Talk:2754: Relative Terms - Revision history

Psychoticpotato at 13:01, 6 May 2024

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Whoop whoop pull up at 03:53, 18 June 2023

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172.70.91.151 at 00:18, 4 April 2023

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NiceGuy1 at 04:57, 1 April 2023

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172.70.85.57 at 02:18, 29 March 2023

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172.71.254.14 at 20:55, 28 March 2023

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172.70.131.12 at 15:22, 28 March 2023

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172.69.79.132: How big can a steam calliope really get?

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How big can a steam calliope really get?

172.71.122.121: Added a comment on windmills, definitely not quiet things

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Added a comment on windmills, definitely not quiet things

172.71.242.202 at 08:21, 27 March 2023

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−	As I've seen pointed out elsewhere, on the weboweb by another presumed xkcdophile, the item (sometimes ~~refered~~ to as a "statue") involved in defining the ultimate culmination of Vladlen Tatarsky's activities, in St. Petersburg, was both smaller and (briefly) very much louder than a sewing machine... [[Special:Contributions/172.70.91.151\|172.70.91.151]] 00:18, 4 April 2023 (UTC)	+	As I've seen pointed out elsewhere, on the weboweb by another presumed xkcdophile, the item (sometimes referred to as a "statue") involved in defining the ultimate culmination of Vladlen Tatarsky's activities, in St. Petersburg, was both smaller and (briefly) very much louder than a sewing machine... [[Special:Contributions/172.70.91.151\|172.70.91.151]] 00:18, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
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		+	What if there was air between us and the Moon? Would it be loud then? [[User:Psychoticpotato\|Psychoticpotato]] ([[User talk:Psychoticpotato\|talk]]) 13:01, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

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 :I don't think the position in the quadrants is meant to indicate degree of loudness or size. [[User:Barmar|Barmar]] ([[User talk:Barmar|talk]]) 04:07, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
 ::Yes it is, that's how such graphs work. That's why sewing machine is in the middle, Randall is declaring that it's neither small nor big, and neither quiet nor loud, it's medium on both scales. Comics like this are roughly the standard X-Y graph but without numbered scales and having words instead of points. And I too noted that statues aren't maximum quiet, LOL! Maybe he's referring to the Doctor Who Weeping Angels? DO they make any sound? [[User:NiceGuy1|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1|talk]]) 05:29, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
 :::Well, that may be how such graphs sometimes work, but clearly not this one. The quadrants are positioned relative to the sewing machine, but that appears to be the only significance afforded to positioning in this layout - an item's position within its quadrant does not indicate the degree to which it qualifies as belonging there. Otherwise a firecracker and a blender would be quieter than a cricket. Unless Randall is referring to the crowd at a test match. But that seems pretty unlikely.[[User:Yorkshire Pudding|Yorkshire Pudding]] ([[User talk:Yorkshire Pudding|talk]]) 10:20, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
 ::::The fact that xkcd charts usually have arrows on the axes when the position within the quadrant does matter would support this claim. [[User:NcPenguin|NcPenguin]] ([[User talk:NcPenguin|talk]]) 16:45, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

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	I've never been more compelled to post this in a satire subreddit. This xkcd looks like it was written by someone with dimentia. {{unsigned ip\|172.70.131.12\|15:22, 28 March 2023}}		I've never been more compelled to post this in a satire subreddit. This xkcd looks like it was written by someone with dimentia. {{unsigned ip\|172.70.131.12\|15:22, 28 March 2023}}
	:Well, it is 2-Dimenti(on)al... Well spotted! [[Special:Contributions/172.70.85.57\|172.70.85.57]] 02:18, 29 March 2023 (UTC)		:Well, it is 2-Dimenti(on)al... Well spotted! [[Special:Contributions/172.70.85.57\|172.70.85.57]] 02:18, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
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		+	As I've seen pointed out elsewhere, on the weboweb by another presumed xkcdophile, the item (sometimes refered to as a "statue") involved in defining the ultimate culmination of Vladlen Tatarsky's activities, in St. Petersburg, was both smaller and (briefly) very much louder than a sewing machine... [[Special:Contributions/172.70.91.151\|172.70.91.151]] 00:18, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

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 ::::I am certain that this is how Randall does such graphs, and intended with this one, but he got sloppy this time. I suspect he WAS doing that, but then would think of something quieter (or louder or bigger or smaller) and have left himself no room to indicate this (like he already put "Volcano" at the biggest before he decided to add the even bigger "Moon", so now they're both at the bottom of the graph). So, yes, gradation IS supposed to be indicated, but very loosely, not vigilantly. [[User:NiceGuy1|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1|talk]]) 04:22, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
 :::::I'm not sure what your certainty is based on, but I don't think you're correct about Randall's intentions with this chart. [[Special:Contributions/172.71.254.14|172.71.254.14]] 20:55, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
 :::Gartner Magic Quadrants include arrows on the axes, e.g. "completeness of vision -->" and "ability to execute-->".  This is not that.  However it is '''mostly''' implied by the contents of each quadrant that the items are arranged smallest to biggest (top-down) and quietest to loudest (left-to-right). I think for those who study the items carefully, this then introduces some situational irony for comedic effect in the way of the unexpected placement of certain items like "statues" (louder than a Giraffe?), "baby" (smaller than a harmonica?), and "cannon" (quieter than a riding mower?).  Additionally, having spent time in a quiet room with a cricket, I think the "maximally loud" position of the cricket here feels about right. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.179.61|172.70.179.61]] 16:44, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

