Talk:2549: Edge Cake - Revision history

82.132.237.234: Originally mentioned "spring solstice", at one stage of composing, of course... Incompletely edited it when I cut it back... ;)

2025-10-08T16:38:56Z

Originally mentioned "spring solstice", at one stage of composing, of course... Incompletely edited it when I cut it back... ;)

82.132.237.234 at 16:34, 8 October 2025

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MeZimm at 17:10, 7 March 2025

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MeZimm at 17:09, 7 March 2025

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172.70.114.251 at 19:37, 31 March 2022

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108.162.221.43 at 16:30, 14 December 2021

2021-12-14T16:30:10Z

Inca hoots: 25 time zones?

2021-12-09T16:12:59Z

25 time zones?

172.70.86.12 at 15:33, 9 December 2021

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172.70.210.237 at 21:09, 8 December 2021

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172.70.34.91 at 21:15, 6 December 2021

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 But it is not wrong. Ordinality does not generally apply in this case. Yes, if we describe any period as the "Nth decade/century/millenium", the 'correct' system starts at an appropriate 1-mark (as "Nth year" does) and goes to a 10-/100-/1000-mark which precedes the next "...and 1"-mark. But beyond the first century CE, or so, such an ordinal decadality tails off from practical use.<br/>
 A decade would normally be described as "the 1890s", not "the 190th decade", so anything that's "189_" is in the 19thC's century's '90s. Everything "190_" is a new decade (the "oh"s, or whatever variation it would be called), ''mostly'' in the 20thC, under the interpretation applied to the century (the 1-based one) by that editor's standards. "The 1900s" would be non-ordinal description of either the decade (190_ years) or century (19__ years), which perhaps context makes clear. In that respect, however, the former is entirely within the latter.<br/>
-I also redid the seasonal thing. Most meteorological "winter months" groupings have the whole of December lumped in with January and February (or summer months, for those south of the equator). Actual equinoxial season changes would switch either on or within a couple of days of 21/Dec (and {{w|Quarter days|any that treat}} "midwinter equinox" as truly ''mid''winter, and likewise with summer, are adrift by about 1.5 months). No other traditional season-markers, perhaps originally either astronomically or meteorologically inspired but with historic drift, seems to be using the modern 31Dec/1Jan point as a boundary. Though historically it has been true that years ticked over at the change of a season, that was often the different interpretation of the year (e.g. the one in which '''Dec'''ember was the '''ten'''th of the twelve months), held over (in Western calendars) only as some of the {{w|fiscal year}) variations that don't align to calendar years. [[Special:Contributions/82.132.237.234|82.132.237.234]] 16:34, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
+I also redid the seasonal thing. Most meteorological "winter months" groupings have the whole of December lumped in with January and February (or summer months, for those south of the equator). Actual equinoxial season changes would switch either on or within a couple of days of 21/Dec (and {{w|Quarter days|any that treat}} "midwinter solstice" as truly ''mid''winter, and likewise with summer, are adrift by about 1.5 months). No other traditional season-markers, perhaps originally either astronomically or meteorologically inspired but with historic drift, seems to be using the modern 31Dec/1Jan point as a boundary. Though historically it has been true that years ticked over at the change of a season, that was often the different interpretation of the year (e.g. the one in which '''Dec'''ember was the '''ten'''th of the twelve months), held over (in Western calendars) only as some of the {{w|fiscal year}) variations that don't align to calendar years. [[Special:Contributions/82.132.237.234|82.132.237.234]] 16:34, 8 October 2025 (UTC)

