Talk:2546: Fiction vs Nonfiction - Revision history

2001:4C4E:1C09:EC00:7932:264E:A9E0:8ED0 at 12:51, 28 January 2026

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2001:4C4E:1C09:EC00:7932:264E:A9E0:8ED0: FNF or FF

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FNF or FF

162.158.203.140: Star Trek is real in fiction

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Star Trek is real in fiction

172.70.85.41 at 22:25, 29 November 2021

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172.68.50.47 at 22:11, 29 November 2021

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108.162.249.63: Original Star Wars was a 1976 book before the 1977 film.

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Original Star Wars was a 1976 book before the 1977 film.

162.158.159.43 at 17:52, 26 November 2021

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162.158.159.29 at 03:15, 26 November 2021

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Hkmaly at 23:35, 25 November 2021

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Hkmaly at 23:33, 25 November 2021

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 *Doris Kearns Goodwin is '''outside''' said "universe".
 *If "fiction" is "anything that is not reality", then we have a '''nonfiction book''' (i. e., one written about a subject ''within'' our own reality) '''written within a fictional universe''' (one that is outside said reality)!
-My reasoning for "fictional fiction" is almost the same, except for the fact that Doris Kearns Goodwin is outside the universe of B. F., instead being inside reality. [[Special:Contributions/2001:4C4E:1C09:EC00:7932:264E:A9E0:8ED0|2001:4C4E:1C09:EC00:7932:264E:A9E0:8ED0]] 12:51, 28 January 2026 (UTC)
+My reasoning for "fictional fiction" is almost the same, except for the fact that Doris Kearns Goodwin is outside the universe of B. F., instead being inside our reality. [[Special:Contributions/2001:4C4E:1C09:EC00:7932:264E:A9E0:8ED0|2001:4C4E:1C09:EC00:7932:264E:A9E0:8ED0]] 12:51, 28 January 2026 (UTC)

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	The Star Wars movies (TV shows, merch, etc.) are real. The content of the movies is fiction. The same applies to everything regarding Boba Fett (as far as I know). And in the fictional world of Star Wars, there are no Star Wars movies. But there seem to exists Star Trek movies or series inside the fictional world of Star Trek. Listen to what Zefram Cochrane says in First Contact ;-) [[Special:Contributions/162.158.203.140\|162.158.203.140]] 15:41, 6 October 2023 (UTC)		The Star Wars movies (TV shows, merch, etc.) are real. The content of the movies is fiction. The same applies to everything regarding Boba Fett (as far as I know). And in the fictional world of Star Wars, there are no Star Wars movies. But there seem to exists Star Trek movies or series inside the fictional world of Star Trek. Listen to what Zefram Cochrane says in First Contact ;-) [[Special:Contributions/162.158.203.140\|162.158.203.140]] 15:41, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
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		+	For the title text, I'd consider it "fictional nonfiction" or "fictional fiction", depending on how we define "fictional". My reasoning for "fictional nonfiction":
		+	*B. F. is '''in''' the fictional "universe".
		+	*Doris Kearns Goodwin is '''outside''' said "universe".
		+	*If "fiction" is "anything that is not reality", then we have a '''nonfiction book''' (i. e., one written about a subject ''within'' our own reality) '''written within a fictional universe''' (one that is outside said reality)!
		+	My reasoning for "fictional fiction" is almost the same, except for the fact that Doris Kearns Goodwin is outside the universe of B. F., instead being inside reality. [[Special:Contributions/2001:4C4E:1C09:EC00:7932:264E:A9E0:8ED0\|2001:4C4E:1C09:EC00:7932:264E:A9E0:8ED0]] 12:51, 28 January 2026 (UTC)

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	I actually saw Randall at a Doris Kearns Goodwin event in Western Massachusetts the Sunday before this!{{unsigned}}		I actually saw Randall at a Doris Kearns Goodwin event in Western Massachusetts the Sunday before this!{{unsigned}}
	: Related to this... I'm not the [https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=2546:_Fiction_vs_Nonfiction&curid=24581&diff=221564&oldid=221408 person who got edited out here] but I think the intention by them was that DKG certainly is real, while I assume the editer-out thought it was the how-and-why as a whole that was 'questioned'. Still, if it's confusing, yeah maybe best not given the faux-CN tag. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.85.41\|172.70.85.41]] 22:25, 29 November 2021 (UTC)		: Related to this... I'm not the [https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=2546:_Fiction_vs_Nonfiction&curid=24581&diff=221564&oldid=221408 person who got edited out here] but I think the intention by them was that DKG certainly is real, while I assume the editer-out thought it was the how-and-why as a whole that was 'questioned'. Still, if it's confusing, yeah maybe best not given the faux-CN tag. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.85.41\|172.70.85.41]] 22:25, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
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		+	The Star Wars movies (TV shows, merch, etc.) are real. The content of the movies is fiction. The same applies to everything regarding Boba Fett (as far as I know). And in the fictional world of Star Wars, there are no Star Wars movies. But there seem to exists Star Trek movies or series inside the fictional world of Star Trek. Listen to what Zefram Cochrane says in First Contact ;-) [[Special:Contributions/162.158.203.140\|162.158.203.140]] 15:41, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

