Talk:2707: Astronomy Numbers - Revision history

172.70.163.47: /* Ponytail gets religion */ new section

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‎Ponytail gets religion: new section

NiceGuy1 at 04:55, 10 December 2022

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172.68.66.114: Another calculation.

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Another calculation.

172.71.158.217: reply

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172.69.22.16: Trying

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Trying

162.158.79.189: Planck mass

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Planck mass

172.71.178.207 at 15:28, 7 December 2022

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172.70.91.75 at 09:44, 7 December 2022

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172.70.91.75 at 09:43, 7 December 2022

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172.71.178.207 at 06:44, 7 December 2022

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	::Yeah - you always get problems once the guilds start getting involved. Mind you, Hitchhiker's has been [https://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/SearchResults?an=douglas+adams&pn=guild guilded] itself.[[Special:Contributions/172.70.91.75\|172.70.91.75]] 09:43, 7 December 2022 (UTC)		::Yeah - you always get problems once the guilds start getting involved. Mind you, Hitchhiker's has been [https://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/SearchResults?an=douglas+adams&pn=guild guilded] itself.[[Special:Contributions/172.70.91.75\|172.70.91.75]] 09:43, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
	::: (Well, that was an honest typo. I know enough not to type the "u" in "gild", but my fingers clearly did not, or it was a Qwerty-crosskey. Still, it provoked a funny and intelligent response.) [[Special:Contributions/172.71.178.207\|172.71.178.207]] 15:28, 7 December 2022 (UTC)		::: (Well, that was an honest typo. I know enough not to type the "u" in "gild", but my fingers clearly did not, or it was a Qwerty-crosskey. Still, it provoked a funny and intelligent response.) [[Special:Contributions/172.71.178.207\|172.71.178.207]] 15:28, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
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		+	== Ponytail gets religion ==
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		+	Clearly, Ponytail is a Saganist. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.163.47\|172.70.163.47]] 11:12, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

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 ::Superscripts? You could have easily added the <nowiki><sup></nowiki><sup>''whatever''</sup><nowiki></sup></nowiki> to your copypasta. Not much work (much less work than my having to <nowiki><nowiki></nowiki> this explanation for you), especially given how much other typing you seem to have done... [[Special:Contributions/172.70.91.58|172.70.91.58]] 10:56, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
 :::I'm not sure you understand. I only typed the 14-20 word prompt prefix. The explanations above and below were generated by ChatGPT. [[Special:Contributions/172.71.154.158|172.71.154.158]] 18:15, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
 :[Take two, using the prompt prefix, "The following is the wikitext transcript from the latest xkcd comic. Please write an explanation of the comic in wikitext. The title text should be explained in a seperate paragraph at the end:"

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 :: ...my conclusion after doing a couple is that we're not going to be satisfied automating (at least with the prompt I was using from here) but it's a useful tool for producing simple explanations if operated manually. [[Special:Contributions/172.71.158.217|172.71.158.217]] 17:54, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
-Why is it as big as 65 mph? Where did the 65 mph figure have come from? A formula? Taking a linear change from minimum velocity (-500 m/s 12 weeks earlier), 4 days before the perihelion gives 86 kph (53 mph), three days gives just 64 kph (40 mph). But those are surely too big, since the rate of change of radial velocity would be slowest around perihelion and aphelion. I wouldn't expect the above-calculated rate of change until weeks out from perihelion. [[Special:Contributions/172.68.210.5|172.68.210.5]] 08:23, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
+Why is it as big as 65 mph? Where did the 65 mph figure have come from? A formula? Taking a linear change from minimum velocity (-500 m/s 12 weeks earlier), 4 days before the perihelion gives 86 km/h (53 mph), three days gives just 64 km/h (40 mph). But those are surely too big, since the rate of change of radial velocity would be slowest around perihelion and aphelion. I wouldn't expect the above-calculated rate of change until weeks out from perihelion. [[Special:Contributions/172.68.210.5|172.68.210.5]] 08:23, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
 :Using an ephemeris service, I get 27.6 m/s or 61.8 mph- a bit lower than Randall's record but still in the ballpark. The reason is probably because of the effect of the Moon's orbit on Earth. Of course it's not a huge effect, but when we're working in just a few miles per hour, it definitely has a monthly effect.
 Surely the really weird thing is an astronomer using non-SI units? [[Special:Contributions/172.70.86.12|172.70.86.12]] 09:40, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

