Talk:2617: Maps - Revision history

SilverTheTerribleMathematician at 08:12, 5 January 2023

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NiceGuy1 at 04:48, 14 May 2022

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NiceGuy1: /* Paragraph on Google Maps */

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‎Paragraph on Google Maps

NiceGuy1 at 04:43, 14 May 2022

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172.70.110.241 at 07:25, 13 May 2022

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172.70.110.241 at 07:23, 13 May 2022

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162.158.91.140 at 12:58, 12 May 2022

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DKMell: forgot my tildes

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forgot my tildes

172.70.162.77 at 14:25, 11 May 2022

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108.162.216.209 at 13:59, 11 May 2022

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	I don't use Apple Maps. Can someone add an explanation of "Apple Maps's new zoomed-in design" ? [[User:DKMell\|DKMell]] ([[User talk:DKMell\|talk]]) 16:47, 10 May 2022 (UTC)		I don't use Apple Maps. Can someone add an explanation of "Apple Maps's new zoomed-in design" ? [[User:DKMell\|DKMell]] ([[User talk:DKMell\|talk]]) 16:47, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
	:Neither do I, but from the comment and explanation I gather that for large cities you can browse in greater detail, even in satellite view seeing street signs. Though it's possible the explanation was added as per your request and is why I understand it. :) [[User:NiceGuy1\|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1\|talk]]) 04:48, 14 May 2022 (UTC)		:Neither do I, but from the comment and explanation I gather that for large cities you can browse in greater detail, even in satellite view seeing street signs. Though it's possible the explanation was added as per your request and is why I understand it. :) [[User:NiceGuy1\|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1\|talk]]) 04:48, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
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		+	Funnily enough, this comic was released around the time that I started using it. [[User:SilverTheTerribleMathematician\|SilverTheTerribleMathematician]] ([[User talk:SilverTheTerribleMathematician\|talk]]) 08:12, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

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	I don't use Apple Maps. Can someone add an explanation of "Apple Maps's new zoomed-in design" ? [[User:DKMell\|DKMell]] ([[User talk:DKMell\|talk]]) 16:47, 10 May 2022 (UTC)		I don't use Apple Maps. Can someone add an explanation of "Apple Maps's new zoomed-in design" ? [[User:DKMell\|DKMell]] ([[User talk:DKMell\|talk]]) 16:47, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
		+	:Neither do I, but from the comment and explanation I gather that for large cities you can browse in greater detail, even in satellite view seeing street signs. Though it's possible the explanation was added as per your request and is why I understand it. :) [[User:NiceGuy1\|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1\|talk]]) 04:48, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
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	== What did Google Maps innovate (if anything)? ==		== What did Google Maps innovate (if anything)? ==

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	:Because part of the criticism towards Apple Maps has been to consider it vastly inferior to Google Maps. Usually if you (Apple Maps in this case) try to enter a field where there's already a standard (Google Maps), it's because you believe you can do it better, attracting customers away to your product, and Apple Maps has long been inferior (kind of hard to win an improvement race when you're both improving and you start from behind). Google Maps is the industry leader and their main competition. Opinions of Apple Maps are usually "Google Maps is better". That's why.		:Because part of the criticism towards Apple Maps has been to consider it vastly inferior to Google Maps. Usually if you (Apple Maps in this case) try to enter a field where there's already a standard (Google Maps), it's because you believe you can do it better, attracting customers away to your product, and Apple Maps has long been inferior (kind of hard to win an improvement race when you're both improving and you start from behind). Google Maps is the industry leader and their main competition. Opinions of Apple Maps are usually "Google Maps is better". That's why.

−	Did this really need its own header? LOL! [[User:NiceGuy1\|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1\|talk]]) 04:43, 14 May 2022 (UTC)	+	:Did this really need its own header? LOL! [[User:NiceGuy1\|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1\|talk]]) 04:43, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

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	== Paragraph on Google Maps ==		== Paragraph on Google Maps ==
	I found the paragraph interesting to read. However, the comic mentions only OpenStreetMap and AppleMaps. Why is there an explanation on Google Maps here? --[[Special:Contributions/162.158.91.140\|162.158.91.140]] 12:58, 12 May 2022 (UTC)		I found the paragraph interesting to read. However, the comic mentions only OpenStreetMap and AppleMaps. Why is there an explanation on Google Maps here? --[[Special:Contributions/162.158.91.140\|162.158.91.140]] 12:58, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
		+	:Because part of the criticism towards Apple Maps has been to consider it vastly inferior to Google Maps. Usually if you (Apple Maps in this case) try to enter a field where there's already a standard (Google Maps), it's because you believe you can do it better, attracting customers away to your product, and Apple Maps has long been inferior (kind of hard to win an improvement race when you're both improving and you start from behind). Google Maps is the industry leader and their main competition. Opinions of Apple Maps are usually "Google Maps is better". That's why.
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		+	Did this really need its own header? LOL! [[User:NiceGuy1\|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1\|talk]]) 04:43, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

