Talk:2625: Field Topology - Revision history

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172.69.42.91 at 23:11, 14 November 2022

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Yorkshire Pudding at 23:53, 31 May 2022

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 : [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croquet#Nine-wicket] 'Nine-wicket croquet, sometimes called "backyard croquet", is played mainly in Canada and the United States, and is the game most recreational players in those countries call simply "croquet".' (Wikipedia) [[Special:Contributions/172.70.126.215|172.70.126.215]] 18:58, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
-American football goals are Y-shaped. Rugby goals are H-shaped. Did... did Randall get those confused? Also, I fail to see how basketball and American football get two, croquet gets a bunch, but soccer gets zero. Aren't soccer goals (in-game at least) basically the same shape as croquet wickets, just waaaay bigger? Granted, I don't know anything about topology and I came to this wiki specifically cuz I'm dumb, so I'd love if someone could splain this all for me ;) --mezimm [[Special:Contributions/172.69.69.170|172.69.69.170]] 13:37, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
+American football goals are Y-shaped. Rugby goals are H-shaped. Did... did Randall get those confused? Also, I fail to see how basketball and American football get two, croquet gets a bunch, but soccer gets zero. Aren't soccer goals (in-game at least) basically the same shape as croquet wickets, just waaaay bigger? Granted, I don't know anything about topology and I came to this wiki specifically cuz I'm dumb, so I'd love if someone could splain this all for me ;) [[User:MeZimm|MeZimm]] ([[User talk:MeZimm|talk]]) 13:37, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
 :The soccer goal has a net, so the ball can't go through it. Topologically it's just a wall (Randall seems to be ignoring all the tiny holes in netting, presumaby because they're smaller than the balls so they're insignificant to the sports). [[User:Barmar|Barmar]] ([[User talk:Barmar|talk]]) 14:10, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
 ::I agree with that explanation - the net is the only thing that makes the soccer field not to have holes. It should be included in the comic explanation.

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	The fact that the volleyball net creates a hole is absolutely correct. (I'm sure) the configuration is in the rules, including at least the approximate height of the open space under the net. Critically, touching the net is a violation. But temporarily moving under it is not, as long as one doesn't interfere with the opposing team. A net that started from the floor would change the game dramatically, since not even toes could ever legally be extended under it.		The fact that the volleyball net creates a hole is absolutely correct. (I'm sure) the configuration is in the rules, including at least the approximate height of the open space under the net. Critically, touching the net is a violation. But temporarily moving under it is not, as long as one doesn't interfere with the opposing team. A net that started from the floor would change the game dramatically, since not even toes could ever legally be extended under it.
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	To the editor who corrected the "ellipsis" in the transcript, not sure if you're reading the discussion, but it was deliberate and I do know the difference - the whole reason I noticed the ellipses/ellipses double meaning was because I was trying to replace the word "hole", as the rest of the article hadn't yet been updated to clarify the difference between topological holes in a negative space and holes in a solid object. As it stands, "ellipse" is probably the better word for the purposes of describing the picture for the transcript, rather than "ellipsis" for the missing material it is depicting. If I've slipped up anywhere else, please feel free to fix. [[Special:Contributions/172.68.66.63\|172.68.66.63]] 00:45, 3 June 2022 (UTC)		To the editor who corrected the "ellipsis" in the transcript, not sure if you're reading the discussion, but it was deliberate and I do know the difference - the whole reason I noticed the ellipses/ellipses double meaning was because I was trying to replace the word "hole", as the rest of the article hadn't yet been updated to clarify the difference between topological holes in a negative space and holes in a solid object. As it stands, "ellipse" is probably the better word for the purposes of describing the picture for the transcript, rather than "ellipsis" for the missing material it is depicting. If I've slipped up anywhere else, please feel free to fix. [[Special:Contributions/172.68.66.63\|172.68.66.63]] 00:45, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
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		+	The fact that the volleyball net creates a hole is absolutely correct. (I'm sure) the configuration is in the rules, including at least the approximate height of the open space under the net. Critically, touching the net is a violation. But temporarily moving under it is not, as long as one doesn't interfere with the opposing team. A net that started from the floor would change the game dramatically, since not even toes could ever legally be extended under it.
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	Amused that the citation needed comment on swimming pools being filled with water is not fulfilled by the wikilink for Olympic-sized swimming pools, as that article does not explicitly state anywhere that the pool should be filled with water! [[Special:Contributions/172.68.146.81\|172.68.146.81]] 03:16, 1 June 2022 (UTC)		Amused that the citation needed comment on swimming pools being filled with water is not fulfilled by the wikilink for Olympic-sized swimming pools, as that article does not explicitly state anywhere that the pool should be filled with water! [[Special:Contributions/172.68.146.81\|172.68.146.81]] 03:16, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
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		+	To the editor who corrected the "ellipsis" in the transcript, not sure if you're reading the discussion, but it was deliberate and I do know the difference - the whole reason I noticed the ellipses/ellipses double meaning was because I was trying to replace the word "hole", as the rest of the article hadn't yet been updated to clarify the difference between topological holes in a negative space and holes in a solid object. As it stands, "ellipse" is probably the better word for the purposes of describing the picture for the transcript, rather than "ellipsis" for the missing material it is depicting. If I've slipped up anywhere else, please feel free to fix. [[Special:Contributions/172.68.66.63\|172.68.66.63]] 00:45, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

