Talk:2618: Selection Bias - Revision history

NiceGuy1 at 08:19, 12 November 2022

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NiceGuy1 at 08:16, 12 November 2022

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172.71.178.187 at 03:44, 11 November 2022

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172.69.42.115 at 01:48, 11 November 2022

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172.70.131.104: comment

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172.71.94.73 at 19:55, 22 July 2022

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141.101.76.29 at 19:54, 22 July 2022

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141.101.104.240 at 05:56, 22 May 2022

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172.70.90.145: Is xkcd only for engineers?

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Is xkcd only for engineers?

172.70.85.211: Is xkcd only for engineers?

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Is xkcd only for engineers?

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 ::She is 100% aware of it, she isn't making any mistake, she is DEMONSTRATING Selection Bias completely on purpose as part of her presentation on Selection Bias. It is the AUDIENCE who is participating by accident, not realizing that by voting that they are demonstrating the bias. THAT is the joke, THAT is the fun, that they are pawns in her presentation. She is cleverly using them without their knowledge or realization. Her next line could be "See? I got you!". :) [[User:NiceGuy1|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1|talk]]) 05:44, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 :::I disagree. If Blondie were not speaking so as to give Randall an xkcd punchline, she might have followed up by saying, perhaps, "Yes, pretty much everyone here is familiar with selection bias, but this is a statistics conference, so it's probably not representative of the general public. So now I'll tell you about some recent studies where the authors didn't realize that they had problems with selection bias ...." If the audience had failed to raise their hands, Blondie would not have known whether the audience really didn't understand selection bias, or was misleading her, or misheard/misunderstood her. --[[Special:Contributions/172.70.131.104|172.70.131.104]] 18:48, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
-::::'''*sigh*''' Again, no mistake, no uncertainty. This is a statistics conference. To be at ANY conference you must be significantly involved in the field. Therefore, Blondie is making a completely safe bet that literally the entire audience is familiar with selection bias, as anyone involved in statistics must be. There is no chance whatsoever that anybody in the audience would fail to raise their hands, if they're being honest. Well, people who dislike participating in polls, but this is a simpler universe. Which also dissolves any possibility of not understanding, or misleading, or mishearing. Honestly, mine is the correct interpretation, the audience are pawns in Blondie's clever speech. Without the slightest doubt. [[User:NiceGuy1|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1|talk]]) 08:16, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
+::::'''*sigh*''' Again, no mistake, no uncertainty. This is a statistics conference. To be at ANY conference you must be significantly involved in the field. Therefore, Blondie is making a completely safe bet that literally the entire audience is familiar with selection bias, as anyone involved in statistics must be. There is no chance whatsoever that anybody in the audience would fail to raise their hands, if they're being honest. Well, people who dislike participating in polls, but this is a simpler universe. Which also dissolves any possibility of not understanding, or misleading, or mishearing. Honestly, mine is the correct interpretation, the audience are pawns in Blondie's clever speech. Without the slightest doubt. Check into the concepts of K.I.S.S. and Occam's Razor, Randall doesn't include such hidden complications. [[User:NiceGuy1|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1|talk]]) 08:16, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
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 ::She is 100% aware of it, she isn't making any mistake, she is DEMONSTRATING Selection Bias completely on purpose as part of her presentation on Selection Bias. It is the AUDIENCE who is participating by accident, not realizing that by voting that they are demonstrating the bias. THAT is the joke, THAT is the fun, that they are pawns in her presentation. She is cleverly using them without their knowledge or realization. Her next line could be "See? I got you!". :) [[User:NiceGuy1|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1|talk]]) 05:44, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 :::I disagree. If Blondie were not speaking so as to give Randall an xkcd punchline, she might have followed up by saying, perhaps, "Yes, pretty much everyone here is familiar with selection bias, but this is a statistics conference, so it's probably not representative of the general public. So now I'll tell you about some recent studies where the authors didn't realize that they had problems with selection bias ...." If the audience had failed to raise their hands, Blondie would not have known whether the audience really didn't understand selection bias, or was misleading her, or misheard/misunderstood her. --[[Special:Contributions/172.70.131.104|172.70.131.104]] 18:48, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
 > 'Are you familiar with that webcomic for engineers' --

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	Whether she made the mistake of selection bias intentionally is fairly irrelevant. Someone making the mistake of selection bias INTENTIONALLY is committing some kind of fraud--but that doesn't mean they will/should be prosecuted for it. Hopefully their paper submission is rejected, and the MSM reports that it is invalid. (Hopefully.)		Whether she made the mistake of selection bias intentionally is fairly irrelevant. Someone making the mistake of selection bias INTENTIONALLY is committing some kind of fraud--but that doesn't mean they will/should be prosecuted for it. Hopefully their paper submission is rejected, and the MSM reports that it is invalid. (Hopefully.)
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		+	:Why would the Manhattan School of Music have any reason to get involved? [[Special:Contributions/172.71.178.187\|172.71.178.187]] 03:44, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