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 : The glitch exists only in the satellite view. You may argue that Google's satellite images (or the stitching thereof) are bad, but this tells nothing at all about the quality of the maps themselves.
-:: You guys got us all to search google maps for a bridge in Ukraine and spin around it digitally. 0_0 . It worked fine for me. What is going to happen as a result of my behavior? [[Special:Contributions/172.70.110.241|172.70.110.241]] 07:23, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
+:: You guys got us all to search google maps for a bridge in Ukraine and spin around it digitally. 0_0 . It worked fine for me. What is going to happen as a result of my behavior?  [edit: I guess if anybody were looking for google maps statistics around that area, we added a lot of views of that bridge that don't relate to reality.] [[Special:Contributions/172.70.110.241|172.70.110.241]] 07:23, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 I don't use Apple Maps. Can someone add an explanation of "Apple Maps's new zoomed-in design" ? [[User:DKMell|DKMell]] ([[User talk:DKMell|talk]]) 16:47, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

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	: The glitch exists only in the satellite view. You may argue that Google's satellite images (or the stitching thereof) are bad, but this tells nothing at all about the quality of the maps themselves.		: The glitch exists only in the satellite view. You may argue that Google's satellite images (or the stitching thereof) are bad, but this tells nothing at all about the quality of the maps themselves.
		+	:: You guys got us all to search google maps for a bridge in Ukraine and spin around it digitally. 0_0 . It worked fine for me. What is going to happen as a result of my behavior? [[Special:Contributions/172.70.110.241\|172.70.110.241]] 07:23, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

	I don't use Apple Maps. Can someone add an explanation of "Apple Maps's new zoomed-in design" ? [[User:DKMell\|DKMell]] ([[User talk:DKMell\|talk]]) 16:47, 10 May 2022 (UTC)		I don't use Apple Maps. Can someone add an explanation of "Apple Maps's new zoomed-in design" ? [[User:DKMell\|DKMell]] ([[User talk:DKMell\|talk]]) 16:47, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

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	:: It's in a comment. <code><nowiki>...replacement for the widely used {{w\|Google <!-- VOS COMO -->Maps}}. It was quite bad...</nowiki></code> [[Special:Contributions/108.162.216.209\|108.162.216.209]] 13:59, 11 May 2022 (UTC)		:: It's in a comment. <code><nowiki>...replacement for the widely used {{w\|Google <!-- VOS COMO -->Maps}}. It was quite bad...</nowiki></code> [[Special:Contributions/108.162.216.209\|108.162.216.209]] 13:59, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
	::: It was in (at least!) two such places, in a similar style and context. It was removed from one earlier, and now removed from the other. It had no functional/formatting/whatever use (e.g. telling a future editor of something they might be about to erroneously change without being aware of why it was 'wrong'), and could only be a 'tag' (in graffiti terms) for in-joke/bragging rights. I'm sure that if I'm wrong (or ''especially'' if I'm right) it'll be added back in with at least as much explanation as before. But, for now, bye bye! [[Special:Contributions/172.70.162.77\|172.70.162.77]] 14:25, 11 May 2022 (UTC)		::: It was in (at least!) two such places, in a similar style and context. It was removed from one earlier, and now removed from the other. It had no functional/formatting/whatever use (e.g. telling a future editor of something they might be about to erroneously change without being aware of why it was 'wrong'), and could only be a 'tag' (in graffiti terms) for in-joke/bragging rights. I'm sure that if I'm wrong (or ''especially'' if I'm right) it'll be added back in with at least as much explanation as before. But, for now, bye bye! [[Special:Contributions/172.70.162.77\|172.70.162.77]] 14:25, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
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		+	== Paragraph on Google Maps ==
		+	I found the paragraph interesting to read. However, the comic mentions only OpenStreetMap and AppleMaps. Why is there an explanation on Google Maps here? --[[Special:Contributions/162.158.91.140\|162.158.91.140]] 12:58, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

