creates a schism. In context, it is definitely pejorative. "Splitter" her is somebody who likes to take a category and make it into several smaller categories.

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	I've been a lurker here for many years but I've never edited, so I don't know what's appropriate. Is it notable that the term "splitter" is used in the same sense in the movie "Monty Python's Life of Brian"? Maybe not, but if so, it would say something like "A notable use of the term splitter is in [LoB] when the 'People's Party of Judea' is used to satirize contemporary (1970s) factional communist parties." I've never heard the term lumper before this comic.[[Special:Contributions/172.68.133.139\|172.68.133.139]] 03:14, 21 September 2021 (UTC)		I've been a lurker here for many years but I've never edited, so I don't know what's appropriate. Is it notable that the term "splitter" is used in the same sense in the movie "Monty Python's Life of Brian"? Maybe not, but if so, it would say something like "A notable use of the term splitter is in [LoB] when the 'People's Party of Judea' is used to satirize contemporary (1970s) factional communist parties." I've never heard the term lumper before this comic.[[Special:Contributions/172.68.133.139\|172.68.133.139]] 03:14, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
		+	:I say that if you think it should be in there, Explain away in your own words. (The only firm advice I have for editing is to learn the difference between a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Link generic link] and an {{w\|Link\|interwiki link}} and do the latter wherever appropriate, because too many times the messier first type gets needlessly used.)
		+	:That said, I'd say LoB's "Splitter" is applied upon someone who allegedly splits ''themselves'' off from the (otherwise) common group of the person flinging the term around, rather than something someone could classify anyone (including themself) based upon how they treat memberships in general (with or without personal involvement). As such, I would say that a Judean 'splitter' is a different creature from an xkcdean one. I don't think by saying this I would significantly become a splitter in the former sense, unless I had significant opinion otherwise from which I was differentiating, but I would in the latter.
		+	:I'll also happily label myself with the second (indeed, now even unto the meta- level; if not N-meta- by dint of this potentially recursive aside!) but it would be entirely up to others to argue my status in the first sense. Never mind that I, too, have never heard of a 'lumper' in this sense (nor the counterpart usage of 'splitter'). I understand the terms - holism vs reductionism, in part..? - but this is the first time I've been exposed to the term. Immediately got the joke, though. Or at least thought I did. ;) [[Special:Contributions/172.70.134.131\|172.70.134.131]] 08:47, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

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	I really thought this was about the different focus in individuals and other systems (notably AI research), to either pay attention to individual diverse detail, often involving great memory, or form patterns to generalize everything, often involving great ingenuity. It is the latter path ("lumping") where one used to imagine an AI transfering learning to its own processes ("meta"), and then taking off as a hyperintelligence that improves itself exponentially more rapidly. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.110.173\|172.70.110.173]] 00:16, 21 September 2021 (UTC)		I really thought this was about the different focus in individuals and other systems (notably AI research), to either pay attention to individual diverse detail, often involving great memory, or form patterns to generalize everything, often involving great ingenuity. It is the latter path ("lumping") where one used to imagine an AI transfering learning to its own processes ("meta"), and then taking off as a hyperintelligence that improves itself exponentially more rapidly. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.110.173\|172.70.110.173]] 00:16, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
		+	:Whereas this could be a goid example for lumping and splitting, there are many. It is really about top-down vs. bottom-up with the added twist to emphasize the subjects doing those approaches and (in the main comic) applying those self-referentially. This meta aspect you mentioned makes it a more interesting fit, hmmmhh. --[[Special:Contributions/162.158.88.5\|162.158.88.5]] 06:37, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

	I've been a lurker here for many years but I've never edited, so I don't know what's appropriate. Is it notable that the term "splitter" is used in the same sense in the movie "Monty Python's Life of Brian"? Maybe not, but if so, it would say something like "A notable use of the term splitter is in [LoB] when the 'People's Party of Judea' is used to satirize contemporary (1970s) factional communist parties." I've never heard the term lumper before this comic.[[Special:Contributions/172.68.133.139\|172.68.133.139]] 03:14, 21 September 2021 (UTC)		I've been a lurker here for many years but I've never edited, so I don't know what's appropriate. Is it notable that the term "splitter" is used in the same sense in the movie "Monty Python's Life of Brian"? Maybe not, but if so, it would say something like "A notable use of the term splitter is in [LoB] when the 'People's Party of Judea' is used to satirize contemporary (1970s) factional communist parties." I've never heard the term lumper before this comic.[[Special:Contributions/172.68.133.139\|172.68.133.139]] 03:14, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

