Talk:2556: Turing Complete - Revision history

Brangdon: "Infinite" versus "unbounded" pedantry

2022-04-23T13:14:52Z

"Infinite" versus "unbounded" pedantry

141.101.98.225: Undo revision 224000 by 172.70.210.183 (talk This stealth link was part of a past vandalism. I think I have no problem with your cause, guys but why vandalise a sympathetic space..?

2022-01-11T13:44:42Z

Undo revision 224000 by 172.70.210.183 (talk This stealth link was part of a past vandalism. I think I have no problem with your cause, guys but why vandalise a sympathetic space..?

172.70.210.183: /* Weird Machines and Turing Completeness */

2022-01-11T06:46:58Z

‎Weird Machines and Turing Completeness

Philip Romolo Neri: /* Weird Machines and Turing Completeness */ new section

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‎Weird Machines and Turing Completeness: new section

172.70.85.79: What about DOOM?

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What about DOOM?

172.68.246.129 at 09:09, 22 December 2021

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Kynde at 08:03, 20 December 2021

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172.70.91.84 at 00:34, 19 December 2021

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172.70.91.84 at 00:29, 19 December 2021

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172.70.174.171 at 16:03, 18 December 2021

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	This comic is closely related to the language security work on weird machines, yes? Could someone more knowledgeable comment?--[[User:Philip Romolo Neri\|Philip Romolo Neri]] ([[User talk:Philip Romolo Neri\|talk]]) 09:25, 10 January 2022 (UTC)		This comic is closely related to the language security work on weird machines, yes? Could someone more knowledgeable comment?--[[User:Philip Romolo Neri\|Philip Romolo Neri]] ([[User talk:Philip Romolo Neri\|talk]]) 09:25, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
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		+	A Turing tape is unbounded, not infinite. At any given time, only a finite number of symbols have been read or written, but that number can grow without limit over time. In principle, a real-world machine that was able to request more memory whenever it ran out of what it had could be considered equally unbounded - at least if the universe is infinite. [[User:Brangdon\|Brangdon]] ([[User talk:Brangdon\|talk]]) 13:14, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

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	== Weird Machines and Turing Completeness ==		== Weird Machines and Turing Completeness ==

−	This comic is closely related to the language security work on weird machines, yes? ~~Would~~ someone more knowledgeable ~~please~~ comment ~~on langsec.org/occupy~~ [[User:Philip Romolo Neri\|Philip Romolo Neri]] ([[User talk:Philip Romolo Neri\|talk]]) 09:25, 10 January 2022 (UTC)	+	This comic is closely related to the language security work on weird machines, yes? Could someone more knowledgeable comment?--[[User:Philip Romolo Neri\|Philip Romolo Neri]] ([[User talk:Philip Romolo Neri\|talk]]) 09:25, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

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	== Weird Machines and Turing Completeness ==		== Weird Machines and Turing Completeness ==

−	This comic is closely related to the language security work on weird machines, yes? ~~Could~~ someone more knowledgeable comment~~?--~~[[User:Philip Romolo Neri\|Philip Romolo Neri]] ([[User talk:Philip Romolo Neri\|talk]]) 09:25, 10 January 2022 (UTC)	+	This comic is closely related to the language security work on weird machines, yes? Would someone more knowledgeable please comment on langsec.org/occupy [[User:Philip Romolo Neri\|Philip Romolo Neri]] ([[User talk:Philip Romolo Neri\|talk]]) 09:25, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

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	Honestly surprised Randall didn't reference Doom in this comic. It's the one game that's synonymous with running on unusual hardware. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.85.79\|172.70.85.79]] 23:41, 23 December 2021 (UTC)		Honestly surprised Randall didn't reference Doom in this comic. It's the one game that's synonymous with running on unusual hardware. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.85.79\|172.70.85.79]] 23:41, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
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		+	== Weird Machines and Turing Completeness ==
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		+	This comic is closely related to the language security work on weird machines, yes? Could someone more knowledgeable comment?--[[User:Philip Romolo Neri\|Philip Romolo Neri]] ([[User talk:Philip Romolo Neri\|talk]]) 09:25, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

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	Do things feel more and more like Stross's Accelerando to you as well? [[Special:Contributions/172.68.246.129\|172.68.246.129]] 09:09, 22 December 2021 (UTC)		Do things feel more and more like Stross's Accelerando to you as well? [[Special:Contributions/172.68.246.129\|172.68.246.129]] 09:09, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
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		+	Honestly surprised Randall didn't reference Doom in this comic. It's the one game that's synonymous with running on unusual hardware. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.85.79\|172.70.85.79]] 23:41, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

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	:(Actually, that was before I then went back and fully read ABOR, to fulfill my nostalgia. I forgot that it ''actually says'' it is TC in an in-frame footnote. That might be what prompted me to think of it, so forget about me being too clever, it's just true. Voice Of God, etc.) [[Special:Contributions/172.70.91.84\|172.70.91.84]] 00:34, 19 December 2021 (UTC)		:(Actually, that was before I then went back and fully read ABOR, to fulfill my nostalgia. I forgot that it ''actually says'' it is TC in an in-frame footnote. That might be what prompted me to think of it, so forget about me being too clever, it's just true. Voice Of God, etc.) [[Special:Contributions/172.70.91.84\|172.70.91.84]] 00:34, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
	::It is also one of my favorite and I remember the footnote without reading it again now ;-) Wow a dust mote just disappeared in front of me... :-D (updated your post with a link to the comic!) --[[User:Kynde\|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde\|talk]]) 08:03, 20 December 2021 (UTC)		::It is also one of my favorite and I remember the footnote without reading it again now ;-) Wow a dust mote just disappeared in front of me... :-D (updated your post with a link to the comic!) --[[User:Kynde\|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde\|talk]]) 08:03, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
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		+	Do things feel more and more like Stross's Accelerando to you as well? [[Special:Contributions/172.68.246.129\|172.68.246.129]] 09:09, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