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 : I'd like to see it with the past dozen recent transcripts before deciding, and would do it myself if work wasn't busting my butt this afternoon. Someone please go for it. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.214.151|172.70.214.151]] 20:01, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
 :: I tried just now, but it's hammered to the point of completely unusable, timing out and reporting errors, and then an alert message saying to be patient while they try to scale. I like the idea but I'm skeptical of how it will do on the immediately previous [[2706: Bendy]] and similar very visual gags. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.22.16|172.69.22.16]] 17:26, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
 Why is it as big as 65 mph? Where did the 65 mph figure have come from? A formula? Taking a linear change from minimum velocity (-500 m/s 12 weeks earlier), 4 days before the perihelion gives 86 kph (53 mph), three days gives just 64 kph (40 mph). But those are surely too big, since the rate of change of radial velocity would be slowest around perihelion and aphelion. I wouldn't expect the above-calculated rate of change until weeks out from perihelion. [[Special:Contributions/172.68.210.5|172.68.210.5]] 08:23, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

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 :'''Yea.''' Both have a few serious but easily  noticed and easily correctable flaws, but both are far better than the borderline-trolling six paragraph wall of text for the simple, silly joke we have at the moment. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.33.245|172.69.33.245]] 06:09, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
 : I'd like to see it with the past dozen recent transcripts before deciding, and would do it myself if work wasn't busting my butt this afternoon. Someone please go for it. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.214.151|172.70.214.151]] 20:01, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
 Why is it as big as 65 mph? Where did the 65 mph figure have come from? A formula? Taking a linear change from minimum velocity (-500 m/s 12 weeks earlier), 4 days before the perihelion gives 86 kph (53 mph), three days gives just 64 kph (40 mph). But those are surely too big, since the rate of change of radial velocity would be slowest around perihelion and aphelion. I wouldn't expect the above-calculated rate of change until weeks out from perihelion. [[Special:Contributions/172.68.210.5|172.68.210.5]] 08:23, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

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 This reminds me of how in the Planck system of units the derived unit of momentum has a value of approximately 6.5 kg m/s which is a strangely normal unit.
 [[Special:Contributions/172.70.206.204|172.70.206.204]] 22:35, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
 I so expected to see more references to the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy references since the description starts out like a quote from the Guide MK I. [[User:Wjbodin3|WJBodin3]] ([[User talk:Wjbodin3|talk]]) 01:05, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

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	:I take that as a bonus ref. There really aint any H2G2 links in the comic (aside from the assertion that Space Is Big, which isn't exactly its unique observation). Putting more in would be distracting. (Already, I think it's overguilded, lillywise, but not so much that I'd remove an excess link.) [[Special:Contributions/172.71.178.207\|172.71.178.207]] 06:44, 7 December 2022 (UTC)		:I take that as a bonus ref. There really aint any H2G2 links in the comic (aside from the assertion that Space Is Big, which isn't exactly its unique observation). Putting more in would be distracting. (Already, I think it's overguilded, lillywise, but not so much that I'd remove an excess link.) [[Special:Contributions/172.71.178.207\|172.71.178.207]] 06:44, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
	::Yeah - you always get problems once the guilds start getting involved. Mind you, Hitchhiker's has been [https://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/SearchResults?an=douglas+adams&pn=guild guilded] itself.[[Special:Contributions/172.70.91.75\|172.70.91.75]] 09:43, 7 December 2022 (UTC)		::Yeah - you always get problems once the guilds start getting involved. Mind you, Hitchhiker's has been [https://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/SearchResults?an=douglas+adams&pn=guild guilded] itself.[[Special:Contributions/172.70.91.75\|172.70.91.75]] 09:43, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
		+	::: (Well, that was an honest typo. I know enough not to type the "u" in "gild", but my fingers clearly did not, or it was a Qwerty-crosskey. Still, it provoked a funny and intelligent response.) [[Special:Contributions/172.71.178.207\|172.71.178.207]] 15:28, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