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	this comic has the same number as the carrier pigeon RFC, 2549. maybe related? [[Special:Contributions/172.70.114.251\|172.70.114.251]] 19:37, 31 March 2022 (UTC)Bumpf		this comic has the same number as the carrier pigeon RFC, 2549. maybe related? [[Special:Contributions/172.70.114.251\|172.70.114.251]] 19:37, 31 March 2022 (UTC)Bumpf
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		+	An edit was made to comment out the "two different decades" aspect, with inline explanation:
		+	this is wrong: the turn of a decade always happens between YYY0 and YYY1, the same as for centuries and millennia
		+	But it is not wrong. Ordinality does not generally apply in this case. Yes, if we describe any period as the "Nth decade/century/millenium", the 'correct' system starts at an appropriate 1-mark (as "Nth year" does) and goes to a 10-/100-/1000-mark which precedes the next "...and 1"-mark. But beyond the first century CE, or so, such an ordinal decadality tails off from practical use.<br/>
		+	A decade would normally be described as "the 1890s", not "the 190th decade", so anything that's "189_" is in the 19thC's century's '90s. Everything "190_" is a new decade (the "oh"s, or whatever variation it would be called), ''mostly'' in the 20thC, under the interpretation applied to the century (the 1-based one) by that editor's standards. "The 1900s" would be non-ordinal description of either the decade (190_ years) or century (19__ years), which perhaps context makes clear. In that respect, however, the former is entirely within the latter.<br/>
		+	I also redid the seasonal thing. Most meteorological "winter months" groupings have the whole of December lumped in with January and February (or summer months, for those south of the equator). Actual equinoxial season changes would switch either on or within a couple of days of 21/Dec (and {{w\|Quarter days\|any that treat}} "midwinter equinox" as truly ''mid''winter, and likewise with summer, are adrift by about 1.5 months). No other traditional season-markers, perhaps originally either astronomically or meteorologically inspired but with historic drift, seems to be using the modern 31Dec/1Jan point as a boundary. Though historically it has been true that years ticked over at the change of a season, that was often the different interpretation of the year (e.g. the one in which '''Dec'''ember was the '''ten'''th of the twelve months), held over (in Western calendars) only as some of the {{w\|fiscal year}) variations that don't align to calendar years. [[Special:Contributions/82.132.237.234\|82.132.237.234]] 16:34, 8 October 2025 (UTC)

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 Tempted to add a link in the Trivia section to the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Warrimoo Wikipedia] or [https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ss-warrimoo/ Snopes] pages on the SS Warrimoo, a ship that (reportedly) was on the intersection of the Equator and the International Date Line at the stroke of midnight on January 1, 1900, with a number of interesting implications that follow. There's no way to prove that it actually happened, but it's fun to imagine and is somewhat similar to the premise of the comic. [[User:MeZimm|MeZimm]] ([[User talk:MeZimm|talk]]) 14:33, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
 :What convinces me that it's a post-constructed yarn, rather than a legitimate account of a plausible event, is that the 1899-1900 'specialness' is (numerically aside) significant only from a more modern viewpoint. The dominant view at the alleged time of the incident, was the 1-rooted changeover between Centuries (1801 through to the end of 1900, then 1901-2000 to follow), and only changed as the more classical form of education/opinion phased out of common use. It was either later contrived from whole cloth as a tall-tale (if done at the time, it would have been given a 1900/1901 timestamp) or gradually embroidered with all the extra coincidental boundary-crossings (spatial and temporal) well after the actual inspirational seed incident in order to make a better anecdote/shaggy-dog-story.... [[Special:Contributions/172.70.86.12|172.70.86.12]] 15:33, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
-:::Okay... but it's fun to imagine... and is somewhat similar to the premise of the comic. And I'd say it's a good deal more plausible than the situation presented in the comic. --mezimm [[Special:Contributions/108.162.221.43|108.162.221.43]] 16:30, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
+:::Okay... but it's fun to imagine... and is somewhat similar to the premise of the comic. And I'd say it's a good deal more plausible than the situation presented in the comic. [[User:MeZimm|MeZimm]] ([[User talk:MeZimm|talk]]) 16:30, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 Many airplanes actually have limitations written into their operating manuals that prohibit flying north of 89 deg. N or south of 89 deg. S, mostly just so that the navigation software doesn't have to deal with the singularity. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.71.187|172.69.71.187]] 23:48, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

