Talk:2722: Etymonline - Revision history

Jkshapiro at 03:00, 12 November 2023

2023-11-12T03:00:34Z

172.70.90.29 at 08:33, 3 June 2023

2023-06-03T08:33:30Z

172.70.111.154 at 21:56, 2 June 2023

2023-06-02T21:56:06Z

172.70.162.158 at 10:37, 27 May 2023

2023-05-27T10:37:31Z

162.158.94.100 at 07:04, 27 May 2023

2023-05-27T07:04:31Z

Peregrine: Speculation about etym-online vs etymon-line

2023-01-29T17:01:58Z

Speculation about etym-online vs etymon-line

NiceGuy1 at 06:02, 21 January 2023

2023-01-21T06:02:43Z

These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For at 04:56, 16 January 2023

2023-01-16T04:56:34Z

172.69.62.25: correction: it's --> its

2023-01-15T11:57:45Z

correction: it's --> its

172.68.146.80: Clarifying(?!) the source of irony

2023-01-15T11:55:34Z

Clarifying(?!) the source of irony

@@ Line 6: / Line 6: @@
 :Fair enough; I'll try to clean it up [[User:Dextrous Fred|Dextrous Fred]] ([[User talk:Dextrous Fred|talk]]) 05:33, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
 ::Also the complainer could take use of this being a wiki and make the changes himself ;-) --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 09:56, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
 In the comic, french word "étymologie" is incorrectly spelled "ethimologie" which is referred to as "Old French". I wonder whether that mistake was done on purpose ?

← Older revision		Revision as of 08:33, 3 June 2023
Line 35:		Line 35:
	:Of course, neologisms and altered usages is the more general case, like there apparently is no sign or record of any ''original'' term for the toilet/WC/restroom/lavatory/bathroom/latrine of which these (and many, many more) are but adopted terms brought in (often) as euphemisms for the place-that-has-no-definite-name which we yet mostly understand from context. (Most are to do with "to wash", which is either a secondary function or even (bathroom) otherwise used in a different way. The "to rest" in "restroom" can be taken in many ways, but you'd strain to put it to the more functional use it gets put to. A watercloset is the small room with the water specifically laid on (piped or carried in by bucket/etc) for un-named purposes. Etc.) But that's more the case of something being given many names (in leiu of one) rather than being prior legitimate terminology being overriden by a single neologism with far less original precision. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.162.158\|172.70.162.158]] 10:37, 27 May 2023 (UTC)		:Of course, neologisms and altered usages is the more general case, like there apparently is no sign or record of any ''original'' term for the toilet/WC/restroom/lavatory/bathroom/latrine of which these (and many, many more) are but adopted terms brought in (often) as euphemisms for the place-that-has-no-definite-name which we yet mostly understand from context. (Most are to do with "to wash", which is either a secondary function or even (bathroom) otherwise used in a different way. The "to rest" in "restroom" can be taken in many ways, but you'd strain to put it to the more functional use it gets put to. A watercloset is the small room with the water specifically laid on (piped or carried in by bucket/etc) for un-named purposes. Etc.) But that's more the case of something being given many names (in leiu of one) rather than being prior legitimate terminology being overriden by a single neologism with far less original precision. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.162.158\|172.70.162.158]] 10:37, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

−	No Explanation of 'B-Limp'?	+	No Explanation of 'B-Limp'? {{w\|172.70.111.154\|21:56, 2 June 2023}}
		+	:Yes, there's definitely an Explanation of B-Limp. See (current, and long-standing) final paragraph. Links and everything. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.90.29\|172.70.90.29]] 08:33, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

← Older revision		Revision as of 21:56, 2 June 2023
Line 34:		Line 34:
	:More like it has become the ''de facto'' term for to "look up on the internet". I'm not sure you would "google for my car keys" before leaving the house in the morning, any more than "to hoover" covers any and all acts of cleaning, well beyond "to use a vacuum cleaner" (or to emulate one, like someone "hoovering up his soup, he was so famished") even when it's a Dyson/whatever rather than a Hoover-branded one.		:More like it has become the ''de facto'' term for to "look up on the internet". I'm not sure you would "google for my car keys" before leaving the house in the morning, any more than "to hoover" covers any and all acts of cleaning, well beyond "to use a vacuum cleaner" (or to emulate one, like someone "hoovering up his soup, he was so famished") even when it's a Dyson/whatever rather than a Hoover-branded one.
	:Of course, neologisms and altered usages is the more general case, like there apparently is no sign or record of any ''original'' term for the toilet/WC/restroom/lavatory/bathroom/latrine of which these (and many, many more) are but adopted terms brought in (often) as euphemisms for the place-that-has-no-definite-name which we yet mostly understand from context. (Most are to do with "to wash", which is either a secondary function or even (bathroom) otherwise used in a different way. The "to rest" in "restroom" can be taken in many ways, but you'd strain to put it to the more functional use it gets put to. A watercloset is the small room with the water specifically laid on (piped or carried in by bucket/etc) for un-named purposes. Etc.) But that's more the case of something being given many names (in leiu of one) rather than being prior legitimate terminology being overriden by a single neologism with far less original precision. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.162.158\|172.70.162.158]] 10:37, 27 May 2023 (UTC)		:Of course, neologisms and altered usages is the more general case, like there apparently is no sign or record of any ''original'' term for the toilet/WC/restroom/lavatory/bathroom/latrine of which these (and many, many more) are but adopted terms brought in (often) as euphemisms for the place-that-has-no-definite-name which we yet mostly understand from context. (Most are to do with "to wash", which is either a secondary function or even (bathroom) otherwise used in a different way. The "to rest" in "restroom" can be taken in many ways, but you'd strain to put it to the more functional use it gets put to. A watercloset is the small room with the water specifically laid on (piped or carried in by bucket/etc) for un-named purposes. Etc.) But that's more the case of something being given many names (in leiu of one) rather than being prior legitimate terminology being overriden by a single neologism with far less original precision. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.162.158\|172.70.162.158]] 10:37, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
		+
		+	No Explanation of 'B-Limp'?