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	Just changed the "weight" of the Earth to the "mass", in the explanation. Apart from anything else, the weight of the Earth standing on a typical human('s feet?) is ''exactly equal'' to the weight of a typical human standing on the Earth. And things would be screwy, if not. And don't try to 'weigh' the Earth upon the surface of a duplicate Earth, that invokes a number of Health And Safety violations, at minimum, and the results would be questionable. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.91.58\|172.70.91.58]] 11:13, 6 December 2022 (UTC)		Just changed the "weight" of the Earth to the "mass", in the explanation. Apart from anything else, the weight of the Earth standing on a typical human('s feet?) is ''exactly equal'' to the weight of a typical human standing on the Earth. And things would be screwy, if not. And don't try to 'weigh' the Earth upon the surface of a duplicate Earth, that invokes a number of Health And Safety violations, at minimum, and the results would be questionable. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.91.58\|172.70.91.58]] 11:13, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
		+	:It would probably invoke a What If? as well.[[Special:Contributions/172.70.91.75\|172.70.91.75]] 09:44, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

	I interpreted the title text not as the 12-solar-mass star bending the light from laser pointers, but the laser pointers themselves "following" the star because they're close enough to it to orbit said star (or at least, on hyperbolic trajectories influenced by the star). [[User:Trimeta\|Trimeta]] ([[User talk:Trimeta\|talk]]) 16:46, 6 December 2022 (UTC)		I interpreted the title text not as the 12-solar-mass star bending the light from laser pointers, but the laser pointers themselves "following" the star because they're close enough to it to orbit said star (or at least, on hyperbolic trajectories influenced by the star). [[User:Trimeta\|Trimeta]] ([[User talk:Trimeta\|talk]]) 16:46, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

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	I so expected to see more references to the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy references since the description starts out like a quote from the Guide MK I. [[User:Wjbodin3\|WJBodin3]] ([[User talk:Wjbodin3\|talk]]) 01:05, 7 December 2022 (UTC)		I so expected to see more references to the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy references since the description starts out like a quote from the Guide MK I. [[User:Wjbodin3\|WJBodin3]] ([[User talk:Wjbodin3\|talk]]) 01:05, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
	:I take that as a bonus ref. There really aint any H2G2 links in the comic (aside from the assertion that Space Is Big, which isn't exactly its unique observation). Putting more in would be distracting. (Already, I think it's overguilded, lillywise, but not so much that I'd remove an excess link.) [[Special:Contributions/172.71.178.207\|172.71.178.207]] 06:44, 7 December 2022 (UTC)		:I take that as a bonus ref. There really aint any H2G2 links in the comic (aside from the assertion that Space Is Big, which isn't exactly its unique observation). Putting more in would be distracting. (Already, I think it's overguilded, lillywise, but not so much that I'd remove an excess link.) [[Special:Contributions/172.71.178.207\|172.71.178.207]] 06:44, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
		+	::Yeah - you always get problems once the guilds start getting involved. Mind you, Hitchhiker's has been [https://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/SearchResults?an=douglas+adams&pn=guild guilded] itself.[[Special:Contributions/172.70.91.75\|172.70.91.75]] 09:43, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

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	I so expected to see more references to the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy references since the description starts out like a quote from the Guide MK I. [[User:Wjbodin3\|WJBodin3]] ([[User talk:Wjbodin3\|talk]]) 01:05, 7 December 2022 (UTC)		I so expected to see more references to the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy references since the description starts out like a quote from the Guide MK I. [[User:Wjbodin3\|WJBodin3]] ([[User talk:Wjbodin3\|talk]]) 01:05, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
		+	:I take that as a bonus ref. There really aint any H2G2 links in the comic (aside from the assertion that Space Is Big, which isn't exactly its unique observation). Putting more in would be distracting. (Already, I think it's overguilded, lillywise, but not so much that I'd remove an excess link.) [[Special:Contributions/172.71.178.207\|172.71.178.207]] 06:44, 7 December 2022 (UTC)