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 The explanation should probably also mention that https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2021/12/a-deep-dive-into-nso-zero-click.html was published just two days before this comic. Frank [[Special:Contributions/162.158.94.165|162.158.94.165]] 11:09, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
-I added in a much needed A Bunch Of Rocks reference. I mean, it's a possibly ''broken'' Turing Machine (because the operator is 'only human' and occasionally makes mistakes in his process. But, by definition, anything capable of simulating (many!) things that are themselves considered Turing Complete is thus by itself Turing Complete as it carries out (or could carry out) all the tasks that are successfully (or potentially) carried out by them 'on their own'. It's a metaphysical (metaphilosophical? metasomethingorother...) issue, of course. ;) [[Special:Contributions/172.70.91.84|172.70.91.84]] 00:29, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
+I added in a much needed [[A Bunch of Rocks]] reference. I mean, it's a possibly ''broken'' Turing Machine (because the operator is 'only human' and occasionally makes mistakes in his process. But, by definition, anything capable of simulating (many!) things that are themselves considered Turing Complete is thus by itself Turing Complete as it carries out (or could carry out) all the tasks that are successfully (or potentially) carried out by them 'on their own'. It's a metaphysical (metaphilosophical? metasomethingorother...) issue, of course. ;) [[Special:Contributions/172.70.91.84|172.70.91.84]] 00:29, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 :(Actually, that was before I then went back and fully read ABOR, to fulfill my nostalgia. I forgot that it ''actually says'' it is TC in an in-frame footnote. That might be what prompted me to think of it, so forget about me being too clever, it's just true. Voice Of God, etc.) [[Special:Contributions/172.70.91.84|172.70.91.84]] 00:34, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

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	I added in a much needed A Bunch Of Rocks reference. I mean, it's a possibly ''broken'' Turing Machine (because the operator is 'only human' and occasionally makes mistakes in his process. But, by definition, anything capable of simulating (many!) things that are themselves considered Turing Complete is thus by itself Turing Complete as it carries out (or could carry out) all the tasks that are successfully (or potentially) carried out by them 'on their own'. It's a metaphysical (metaphilosophical? metasomethingorother...) issue, of course. ;) [[Special:Contributions/172.70.91.84\|172.70.91.84]] 00:29, 19 December 2021 (UTC)		I added in a much needed A Bunch Of Rocks reference. I mean, it's a possibly ''broken'' Turing Machine (because the operator is 'only human' and occasionally makes mistakes in his process. But, by definition, anything capable of simulating (many!) things that are themselves considered Turing Complete is thus by itself Turing Complete as it carries out (or could carry out) all the tasks that are successfully (or potentially) carried out by them 'on their own'. It's a metaphysical (metaphilosophical? metasomethingorother...) issue, of course. ;) [[Special:Contributions/172.70.91.84\|172.70.91.84]] 00:29, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
		+	:(Actually, that was before I then went back and fully read ABOR, to fulfill my nostalgia. I forgot that it ''actually says'' it is TC in an in-frame footnote. That might be what prompted me to think of it, so forget about me being too clever, it's just true. Voice Of God, etc.) [[Special:Contributions/172.70.91.84\|172.70.91.84]] 00:34, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

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	The explanation should probably also mention that https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2021/12/a-deep-dive-into-nso-zero-click.html was published just two days before this comic. Frank [[Special:Contributions/162.158.94.165\|162.158.94.165]] 11:09, 18 December 2021 (UTC)		The explanation should probably also mention that https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2021/12/a-deep-dive-into-nso-zero-click.html was published just two days before this comic. Frank [[Special:Contributions/162.158.94.165\|162.158.94.165]] 11:09, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
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		+	I added in a much needed A Bunch Of Rocks reference. I mean, it's a possibly ''broken'' Turing Machine (because the operator is 'only human' and occasionally makes mistakes in his process. But, by definition, anything capable of simulating (many!) things that are themselves considered Turing Complete is thus by itself Turing Complete as it carries out (or could carry out) all the tasks that are successfully (or potentially) carried out by them 'on their own'. It's a metaphysical (metaphilosophical? metasomethingorother...) issue, of course. ;) [[Special:Contributions/172.70.91.84\|172.70.91.84]] 00:29, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

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 I don't think "attack by a nation-state" is referring to Turing's WWII work. I think it means a modern nation-state is using FORCEDENTRY to attack you via some unexpected device. [[User:Barmar|Barmar]] ([[User talk:Barmar|talk]]) 23:56, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
-* I think it actually is a reference to national security agencies being able to get into your phone and get all your private data and so on [[Special:Contributions/108.162.237.5|108.162.237.5]] 01:00, 18 December 2021 (UTC)Bumpf
+: I think it actually is a reference to national security agencies being able to get into your phone and get all your private data and so on [[Special:Contributions/108.162.237.5|108.162.237.5]] 01:00, 18 December 2021 (UTC)Bumpf
 The explanation should probably also mention that https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2021/12/a-deep-dive-into-nso-zero-click.html was published just two days before this comic. Frank [[Special:Contributions/162.158.94.165|162.158.94.165]] 11:09, 18 December 2021 (UTC)