← Older revision		Revision as of 10:37, 27 May 2023
Line 32:		Line 32:
	Isn't the topic of this one how (the internet service) "google" has replaced the (plain english) word "search"?		Isn't the topic of this one how (the internet service) "google" has replaced the (plain english) word "search"?
	[[Special:Contributions/162.158.94.100\|162.158.94.100]] 07:04, 27 May 2023 (UTC)		[[Special:Contributions/162.158.94.100\|162.158.94.100]] 07:04, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
		+	:More like it has become the ''de facto'' term for to "look up on the internet". I'm not sure you would "google for my car keys" before leaving the house in the morning, any more than "to hoover" covers any and all acts of cleaning, well beyond "to use a vacuum cleaner" (or to emulate one, like someone "hoovering up his soup, he was so famished") even when it's a Dyson/whatever rather than a Hoover-branded one.
		+	:Of course, neologisms and altered usages is the more general case, like there apparently is no sign or record of any ''original'' term for the toilet/WC/restroom/lavatory/bathroom/latrine of which these (and many, many more) are but adopted terms brought in (often) as euphemisms for the place-that-has-no-definite-name which we yet mostly understand from context. (Most are to do with "to wash", which is either a secondary function or even (bathroom) otherwise used in a different way. The "to rest" in "restroom" can be taken in many ways, but you'd strain to put it to the more functional use it gets put to. A watercloset is the small room with the water specifically laid on (piped or carried in by bucket/etc) for un-named purposes. Etc.) But that's more the case of something being given many names (in leiu of one) rather than being prior legitimate terminology being overriden by a single neologism with far less original precision. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.162.158\|172.70.162.158]] 10:37, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

← Older revision		Revision as of 07:04, 27 May 2023
Line 29:		Line 29:

	Regarding the "how did future people miss the 'online' in 'etymonline'?" paragraph: My thought (influenced by "etymonlinguist") was that the word had been reanalysed as being derived from ''[https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/etymon etymon]'', perhaps ''etymon'' + ''line'' (as in a line of descent). But there's no direct evidence to support this in the comic itself. Does this seem plausible to anyone else? And would it be of use in the explanation, to temper the sense of "these future lexicographers are idiots" that it currently conveys? -- [[User:Peregrine\|Peregrine]] ([[User talk:Peregrine\|talk]]) 17:01, 29 January 2023 (UTC)		Regarding the "how did future people miss the 'online' in 'etymonline'?" paragraph: My thought (influenced by "etymonlinguist") was that the word had been reanalysed as being derived from ''[https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/etymon etymon]'', perhaps ''etymon'' + ''line'' (as in a line of descent). But there's no direct evidence to support this in the comic itself. Does this seem plausible to anyone else? And would it be of use in the explanation, to temper the sense of "these future lexicographers are idiots" that it currently conveys? -- [[User:Peregrine\|Peregrine]] ([[User talk:Peregrine\|talk]]) 17:01, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
		+
		+	Isn't the topic of this one how (the internet service) "google" has replaced the (plain english) word "search"?
		+	[[Special:Contributions/162.158.94.100\|162.158.94.100]] 07:04, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

← Older revision		Revision as of 17:01, 29 January 2023
Line 27:		Line 27:
	But was the Explanation Tag writer a ''cunning'' etymonlinguist? [[User:These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For\|These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For]] ([[User talk:These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For\|talk]]) 04:56, 16 January 2023 (UTC)		But was the Explanation Tag writer a ''cunning'' etymonlinguist? [[User:These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For\|These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For]] ([[User talk:These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For\|talk]]) 04:56, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
	:I see what you did there, though the "etym" ruins it. :) [[User:NiceGuy1\|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1\|talk]]) 06:02, 21 January 2023 (UTC)		:I see what you did there, though the "etym" ruins it. :) [[User:NiceGuy1\|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1\|talk]]) 06:02, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
		+
		+	Regarding the "how did future people miss the 'online' in 'etymonline'?" paragraph: My thought (influenced by "etymonlinguist") was that the word had been reanalysed as being derived from ''[https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/etymon etymon]'', perhaps ''etymon'' + ''line'' (as in a line of descent). But there's no direct evidence to support this in the comic itself. Does this seem plausible to anyone else? And would it be of use in the explanation, to temper the sense of "these future lexicographers are idiots" that it currently conveys? -- [[User:Peregrine\|Peregrine]] ([[User talk:Peregrine\|talk]]) 17:01, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