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	:The Explain XKCD commentary refers to "the original Star Wars" of 1977 vintage, however the first released Star Wars media item was a book, in 1976. The film came later. From Wikipedia, Star Wars page: "The novelization of the film was published as Star Wars: From the Adventures of Luke Skywalker in December 1976, six months before the film was released. The credited author was George Lucas, but the book was revealed to have been ghostwritten by Alan Dean Foster. Marketing director Charles Lippincott secured the deal with Del Rey Books to publish the novelization in November 1976. By February 1977, a half million copies had been sold.[7]" So technically the "original Star Wars" is 1976 and was not a film. Reference to 1977 original should state "original film".		:The Explain XKCD commentary refers to "the original Star Wars" of 1977 vintage, however the first released Star Wars media item was a book, in 1976. The film came later. From Wikipedia, Star Wars page: "The novelization of the film was published as Star Wars: From the Adventures of Luke Skywalker in December 1976, six months before the film was released. The credited author was George Lucas, but the book was revealed to have been ghostwritten by Alan Dean Foster. Marketing director Charles Lippincott secured the deal with Del Rey Books to publish the novelization in November 1976. By February 1977, a half million copies had been sold.[7]" So technically the "original Star Wars" is 1976 and was not a film. Reference to 1977 original should state "original film".

−	I actually saw Randall at a Doris Kearns Goodwin event in Western Massachusetts the Sunday before this!	+	I actually saw Randall at a Doris Kearns Goodwin event in Western Massachusetts the Sunday before this!{{unsigned}}
		+	: Related to this... I'm not the [https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=2546:_Fiction_vs_Nonfiction&curid=24581&diff=221564&oldid=221408 person who got edited out here] but I think the intention by them was that DKG certainly is real, while I assume the editer-out thought it was the how-and-why as a whole that was 'questioned'. Still, if it's confusing, yeah maybe best not given the faux-CN tag. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.85.41\|172.70.85.41]] 22:25, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

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	:The Explain XKCD commentary refers to "the original Star Wars" of 1977 vintage, however the first released Star Wars media item was a book, in 1976. The film came later. From Wikipedia, Star Wars page: "The novelization of the film was published as Star Wars: From the Adventures of Luke Skywalker in December 1976, six months before the film was released. The credited author was George Lucas, but the book was revealed to have been ghostwritten by Alan Dean Foster. Marketing director Charles Lippincott secured the deal with Del Rey Books to publish the novelization in November 1976. By February 1977, a half million copies had been sold.[7]" So technically the "original Star Wars" is 1976 and was not a film. Reference to 1977 original should state "original film".		:The Explain XKCD commentary refers to "the original Star Wars" of 1977 vintage, however the first released Star Wars media item was a book, in 1976. The film came later. From Wikipedia, Star Wars page: "The novelization of the film was published as Star Wars: From the Adventures of Luke Skywalker in December 1976, six months before the film was released. The credited author was George Lucas, but the book was revealed to have been ghostwritten by Alan Dean Foster. Marketing director Charles Lippincott secured the deal with Del Rey Books to publish the novelization in November 1976. By February 1977, a half million copies had been sold.[7]" So technically the "original Star Wars" is 1976 and was not a film. Reference to 1977 original should state "original film".
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		+	I actually saw Randall at a Doris Kearns Goodwin event in Western Massachusetts the Sunday before this!

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	:Also, in a fictional story featuring a version of a real person, is the person in that story real or fictional? [[Special:Contributions/162.158.159.43\|162.158.159.43]] 17:52, 26 November 2021 (UTC)		:Also, in a fictional story featuring a version of a real person, is the person in that story real or fictional? [[Special:Contributions/162.158.159.43\|162.158.159.43]] 17:52, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
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		+	:The Explain XKCD commentary refers to "the original Star Wars" of 1977 vintage, however the first released Star Wars media item was a book, in 1976. The film came later. From Wikipedia, Star Wars page: "The novelization of the film was published as Star Wars: From the Adventures of Luke Skywalker in December 1976, six months before the film was released. The credited author was George Lucas, but the book was revealed to have been ghostwritten by Alan Dean Foster. Marketing director Charles Lippincott secured the deal with Del Rey Books to publish the novelization in November 1976. By February 1977, a half million copies had been sold.[7]" So technically the "original Star Wars" is 1976 and was not a film. Reference to 1977 original should state "original film".