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	Can someone please clarify or remove the parenthesis about "points, in different disconnected topologies"? The fact that loops around a hole cannot be moved to loops that aren't around a hole is one thing, but where do the points or disconnected topologies come in? Or is it a separate concept, of points existing in one topology not existing in another one because there is a hole there? [[Special:Contributions/172.68.146.81\|172.68.146.81]] 02:51, 1 June 2022 (UTC)		Can someone please clarify or remove the parenthesis about "points, in different disconnected topologies"? The fact that loops around a hole cannot be moved to loops that aren't around a hole is one thing, but where do the points or disconnected topologies come in? Or is it a separate concept, of points existing in one topology not existing in another one because there is a hole there? [[Special:Contributions/172.68.146.81\|172.68.146.81]] 02:51, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
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	:Call yourself <s>a pudding, you Yorkshire</s> a Yorkshire, you pudding!?! It is far from uncommon to call {{w\|Rugby_league\|the game of 'rugby'}} by the name of "football" in the real heartlands of the sport... Though I doubt that this terminology has encroached into the US, what with their obsession with body-armour to slow things down and then taking a two-minute breather for every other minute of actual play in their peculiar version of handegg... ;) (I'm not casting aspersions upon their choices of sports, though, I hear they're fairly keen on rounders, which is actually slightly faster paced than even our one-day cricket...) [[Special:Contributions/172.70.162.5\|172.70.162.5]] 10:20, 31 May 2022 (UTC)		:Call yourself <s>a pudding, you Yorkshire</s> a Yorkshire, you pudding!?! It is far from uncommon to call {{w\|Rugby_league\|the game of 'rugby'}} by the name of "football" in the real heartlands of the sport... Though I doubt that this terminology has encroached into the US, what with their obsession with body-armour to slow things down and then taking a two-minute breather for every other minute of actual play in their peculiar version of handegg... ;) (I'm not casting aspersions upon their choices of sports, though, I hear they're fairly keen on rounders, which is actually slightly faster paced than even our one-day cricket...) [[Special:Contributions/172.70.162.5\|172.70.162.5]] 10:20, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
	::Ah, cobblers. It <i>is</i> uncommon to call anything other than the kicking of a round ball "football", even in the realm of the oval-balled faithful. Ask A. N. Other resident of the West Riding about football - they're not going to think you mean Trinity, Tigers or Hull K.R. [[User:Yorkshire Pudding\|Yorkshire Pudding]] ([[User talk:Yorkshire Pudding\|talk]]) 23:53, 31 May 2022 (UTC)		::Ah, cobblers. It <i>is</i> uncommon to call anything other than the kicking of a round ball "football", even in the realm of the oval-balled faithful. Ask A. N. Other resident of the West Riding about football - they're not going to think you mean Trinity, Tigers or Hull K.R. [[User:Yorkshire Pudding\|Yorkshire Pudding]] ([[User talk:Yorkshire Pudding\|talk]]) 23:53, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
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		+	Can someone please clarify or remove the parenthesis about "points, in different disconnected topologies"? The fact that loops around a hole cannot be moved to loops that aren't around a hole is one thing, but where do the points or disconnected topologies come in? Or is it a separate concept, of points existing in one topology not existing in another one because there is a hole there? [[Special:Contributions/172.68.146.81\|172.68.146.81]] 02:51, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