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	Depends who you are asking. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.76.29\|141.101.76.29]] 19:54, 22 July 2022 (UTC)		Depends who you are asking. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.76.29\|141.101.76.29]] 19:54, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
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		+	xkcd is ABSOLUTELY for scientists. Also for mathematicians. STATISTICIANS! Not so much for engineers. Some scientists are engineers. Some engineers are scientists and statisticians--but far too few.
		+	Whether she made the mistake of selection bias intentionally is fairly irrelevant. Someone making the mistake of selection bias INTENTIONALLY is committing some kind of fraud--but that doesn't mean they will/should be prosecuted for it. Hopefully their paper submission is rejected, and the MSM reports that it is invalid. (Hopefully.)
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 :Of course she makes the mistake and is not aware of it. This becomes clear when they do the same in the title text. The joke is that she is not aware of it, or else it would not even be fun. --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 18:45, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 ::She is 100% aware of it, she isn't making any mistake, she is DEMONSTRATING Selection Bias completely on purpose as part of her presentation on Selection Bias. It is the AUDIENCE who is participating by accident, not realizing that by voting that they are demonstrating the bias. THAT is the joke, THAT is the fun, that they are pawns in her presentation. She is cleverly using them without their knowledge or realization. Her next line could be "See? I got you!". :) [[User:NiceGuy1|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1|talk]]) 05:44, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 > 'Are you familiar with that webcomic for engineers' --

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	> Acquiescence bias is not a widely known concept		> Acquiescence bias is not a widely known concept
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	Depends who you are asking. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.76.29\|141.101.76.29]] 19:54, 22 July 2022 (UTC)		Depends who you are asking. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.76.29\|141.101.76.29]] 19:54, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

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	I always assumed it was mainly for scientists...		I always assumed it was mainly for scientists...
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		+	> Acquiescence bias is not a widely known concept
		+	Depends who you are asking. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.76.29\|141.101.76.29]] 19:54, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

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 :It just went down for about ten minutes. Once in a while I was able to get pages to load, but it was rare (probably 3-5 times). Most of the pages that did load had no CSS. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.130.161|172.70.130.161]] 22:03, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
 :I blame a secret global infiltration by brain-eating extraterrestrials bent on steadily eroding our infrastructure while we kill each other in stimulated warfare. Do you agree with this common hypothesis? [[Special:Contributions/172.70.114.241|172.70.114.241]] 01:00, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
+::No. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.104.240|141.101.104.240]] 05:56, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
 I love the [https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=2618%3A_Selection_Bias&type=revision&diff=268675&oldid=268673 current explanation] of the title text, thanks [[User:Kev|Kev]] ;-) --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 06:38, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 :: I am the individual on mobile who revised the referenced text so as to mention engineers. This above comment by Kynde was added after my revision, but links to the previous version which was not current at the time of their post. I do not know why they call it current. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.62.123|162.158.62.123]] 07:07, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

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	:Of course she makes the mistake and is not aware of it. This becomes clear when they do the same in the title text. The joke is that she is not aware of it, or else it would not even be fun. --[[User:Kynde\|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde\|talk]]) 18:45, 15 May 2022 (UTC)		:Of course she makes the mistake and is not aware of it. This becomes clear when they do the same in the title text. The joke is that she is not aware of it, or else it would not even be fun. --[[User:Kynde\|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde\|talk]]) 18:45, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
	::She is 100% aware of it, she isn't making any mistake, she is DEMONSTRATING Selection Bias completely on purpose as part of her presentation on Selection Bias. It is the AUDIENCE who is participating by accident, not realizing that by voting that they are demonstrating the bias. THAT is the joke, THAT is the fun, that they are pawns in her presentation. She is cleverly using them without their knowledge or realization. Her next line could be "See? I got you!". :) [[User:NiceGuy1\|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1\|talk]]) 05:44, 16 May 2022 (UTC)		::She is 100% aware of it, she isn't making any mistake, she is DEMONSTRATING Selection Bias completely on purpose as part of her presentation on Selection Bias. It is the AUDIENCE who is participating by accident, not realizing that by voting that they are demonstrating the bias. THAT is the joke, THAT is the fun, that they are pawns in her presentation. She is cleverly using them without their knowledge or realization. Her next line could be "See? I got you!". :) [[User:NiceGuy1\|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1\|talk]]) 05:44, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
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		+	> Are you familiar with that webcomic for engineers
		+	I always assumed it was mainly for scientists...