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	I have found that the loudness of a sewing machine is definitely related to how old the machine is. I've got a 70-yr-old electric Singer, and my friend has a very recent model sewing machine, and mine is less than a quarter of the loudness, especially when thoroughly oiled. His sounds like a push-style lawnmower. I had no idea sewing machines were so loud until I met modern sewing machines. [[User:Thisfox\|Thisfox]] ([[User talk:Thisfox\|talk]]) 19:38, 26 March 2023 (UTC)		I have found that the loudness of a sewing machine is definitely related to how old the machine is. I've got a 70-yr-old electric Singer, and my friend has a very recent model sewing machine, and mine is less than a quarter of the loudness, especially when thoroughly oiled. His sounds like a push-style lawnmower. I had no idea sewing machines were so loud until I met modern sewing machines. [[User:Thisfox\|Thisfox]] ([[User talk:Thisfox\|talk]]) 19:38, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

−	I've never been more compelled to post this in a satire subreddit. This xkcd looks like it was written by someone with dimentia.	+	I've never been more compelled to post this in a satire subreddit. This xkcd looks like it was written by someone with dimentia. {{unsigned ip\|172.70.131.12\|15:22, 28 March 2023}}
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	I have found that the loudness of a sewing machine is definitely related to how old the machine is. I've got a 70-yr-old electric Singer, and my friend has a very recent model sewing machine, and mine is less than a quarter of the loudness, especially when thoroughly oiled. His sounds like a push-style lawnmower. I had no idea sewing machines were so loud until I met modern sewing machines. [[User:Thisfox\|Thisfox]] ([[User talk:Thisfox\|talk]]) 19:38, 26 March 2023 (UTC)		I have found that the loudness of a sewing machine is definitely related to how old the machine is. I've got a 70-yr-old electric Singer, and my friend has a very recent model sewing machine, and mine is less than a quarter of the loudness, especially when thoroughly oiled. His sounds like a push-style lawnmower. I had no idea sewing machines were so loud until I met modern sewing machines. [[User:Thisfox\|Thisfox]] ([[User talk:Thisfox\|talk]]) 19:38, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
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	Does this mean that the steam calliopes which are as loud as an airplane are LARGER than that airplane? I'm not finding any examples of such. [[User:Ikidre\|Ikidre]] ([[User talk:Ikidre\|talk]]) 01:31, 25 March 2023 (UTC)		Does this mean that the steam calliopes which are as loud as an airplane are LARGER than that airplane? I'm not finding any examples of such. [[User:Ikidre\|Ikidre]] ([[User talk:Ikidre\|talk]]) 01:31, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
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		+	:There isn't a meaningful upper limit on the size of a steam calliope (other than the expensive of manufacturing and operating it). Planes have more practical upper limits, given that they're at least ''nominally'' supposed to fly. --[[Special:Contributions/172.69.79.132\|172.69.79.132]] 11:31, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

	Holy shit what a terrible comic [[Special:Contributions/172.68.58.130\|172.68.58.130]] 02:24, 25 March 2023 (UTC)		Holy shit what a terrible comic [[Special:Contributions/172.68.58.130\|172.68.58.130]] 02:24, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

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 ::::Book printing, however, is quite loud. -- [[User:Hkmaly|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly|talk]]) 19:37, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
 How is a windmill quieter than a sewing machine? Looks like Randall never went up close to one :) Wind turbines make around 100 dB (of course you never stand close enough to experience it at this level), and the old timey windmills or water mills were very loud mechanisms too. --[[Special:Contributions/162.158.106.112|162.158.106.112]] 15:37, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
 Either I haven't been used to his sewing machines and  waterfalls, but many waterfalls --very arguably most  are about the size  of a badly leaky faucet in volume --  much quieter than the sewing machines I'm used to.
 I have found that the loudness of a sewing machine is definitely related to how old the machine is. I've got a 70-yr-old electric Singer, and my friend has a very recent model sewing machine, and mine is less than a quarter of the loudness, especially when thoroughly oiled. His sounds like a push-style lawnmower. I had no idea sewing machines were so loud until I met modern sewing machines. [[User:Thisfox|Thisfox]] ([[User talk:Thisfox|talk]]) 19:38, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

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 ::::The fact that xkcd charts usually have arrows on the axes when the position within the quadrant does matter would support this claim. [[User:NcPenguin|NcPenguin]] ([[User talk:NcPenguin|talk]]) 16:45, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
 :::::Came here to point out that I’ve heard a mouse that somehow got in scritch-scritching n something in my kitchen, and I’ve heard a butterfly that somehow got in battering against a window trying to get out, but I’ve never in my life heard an ant, nor even a hundred ants working together to wreck stuff. But as you pointed out, there are no arrows on the chart, so the positions in the quadrants probably aren’t intended to be meaningful.[[Special:Contributions/172.69.34.10|172.69.34.10]] 21:56, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
-::::::To support that further, while buns (pastry) and buns (lagomorph) are probably both quieter than a sewing machine, the latter is generally significantly louder than the former, so co-locating them wouldn't work.[[Special:Contributions/172.70.90.35|172.70.90.35]] 08:20, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
+::::::To support that further, while buns (pastry) and buns (lagomorph) are probably both quieter than a sewing machine, the latter is generally significantly louder than the former (as well as most everything else in that quadrant), so co-locating them wouldn't work.[[Special:Contributions/172.70.90.35|172.70.90.35]] 08:20, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
 ::::I am certain that this is how Randall does such graphs, and intended with this one, but he got sloppy this time. I suspect he WAS doing that, but then would think of something quieter (or louder or bigger or smaller) and have left himself no room to indicate this (like he already put "Volcano" at the biggest before he decided to add the even bigger "Moon", so now they're both at the bottom of the graph). So, yes, gradation IS supposed to be indicated, but very loosely, not vigilantly. [[User:NiceGuy1|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1|talk]]) 04:22, 26 March 2023 (UTC)