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 :Depends on the context (and scale). The convention is usually speed for rotation (surface(distance/time) when it's relevant, angular(revolutions/time) otherwise) to avoid conflicts with wave frequency (which is independent of speed). Also they can be freely converted, though converting to and from surface speed requires an additional radius term. The exception is, if comparing periodicity, sometimes frequency is used when it has special relevance (Ex: resonance) -- [[Special:Contributions/172.69.68.200|172.69.68.200]] 02:59, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
-Tempted to add a link in the Trivia section to the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Warrimoo Wikipedia] or [https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ss-warrimoo/ Snopes] pages on the SS Warrimoo, a ship that (reportedly) was on the intersection of the Equator and the International Date Line at the stroke of midnight on January 1, 1900, with a number of interesting implications that follow. There's no way to prove that it actually happened, but it's fun to imagine and is somewhat similar to the premise of the comic. --mezimm [[Special:Contributions/108.162.221.15|108.162.221.15]] 14:33, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
+Tempted to add a link in the Trivia section to the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Warrimoo Wikipedia] or [https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ss-warrimoo/ Snopes] pages on the SS Warrimoo, a ship that (reportedly) was on the intersection of the Equator and the International Date Line at the stroke of midnight on January 1, 1900, with a number of interesting implications that follow. There's no way to prove that it actually happened, but it's fun to imagine and is somewhat similar to the premise of the comic. [[User:MeZimm|MeZimm]] ([[User talk:MeZimm|talk]]) 14:33, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
 :What convinces me that it's a post-constructed yarn, rather than a legitimate account of a plausible event, is that the 1899-1900 'specialness' is (numerically aside) significant only from a more modern viewpoint. The dominant view at the alleged time of the incident, was the 1-rooted changeover between Centuries (1801 through to the end of 1900, then 1901-2000 to follow), and only changed as the more classical form of education/opinion phased out of common use. It was either later contrived from whole cloth as a tall-tale (if done at the time, it would have been given a 1900/1901 timestamp) or gradually embroidered with all the extra coincidental boundary-crossings (spatial and temporal) well after the actual inspirational seed incident in order to make a better anecdote/shaggy-dog-story.... [[Special:Contributions/172.70.86.12|172.70.86.12]] 15:33, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
 :::Okay... but it's fun to imagine... and is somewhat similar to the premise of the comic. And I'd say it's a good deal more plausible than the situation presented in the comic. --mezimm [[Special:Contributions/108.162.221.43|108.162.221.43]] 16:30, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

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	Any commentary on the fact that the middle panel shows 25 time zones? [[User:Inca hoots\|Inca hoots]] ([[User talk:Inca hoots\|talk]]) 16:12, 9 December 2021 (UTC)		Any commentary on the fact that the middle panel shows 25 time zones? [[User:Inca hoots\|Inca hoots]] ([[User talk:Inca hoots\|talk]]) 16:12, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
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		+	this comic has the same number as the carrier pigeon RFC, 2549. maybe related? [[Special:Contributions/172.70.114.251\|172.70.114.251]] 19:37, 31 March 2022 (UTC)Bumpf

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	:My take was that a normal cake was baked, frosted and cut (with both edge and center pieces), and only the edge pieces were delivered to Emily.		:My take was that a normal cake was baked, frosted and cut (with both edge and center pieces), and only the edge pieces were delivered to Emily.
	::Only a cake baked in a fractal pan would be good enough for her!		::Only a cake baked in a fractal pan would be good enough for her!
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		+	Any commentary on the fact that the middle panel shows 25 time zones? [[User:Inca hoots\|Inca hoots]] ([[User talk:Inca hoots\|talk]]) 16:12, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