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	"Fictional" is very hard word to use. Consider the phrase "fictional character". Character means a person in a novel, play, film etc. If the novel is fiction, the person is also fictional ... but it is fictional character? What's fictional on it being a character (fact) in real (fact) book? Or another example: Red Book of Westmarch. This is real book in fictional universe. Is it fictional book? But wait, its content is basically same as Hobbit and Lord of the Rings, real books in real universe. -- [[User:Hkmaly\|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly\|talk]]) 23:33, 25 November 2021 (UTC)		"Fictional" is very hard word to use. Consider the phrase "fictional character". Character means a person in a novel, play, film etc. If the novel is fiction, the person is also fictional ... but it is fictional character? What's fictional on it being a character (fact) in real (fact) book? Or another example: Red Book of Westmarch. This is real book in fictional universe. Is it fictional book? But wait, its content is basically same as Hobbit and Lord of the Rings, real books in real universe. -- [[User:Hkmaly\|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly\|talk]]) 23:33, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
	:Hadn't read this before making ''my'' edit in one spot, of using "Fictitious". Maybe that helps, maybe it doesn't. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.159.29\|162.158.159.29]] 03:15, 26 November 2021 (UTC)		:Hadn't read this before making ''my'' edit in one spot, of using "Fictitious". Maybe that helps, maybe it doesn't. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.159.29\|162.158.159.29]] 03:15, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
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		+	:Also, in a fictional story featuring a version of a real person, is the person in that story real or fictional? [[Special:Contributions/162.158.159.43\|162.158.159.43]] 17:52, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

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	What's the context here—a library? And has anybody asked Doris Kearns Goodwin whether she has such a work in some stage of preparation? [[User:Yngvadottir\|Yngvadottir]] ([[User talk:Yngvadottir\|talk]]) 22:28, 25 November 2021 (UTC)		What's the context here—a library? And has anybody asked Doris Kearns Goodwin whether she has such a work in some stage of preparation? [[User:Yngvadottir\|Yngvadottir]] ([[User talk:Yngvadottir\|talk]]) 22:28, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

−	"Fictional" is very hard word to use. Consider the phrase "fictional character". Character means a person in a novel, play, film etc. If the novel is fiction, the person is also fictional ... but it is fictional character? What's fictional on it being a character (fact) in real (fact) book? Or another example: Red Book of Westmarch. This is real book in fictional universe. Is it fictional book? But wait, ~~it's~~ content is basically same as Hobbit and Lord of the Rings, real books in real universe. -- [[User:Hkmaly\|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly\|talk]]) 23:33, 25 November 2021 (UTC)	+	"Fictional" is very hard word to use. Consider the phrase "fictional character". Character means a person in a novel, play, film etc. If the novel is fiction, the person is also fictional ... but it is fictional character? What's fictional on it being a character (fact) in real (fact) book? Or another example: Red Book of Westmarch. This is real book in fictional universe. Is it fictional book? But wait, its content is basically same as Hobbit and Lord of the Rings, real books in real universe. -- [[User:Hkmaly\|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly\|talk]]) 23:33, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
		+	:Hadn't read this before making ''my'' edit in one spot, of using "Fictitious". Maybe that helps, maybe it doesn't. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.159.29\|162.158.159.29]] 03:15, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

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	What's the context here—a library? And has anybody asked Doris Kearns Goodwin whether she has such a work in some stage of preparation? [[User:Yngvadottir\|Yngvadottir]] ([[User talk:Yngvadottir\|talk]]) 22:28, 25 November 2021 (UTC)		What's the context here—a library? And has anybody asked Doris Kearns Goodwin whether she has such a work in some stage of preparation? [[User:Yngvadottir\|Yngvadottir]] ([[User talk:Yngvadottir\|talk]]) 22:28, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

−	"Fictional" is very hard word to use. Consider the phrase "fictional character". Character means a person in a novel, play, film etc. If the novel is fiction, the person is also fictional ... but it is fictional character? What's fictional on it being a character (fact) in real (fact) book? -- [[User:Hkmaly\|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly\|talk]]) 23:33, 25 November 2021 (UTC)	+	"Fictional" is very hard word to use. Consider the phrase "fictional character". Character means a person in a novel, play, film etc. If the novel is fiction, the person is also fictional ... but it is fictional character? What's fictional on it being a character (fact) in real (fact) book? Or another example: Red Book of Westmarch. This is real book in fictional universe. Is it fictional book? But wait, it's content is basically same as Hobbit and Lord of the Rings, real books in real universe. -- [[User:Hkmaly\|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly\|talk]]) 23:33, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

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	What's the context here—a library? And has anybody asked Doris Kearns Goodwin whether she has such a work in some stage of preparation? [[User:Yngvadottir\|Yngvadottir]] ([[User talk:Yngvadottir\|talk]]) 22:28, 25 November 2021 (UTC)		What's the context here—a library? And has anybody asked Doris Kearns Goodwin whether she has such a work in some stage of preparation? [[User:Yngvadottir\|Yngvadottir]] ([[User talk:Yngvadottir\|talk]]) 22:28, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
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		+	"Fictional" is very hard word to use. Consider the phrase "fictional character". Character means a person in a novel, play, film etc. If the novel is fiction, the person is also fictional ... but it is fictional character? What's fictional on it being a character (fact) in real (fact) book? -- [[User:Hkmaly\|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly\|talk]]) 23:33, 25 November 2021 (UTC)