Talk:2781: The Six Platonic Solids - Revision history

172.71.178.66 at 10:24, 23 January 2024

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172.71.242.205 at 10:20, 23 January 2024

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141.101.99.145 at 09:28, 23 January 2024

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172.70.86.186 at 19:18, 20 July 2023

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ConlangGuide: Added new timestamp

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ClassicalGames: Where does the tetrahedron go?

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Where does the tetrahedron go?

172.70.85.110: No legitimate reason for removal. Needs to be here on general principle that, without a clear reason, you don't edit others' words.

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No legitimate reason for removal. Needs to be here on general principle that, *without a clear reason*, you don't edit others' words.

162.158.166.205 at 23:01, 11 July 2023

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172.70.91.53 at 08:06, 11 July 2023

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ConlangGuide at 06:44, 11 July 2023

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 :But... Take a regular polygon (...as in a "flat shape that has equal angles/side-lengths and no internal angles"...) join it up with other (identical) polygons to create a regular ''3D'' shape. The Platonic solids are the full set of these that aren't: a) flat, an infinite plane, b) angled both inwards and outwards, c) self-crossing its surfaces, d) leaves gaps, e) have different-looking corners, ....etc.
 :It can be shown that (given the above restrictions): a square can be used only to make a cube; a triangle can make a tetrahedron (triangular-based pyramid), an octahedron (two square-based pyramids stuck base-to-base) or an icosahedron (a twenty-sided solid); a pentagon can make a dodecahedron (a twelve-sided solid); no other combinations are possible. Hexagons will tile infinitly (or create a flat 'double-sided' free-floating hexagonal plate) heptagons and more won't even tile. There are thus five of these 'basic' regular solids, described by/ascribed to Plato, as seen (discounting the jorb).
-:Further 'regular' shapes exist if you undo some of the restrictions (infinite sheets, alternating in-and-out angles, using regular self-crossing shapes and/or allowing the shapes to cross each other whilst forming the solid, etc... e.g. for which someone else recently added links to the additional set of 'stellated' regular polyhedra). Or abandon Euclidean space/expand beyond three dimensions (both of which make Platonic solids no longer fully valid, at the same time. And if you consider "convex polyhedra" beyond you, at this point where you've already seen links to a potential wikiwalk to fill in gaps in your knowledge about what these terms mean, then I'm not sure what more I can say. Either here or in the main Explanation. Not without hand-holding you through points that I learnt in maths lessons when I was no more than 11 (and probably already knew, at least in parts). Can't account for current practice, or the localised curriculum that you were taught, of course, but then a 'refresher' or post-education 'filler' lesson isn't going to be possible just through a paragraph or two of blind monologue.
+:Further 'regular' shapes exist if you undo some of the restrictions (infinite sheets, alternating in-and-out angles, using regular self-crossing shapes and/or allowing the shapes to cross each other whilst forming the solid, etc... e.g. for which someone else recently added links to the additional set of 'stellated' regular polyhedra). Or abandon Euclidean space/expand beyond three dimensions (both of which make Platonic solids no longer fully valid, at the same time). And if you consider "regular convex polyhedra" beyond you, at this point where you've already seen links to a potential wikiwalk to fill in gaps in your knowledge about what these terms mean, then I'm not sure what more I can say. Either here or in the main Explanation. Not without hand-holding you through points that I learnt in maths lessons when I was no more than 11 (and probably already knew, at least in parts). Can't account for current practice, or the localised curriculum that you were taught, of course, but then a 'refresher' or post-education remedial 'filler' lesson isn't going to be possible just through a paragraph or two of blind monologue. Check the links, and ask more specific questions than just not understanding any of it. [[Special:Contributions/172.71.178.66|172.71.178.66]] 10:24, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