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 The current explanation reads as if Google Maps were the first map service to overlay a database of site coordinates onto satellite imagery; but that's not true at all. It wasn't even the first widely used one: MapQuest was virtually eponymous with online maps & satellite views, for many years before Google Maps was introduced. Services such as MapQuest also introduced most of the common features associated with online mapping\wayfinding tools (such as manually setting waypoints along a route), before Google Maps was even released. At introduction, Google Maps was playing catch-up, in terms of features & viewable routes. Eventually, Google Maps & Apple Maps became the most prevalent, through ''bundling'', wherein their (rather large) app came pre-installed on new devices; ''not'' because they were intrinsically superior at that time. Availability by default was (is?) the primary means of new user acquisition, by both Apple Maps & Google Maps. Their reliability has improved largely as a ''result'' of more numerous user contributions, not the other way around: They didn't take over purely because they were a better/new style of map, they took over because they were ''already included'' by OEMs; & their most crucial improvements were made possible ''after'' they gained market dominance. The explanation should reflect this, rather than claiming Google Maps satellite view somehow "revolutionized how maps were perceived all over the world", which makes it sound as if their map style was somehow revolutionary; it wasn't. ''Having'' a map available, anywhere you're online, ''by default'', was the "revolution". IE: '''Preinstallation''' revolutionized how maps were perceived. (The original features & map view itself pre-date Google Maps by nearly a decade.) Even the addition of listings for businesses, was introduced long before Google Maps (''or'' Apple Maps); it was again the pre-installed ubiquity, which drew businesses to register their locations with these map services instead of others. MapQuest already strove to map such info, but Google received more of that info over time, because they demonstrated clear market dominance through their default installation. Businesses could list their location with each mapping service, but the mapping services pre-installed on user's devices, were clearly better positioned to reach users on the go. TLDR: Preinstallation of an online mapping tool, was the revolution which changed how people perceive & use maps; ''not'' any feature of Google Maps in particular. What's the most concise way to convey this?{{unsigned|ProphetZarquon|15:01, 10 May 2022}}
-:I used to use MapQuest, and I have to say that Google Maps, when it appeared, was a breath of fresh air. Mainly this was because of the interface. Someone had finally paid attention to how users see and control the map! I no longer had to look at a tiny little tile of a map, one that had exceptionally clunky controls for zooming, panning, etc.
+:I used to use MapQuest, and I have to say that Google Maps, when it appeared, was a breath of fresh air. Mainly this was because of the interface. Someone had finally paid attention to how users see and control the map! I no longer had to look at a tiny little tile of a map, one that had exceptionally clunky controls for zooming, panning, etc. [[User:DKMell|DKMell]] ([[User talk:DKMell|talk]]) 19:13, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
 ::This is a great example of what Google Maps ''actually'' did to improve the online mapping experience: Refine the UX beyond the basic satellite views MapQuest had offered at the time. Additional (finer control of) zoom levels, & the later introduction of a 3D view, & especially, the additional information provided by local businesses, once preinstallation had provided a significantly competitive quantity of users. Could someone work this into the explanation? (It still reads as if Google Maps were the first to implement online satellite mapping.)

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	:It isn't currently in the article. Was it before? It would be Spanish for something like "How are you?" (More commonly ¿Como estás vos?" in some dialects, I believe. I am not fluent in Spanish.) I think Argentine Spanish in particular uses "vos" instead "tu". Maybe someone was doing a stupid test edit and it has already been reverted? [[User:Nitpicking\|Nitpicking]] ([[User talk:Nitpicking\|talk]]) 11:19, 11 May 2022 (UTC)		:It isn't currently in the article. Was it before? It would be Spanish for something like "How are you?" (More commonly ¿Como estás vos?" in some dialects, I believe. I am not fluent in Spanish.) I think Argentine Spanish in particular uses "vos" instead "tu". Maybe someone was doing a stupid test edit and it has already been reverted? [[User:Nitpicking\|Nitpicking]] ([[User talk:Nitpicking\|talk]]) 11:19, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
	:: It's in a comment. <code><nowiki>...replacement for the widely used {{w\|Google <!-- VOS COMO -->Maps}}. It was quite bad...</nowiki></code> [[Special:Contributions/108.162.216.209\|108.162.216.209]] 13:59, 11 May 2022 (UTC)		:: It's in a comment. <code><nowiki>...replacement for the widely used {{w\|Google <!-- VOS COMO -->Maps}}. It was quite bad...</nowiki></code> [[Special:Contributions/108.162.216.209\|108.162.216.209]] 13:59, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
		+	::: It was in (at least!) two such places, in a similar style and context. It was removed from one earlier, and now removed from the other. It had no functional/formatting/whatever use (e.g. telling a future editor of something they might be about to erroneously change without being aware of why it was 'wrong'), and could only be a 'tag' (in graffiti terms) for in-joke/bragging rights. I'm sure that if I'm wrong (or ''especially'' if I'm right) it'll be added back in with at least as much explanation as before. But, for now, bye bye! [[Special:Contributions/172.70.162.77\|172.70.162.77]] 14:25, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

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	What does "VOS COMO" mean? [[Special:Contributions/172.70.126.215\|172.70.126.215]] 05:51, 11 May 2022 (UTC)		What does "VOS COMO" mean? [[Special:Contributions/172.70.126.215\|172.70.126.215]] 05:51, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
	:It isn't currently in the article. Was it before? It would be Spanish for something like "How are you?" (More commonly ¿Como estás vos?" in some dialects, I believe. I am not fluent in Spanish.) I think Argentine Spanish in particular uses "vos" instead "tu". Maybe someone was doing a stupid test edit and it has already been reverted? [[User:Nitpicking\|Nitpicking]] ([[User talk:Nitpicking\|talk]]) 11:19, 11 May 2022 (UTC)		:It isn't currently in the article. Was it before? It would be Spanish for something like "How are you?" (More commonly ¿Como estás vos?" in some dialects, I believe. I am not fluent in Spanish.) I think Argentine Spanish in particular uses "vos" instead "tu". Maybe someone was doing a stupid test edit and it has already been reverted? [[User:Nitpicking\|Nitpicking]] ([[User talk:Nitpicking\|talk]]) 11:19, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
		+	:: It's in a comment. <code><nowiki>...replacement for the widely used {{w\|Google <!-- VOS COMO -->Maps}}. It was quite bad...</nowiki></code> [[Special:Contributions/108.162.216.209\|108.162.216.209]] 13:59, 11 May 2022 (UTC)