@@ Line 17: / Line 17: @@
 :Agree. Now Blimp is #1 and Etymology #3 as of now. Have made a screen shot with the date and ponder to insert it in the explanation under a trivia. --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 09:56, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
 ::I have added the image. If someone could knows hot change the size of the image shown I would be happy. Not sure how to do that. --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 10:28, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
 Shouldn't it be "folk etymonline"? [[Special:Contributions/172.68.35.26|172.68.35.26]] 18:57, 10 January 2023 (UTC) [[Special:Contributions/172.68.35.26|172.68.35.26]] 18:57, 10 January 2023 (UTC) [[Special:Contributions/172.68.35.26|172.68.35.26]] 18:57, 10 January 2023 (UTC) [[Special:Contributions/172.68.35.26|172.68.35.26]] 18:57, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
@@ Line 25: / Line 26: @@
 But was the Explanation Tag writer a ''cunning'' etymonlinguist? [[User:These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For|These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For]] ([[User talk:These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For|talk]]) 04:56, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

← Older revision		Revision as of 04:56, 16 January 2023
Line 23:		Line 23:
	What? No mention of the irony that an organization whose purpose is to preserve the history of words has accidentally done the opposite--supplanting and obscuring the word for the very thing they are trying to do?		What? No mention of the irony that an organization whose purpose is to preserve the history of words has accidentally done the opposite--supplanting and obscuring the word for the very thing they are trying to do?
	:(Documenting and) preserving the history of words is not the same as preserving words in their current usage. Hence providing a service that becomes so ubiquitous that its name supplants the previous word used to refer to the science on which that service is based is not in opposition to the service's aim of compiling a systematic collection of etymonlinear explanations. Indeed, it is an example of the changes in language absent which the science of etymonline would simply not exist. But I agree it's a bit ironic.		:(Documenting and) preserving the history of words is not the same as preserving words in their current usage. Hence providing a service that becomes so ubiquitous that its name supplants the previous word used to refer to the science on which that service is based is not in opposition to the service's aim of compiling a systematic collection of etymonlinear explanations. Indeed, it is an example of the changes in language absent which the science of etymonline would simply not exist. But I agree it's a bit ironic.
		+
		+	But was the Explanation Tag writer a ''cunning'' etymonlinguist? [[User:These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For\|These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For]] ([[User talk:These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For\|talk]]) 04:56, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

← Older revision		Revision as of 11:57, 15 January 2023
Line 22:		Line 22:

	What? No mention of the irony that an organization whose purpose is to preserve the history of words has accidentally done the opposite--supplanting and obscuring the word for the very thing they are trying to do?		What? No mention of the irony that an organization whose purpose is to preserve the history of words has accidentally done the opposite--supplanting and obscuring the word for the very thing they are trying to do?
−	:(Documenting and) preserving the history of words is not the same as preserving words in their current usage. Hence providing a service that becomes so ubiquitous that ~~it's~~ name supplants the previous word used to refer to the science on which that service is based is not in opposition to the service's aim of compiling a systematic collection of etymonlinear explanations. Indeed, it is an example of the changes in language absent which the science of etymonline would simply not exist. But I agree it's a bit ironic.	+	:(Documenting and) preserving the history of words is not the same as preserving words in their current usage. Hence providing a service that becomes so ubiquitous that its name supplants the previous word used to refer to the science on which that service is based is not in opposition to the service's aim of compiling a systematic collection of etymonlinear explanations. Indeed, it is an example of the changes in language absent which the science of etymonline would simply not exist. But I agree it's a bit ironic.

← Older revision		Revision as of 11:55, 15 January 2023
Line 22:		Line 22:

	What? No mention of the irony that an organization whose purpose is to preserve the history of words has accidentally done the opposite--supplanting and obscuring the word for the very thing they are trying to do?		What? No mention of the irony that an organization whose purpose is to preserve the history of words has accidentally done the opposite--supplanting and obscuring the word for the very thing they are trying to do?
		+	:(Documenting and) preserving the history of words is not the same as preserving words in their current usage. Hence providing a service that becomes so ubiquitous that it's name supplants the previous word used to refer to the science on which that service is based is not in opposition to the service's aim of compiling a systematic collection of etymonlinear explanations. Indeed, it is an example of the changes in language absent which the science of etymonline would simply not exist. But I agree it's a bit ironic.