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	It does kinda feel like you all are oblivious to the fact that lots of people won't have a blind clue what any of this actually means. Can someone please translate the explanation from mathematical gibberish to language a lay-imbecile such as myself could understand? What actually is a platonic solid might be somewhere to start, in words like 'edges' and 'faces', instead of this 'convexual polyhydra' nonsense... Thanks. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.99.145\|141.101.99.145]] 09:28, 23 January 2024 (UTC)		It does kinda feel like you all are oblivious to the fact that lots of people won't have a blind clue what any of this actually means. Can someone please translate the explanation from mathematical gibberish to language a lay-imbecile such as myself could understand? What actually is a platonic solid might be somewhere to start, in words like 'edges' and 'faces', instead of this 'convexual polyhydra' nonsense... Thanks. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.99.145\|141.101.99.145]] 09:28, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
		+	:It's all there in the links. And nobody says "convexual polyhydra" on the page, except you.
		+	:But... Take a regular polygon (...as in a "flat shape that has equal angles/side-lengths and no internal angles"...) join it up with other (identical) polygons to create a regular ''3D'' shape. The Platonic solids are the full set of these that aren't: a) flat, an infinite plane, b) angled both inwards and outwards, c) self-crossing its surfaces, d) leaves gaps, e) have different-looking corners, ....etc.
		+	:It can be shown that (given the above restrictions): a square can be used only to make a cube; a triangle can make a tetrahedron (triangular-based pyramid), an octahedron (two square-based pyramids stuck base-to-base) or an icosahedron (a twenty-sided solid); a pentagon can make a dodecahedron (a twelve-sided solid); no other combinations are possible. Hexagons will tile infinitly (or create a flat 'double-sided' free-floating hexagonal plate) heptagons and more won't even tile. There are thus five of these 'basic' regular solids, described by/ascribed to Plato, as seen (discounting the jorb).
		+	:Further 'regular' shapes exist if you undo some of the restrictions (infinite sheets, alternating in-and-out angles, using regular self-crossing shapes and/or allowing the shapes to cross each other whilst forming the solid, etc... e.g. for which someone else recently added links to the additional set of 'stellated' regular polyhedra). Or abandon Euclidean space/expand beyond three dimensions (both of which make Platonic solids no longer fully valid, at the same time. And if you consider "convex polyhedra" beyond you, at this point where you've already seen links to a potential wikiwalk to fill in gaps in your knowledge about what these terms mean, then I'm not sure what more I can say. Either here or in the main Explanation. Not without hand-holding you through points that I learnt in maths lessons when I was no more than 11 (and probably already knew, at least in parts). Can't account for current practice, or the localised curriculum that you were taught, of course, but then a 'refresher' or post-education 'filler' lesson isn't going to be possible just through a paragraph or two of blind monologue.

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	Looks like an ocarina to me [[Special:Contributions/172.70.86.186\|172.70.86.186]] 19:18, 20 July 2023 (UTC)		Looks like an ocarina to me [[Special:Contributions/172.70.86.186\|172.70.86.186]] 19:18, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
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		+	It does kinda feel like you all are oblivious to the fact that lots of people won't have a blind clue what any of this actually means. Can someone please translate the explanation from mathematical gibberish to language a lay-imbecile such as myself could understand? What actually is a platonic solid might be somewhere to start, in words like 'edges' and 'faces', instead of this 'convexual polyhydra' nonsense... Thanks. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.99.145\|141.101.99.145]] 09:28, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

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	I wonder if this is relevant: http://www.hrwiki.org/wiki/A_Jorb_Well_Done {{unsigned ip\|162.158.62.141\|3:47, 2 July 2023}}		I wonder if this is relevant: http://www.hrwiki.org/wiki/A_Jorb_Well_Done {{unsigned ip\|162.158.62.141\|3:47, 2 July 2023}}
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		+	Looks like an ocarina to me [[Special:Contributions/172.70.86.186\|172.70.86.186]] 19:18, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

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 So, I think this explanation is under-focused on the actual joke. The core humor here is the idea that "Platonic Solid" means "Solids Plato made" and not regular polyhedra at all. "Mathmetitions long believed there were five platonic solids, all regular polyhedra" So the jorb is explicitly a platonic solid that is not a regular polyhedra. Our explanation should point out then, things like the fact that the platonic solids predate Plato.
-There is no doubt that the cube is the most common, but today a strange force made a lot of tetrahedron objects appear. This happens every year. [[User:ConlangGuide|ConlangGuide]] ([[User talk:ConlangGuide|talk]]) 06:44, 11 July 2023 (UTC); 09:07, 9 July 2023 (UTC); 06:07, 8 July 2023 (UTC); 06:17, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
+There is no doubt that the cube is the most common, but today a strange force made a lot of tetrahedron objects appear. This happens every year. [[User:ConlangGuide|ConlangGuide]] ([[User talk:ConlangGuide|talk]]) 06:23, 12 July 2023 (UTC); 06:44, 11 July 2023 (UTC); 09:07, 9 July 2023 (UTC); 06:07, 8 July 2023 (UTC); 06:17, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
 :They get either eaten or thrown into the water. [[User:ClassicalGames|ClassicalGames]] ([[User talk:ClassicalGames|talk]]) 04:53, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

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 There is no doubt that the cube is the most common, but today a strange force made a lot of tetrahedron objects appear. This happens every year. [[User:ConlangGuide|ConlangGuide]] ([[User talk:ConlangGuide|talk]]) 06:44, 11 July 2023 (UTC); 09:07, 9 July 2023 (UTC); 06:07, 8 July 2023 (UTC); 06:17, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
 :I'd like the answer to two questions:
 :# What is CG even talking about?

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 :...maybe the answer to one will answer the other, but I've a feeling they're  entirely unconnected. Perhaps one (or both?) just trolling. Yet, unless 7/7 is International Dungeons&Dragons™ Day, or something, neither even close to what I'm imagining it's about. [[Special:Contributions/172.71.242.96|172.71.242.96]] 10:50, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
 ::That post first appeared in June. [[Special:Contributions/172.71.154.17|172.71.154.17]] 23:45, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
 I wonder if this is relevant: http://www.hrwiki.org/wiki/A_Jorb_Well_Done {{unsigned ip|162.158.62.141|3:47, 2 July 2023}}