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	Leaving the nets in place on a soccer field which is also used for other activities is not that usual, but it's not unheard of and does make easy sense of the lack of topological holes (and is easily explained by an American's likely unfamiliarity with common soccer-apparatus practice). H-shaped American-football posts have holes bounded by the ground, uprights and crossbar; these holes exist physically and may be described topologically, irrespective of their irrelevance to gameplay. [[User:Yorkshire Pudding\|Yorkshire Pudding]] ([[User talk:Yorkshire Pudding\|talk]]) 09:24, 31 May 2022 (UTC)		Leaving the nets in place on a soccer field which is also used for other activities is not that usual, but it's not unheard of and does make easy sense of the lack of topological holes (and is easily explained by an American's likely unfamiliarity with common soccer-apparatus practice). H-shaped American-football posts have holes bounded by the ground, uprights and crossbar; these holes exist physically and may be described topologically, irrespective of their irrelevance to gameplay. [[User:Yorkshire Pudding\|Yorkshire Pudding]] ([[User talk:Yorkshire Pudding\|talk]]) 09:24, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
	:Call yourself <s>a pudding, you Yorkshire</s> a Yorkshire, you pudding!?! It is far from uncommon to call {{w\|Rugby_league\|the game of 'rugby'}} by the name of "football" in the real heartlands of the sport... Though I doubt that this terminology has encroached into the US, what with their obsession with body-armour to slow things down and then taking a two-minute breather for every other minute of actual play in their peculiar version of handegg... ;) (I'm not casting aspersions upon their choices of sports, though, I hear they're fairly keen on rounders, which is actually slightly faster paced than even our one-day cricket...) [[Special:Contributions/172.70.162.5\|172.70.162.5]] 10:20, 31 May 2022 (UTC)		:Call yourself <s>a pudding, you Yorkshire</s> a Yorkshire, you pudding!?! It is far from uncommon to call {{w\|Rugby_league\|the game of 'rugby'}} by the name of "football" in the real heartlands of the sport... Though I doubt that this terminology has encroached into the US, what with their obsession with body-armour to slow things down and then taking a two-minute breather for every other minute of actual play in their peculiar version of handegg... ;) (I'm not casting aspersions upon their choices of sports, though, I hear they're fairly keen on rounders, which is actually slightly faster paced than even our one-day cricket...) [[Special:Contributions/172.70.162.5\|172.70.162.5]] 10:20, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
		+	::Ah, cobblers. It <i>is</i> uncommon to call anything other than the kicking of a round ball "football", even in the realm of the oval-balled faithful. Ask A. N. Other resident of the West Riding about football - they're not going to think you mean Trinity, Tigers or Hull K.R. [[User:Yorkshire Pudding\|Yorkshire Pudding]] ([[User talk:Yorkshire Pudding\|talk]]) 23:53, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

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 : I looked up the goal thing and found that what I was imagining are called H-frame or H-style goal posts. Not the norm; the have two posts instead of one. I'm a weirdo that I thought they were what was up. But Randall could have been thinking of H-frame goals. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.230.63|172.70.230.63]] 15:04, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
 ::Many high school and amateur football fields still use H-frame goals. The resulting space can be used as a goal in some other sports. That does raise the question of why they didn't just have one field with lots of holes, and just plug the ones up that aren't needed for the sport being played. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.134.191|172.70.134.191]] 15:57, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
 Tetherball, in many variants, does contain an obstruction -- the pole, which you're not allowed to touch. The Topology Department is getting tired of having to switch out the fields. [[User:Noëlle|Noëlle]] ([[User talk:Noëlle|talk]]) 13:05, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

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	Leaving the nets in place on a soccer field which is also used for other activities is not that usual, but it's not unheard of and does make easy sense of the lack of topological holes (and is easily explained by an American's likely unfamiliarity with common soccer-apparatus practice). H-shaped American-football posts have holes bounded by the ground, uprights and crossbar; these holes exist physically and may be described topologically, irrespective of their irrelevance to gameplay. [[User:Yorkshire Pudding\|Yorkshire Pudding]] ([[User talk:Yorkshire Pudding\|talk]]) 09:24, 31 May 2022 (UTC)		Leaving the nets in place on a soccer field which is also used for other activities is not that usual, but it's not unheard of and does make easy sense of the lack of topological holes (and is easily explained by an American's likely unfamiliarity with common soccer-apparatus practice). H-shaped American-football posts have holes bounded by the ground, uprights and crossbar; these holes exist physically and may be described topologically, irrespective of their irrelevance to gameplay. [[User:Yorkshire Pudding\|Yorkshire Pudding]] ([[User talk:Yorkshire Pudding\|talk]]) 09:24, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
		+	:Call yourself <s>a pudding, you Yorkshire</s> a Yorkshire, you pudding!?! It is far from uncommon to call {{w\|Rugby_league\|the game of 'rugby'}} by the name of "football" in the real heartlands of the sport... Though I doubt that this terminology has encroached into the US, what with their obsession with body-armour to slow things down and then taking a two-minute breather for every other minute of actual play in their peculiar version of handegg... ;) (I'm not casting aspersions upon their choices of sports, though, I hear they're fairly keen on rounders, which is actually slightly faster paced than even our one-day cricket...) [[Special:Contributions/172.70.162.5\|172.70.162.5]] 10:20, 31 May 2022 (UTC)