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	Tempted to add a link in the Trivia section to the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Warrimoo Wikipedia] or [https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ss-warrimoo/ Snopes] pages on the SS Warrimoo, a ship that (reportedly) was on the intersection of the Equator and the International Date Line at the stroke of midnight on January 1, 1900, with a number of interesting implications that follow. There's no way to prove that it actually happened, but it's fun to imagine and is somewhat similar to the premise of the comic. --mezimm [[Special:Contributions/108.162.221.15\|108.162.221.15]] 14:33, 3 December 2021 (UTC)		Tempted to add a link in the Trivia section to the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Warrimoo Wikipedia] or [https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ss-warrimoo/ Snopes] pages on the SS Warrimoo, a ship that (reportedly) was on the intersection of the Equator and the International Date Line at the stroke of midnight on January 1, 1900, with a number of interesting implications that follow. There's no way to prove that it actually happened, but it's fun to imagine and is somewhat similar to the premise of the comic. --mezimm [[Special:Contributions/108.162.221.15\|108.162.221.15]] 14:33, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
		+	:What convinces me that it's a post-constructed yarn, rather than a legitimate account of a plausible event, is that the 1899-1900 'specialness' is (numerically aside) significant only from a more modern viewpoint. The dominant view at the alleged time of the incident, was the 1-rooted changeover between Centuries (1801 through to the end of 1900, then 1901-2000 to follow), and only changed as the more classical form of education/opinion phased out of common use. It was either later contrived from whole cloth as a tall-tale (if done at the time, it would have been given a 1900/1901 timestamp) or gradually embroidered with all the extra coincidental boundary-crossings (spatial and temporal) well after the actual inspirational seed incident in order to make a better anecdote/shaggy-dog-story.... [[Special:Contributions/172.70.86.12\|172.70.86.12]] 15:33, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

	Many airplanes actually have limitations written into their operating manuals that prohibit flying north of 89 deg. N or south of 89 deg. S, mostly just so that the navigation software doesn't have to deal with the singularity. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.71.187\|172.69.71.187]] 23:48, 3 December 2021 (UTC)		Many airplanes actually have limitations written into their operating manuals that prohibit flying north of 89 deg. N or south of 89 deg. S, mostly just so that the navigation software doesn't have to deal with the singularity. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.71.187\|172.69.71.187]] 23:48, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

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	:If you cut the sheet into quarters or if the whole was round and cut with radial slices there won't be any center piece(s). And there are more, unusual cuts that could result in all edge pieces...[[Special:Contributions/172.70.34.165\|172.70.34.165]] 14:40, 6 December 2021 (UTC)		:If you cut the sheet into quarters or if the whole was round and cut with radial slices there won't be any center piece(s). And there are more, unusual cuts that could result in all edge pieces...[[Special:Contributions/172.70.34.165\|172.70.34.165]] 14:40, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
	:My take was that a normal cake was baked, frosted and cut (with both edge and center pieces), and only the edge pieces were delivered to Emily.		:My take was that a normal cake was baked, frosted and cut (with both edge and center pieces), and only the edge pieces were delivered to Emily.
		+	::Only a cake baked in a fractal pan would be good enough for her!

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	:Alton Brown made a similar argument, but after experimenting, I strongly disagree. As with brownies, the cooking pattern is slightly different between having more edges and having a cupcake shape. In an edge piece, the edges and the corners are crisp while the center is gooey. Meanwhile, if cooked in a cupcake tin, while there might be more crispness, there is significantly less gooeyness. [[User:Cwallenpoole\|Cwallenpoole]] ([[User talk:Cwallenpoole\|talk]]) 14:23, 6 December 2021 (UTC)		:Alton Brown made a similar argument, but after experimenting, I strongly disagree. As with brownies, the cooking pattern is slightly different between having more edges and having a cupcake shape. In an edge piece, the edges and the corners are crisp while the center is gooey. Meanwhile, if cooked in a cupcake tin, while there might be more crispness, there is significantly less gooeyness. [[User:Cwallenpoole\|Cwallenpoole]] ([[User talk:Cwallenpoole\|talk]]) 14:23, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
	:If you cut the sheet into quarters or if the whole was round and cut with radial slices there won't be any center piece(s). And there are more, unusual cuts that could result in all edge pieces...[[Special:Contributions/172.70.34.165\|172.70.34.165]] 14:40, 6 December 2021 (UTC)		:If you cut the sheet into quarters or if the whole was round and cut with radial slices there won't be any center piece(s). And there are more, unusual cuts that could result in all edge pieces...[[Special:Contributions/172.70.34.165\|172.70.34.165]] 14:40, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
		+	:My take was that a normal cake was baked, frosted and cut (with both edge and center pieces), and only the edge pieces were delivered to Emily.