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	I really thought this was about the different focus in individuals and other systems (notably AI research), to either pay attention to individual diverse detail, often involving great memory, or form patterns to generalize everything, often involving great ingenuity. It is the latter path ("lumping") where one used to imagine an AI transfering learning to its own processes ("meta"), and then taking off as a hyperintelligence that improves itself exponentially more rapidly. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.110.173\|172.70.110.173]] 00:16, 21 September 2021 (UTC)		I really thought this was about the different focus in individuals and other systems (notably AI research), to either pay attention to individual diverse detail, often involving great memory, or form patterns to generalize everything, often involving great ingenuity. It is the latter path ("lumping") where one used to imagine an AI transfering learning to its own processes ("meta"), and then taking off as a hyperintelligence that improves itself exponentially more rapidly. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.110.173\|172.70.110.173]] 00:16, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
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		+	I've been a lurker here for many years but I've never edited, so I don't know what's appropriate. Is it notable that the term "splitter" is used in the same sense in the movie "Monty Python's Life of Brian"? Maybe not, but if so, it would say something like "A notable use of the term splitter is in [LoB] when the 'People's Party of Judea' is used to satirize contemporary (1970s) factional communist parties." I've never heard the term lumper before this comic.[[Special:Contributions/172.68.133.139\|172.68.133.139]] 03:14, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

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	Lumping and splitting doesn't just apply to groups of people. It describes the way people categorize things in general. [[User:Barmar\|Barmar]] ([[User talk:Barmar\|talk]]) 00:13, 21 September 2021 (UTC)		Lumping and splitting doesn't just apply to groups of people. It describes the way people categorize things in general. [[User:Barmar\|Barmar]] ([[User talk:Barmar\|talk]]) 00:13, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

−	I really thought this was about the different focus in individuals and other systems (notably AI research), to either pay attention to individual diverse detail, often involving great memory, or form patterns to generalize everything, often involving great ingenuity. It is the latter path ("lumping") where one used to imagine an AI transfering learning to its own processes ("meta"), and then ~~take~~ off as a hyperintelligence that improves itself exponentially more rapidly. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.110.173\|172.70.110.173]] 00:16, 21 September 2021 (UTC)	+	I really thought this was about the different focus in individuals and other systems (notably AI research), to either pay attention to individual diverse detail, often involving great memory, or form patterns to generalize everything, often involving great ingenuity. It is the latter path ("lumping") where one used to imagine an AI transfering learning to its own processes ("meta"), and then taking off as a hyperintelligence that improves itself exponentially more rapidly. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.110.173\|172.70.110.173]] 00:16, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

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	Lumping and splitting doesn't just apply to groups of people. It describes the way people categorize things in general. [[User:Barmar\|Barmar]] ([[User talk:Barmar\|talk]]) 00:13, 21 September 2021 (UTC)		Lumping and splitting doesn't just apply to groups of people. It describes the way people categorize things in general. [[User:Barmar\|Barmar]] ([[User talk:Barmar\|talk]]) 00:13, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

−	I really thought this was about the different focus in individuals and other systems (notably AI research), to either pay attention to individual diverse detail, often involving great memory, or form patterns to generalize everything, often involving great ingenuity. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.110.173\|172.70.110.173]] 00:16, 21 September 2021 (UTC)	+	I really thought this was about the different focus in individuals and other systems (notably AI research), to either pay attention to individual diverse detail, often involving great memory, or form patterns to generalize everything, often involving great ingenuity. It is the latter path ("lumping") where one used to imagine an AI transfering learning to its own processes ("meta"), and then take off as a hyperintelligence that improves itself exponentially more rapidly. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.110.173\|172.70.110.173]] 00:16, 21 September 2021 (UTC)