Talk:2792: Summer Solstice - Revision history

172.69.195.181 at 08:48, 7 May 2024

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Psychoticpotato at 16:44, 6 May 2024

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172.71.160.110: Timeanddate link added

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Timeanddate link added

172.70.114.17 at 14:41, 24 June 2023

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172.70.110.60 at 14:02, 24 June 2023

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172.70.115.64 at 13:53, 24 June 2023

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NiceGuy1 at 06:45, 24 June 2023

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172.69.79.159 at 23:01, 23 June 2023

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Ansarya: asking for a citation to the claim of the comic that latest sunset is 20203-06-28

2023-06-23T21:54:04Z

asking for a citation to the claim of the comic that latest sunset is 20203-06-28

BunsenH: abian

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abian

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	I think this is a Frisky Dingo reference to some degree. [[User:Psychoticpotato\|Psychoticpotato]] ([[User talk:Psychoticpotato\|talk]]) 16:44, 6 May 2024 (UTC)		I think this is a Frisky Dingo reference to some degree. [[User:Psychoticpotato\|Psychoticpotato]] ([[User talk:Psychoticpotato\|talk]]) 16:44, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
		+	:# Quickly looking up {{w\|Frisky Dingo}} on Wikipedia, as I never knew about it before now, it says it parodied (supervillain-related, etc) tropes. And xkcd is often parodying that kind of trope. Probably just more a case of both referencing of the same long run of prior 'original' tropes from other (parodying and non-parodying) source material, essentially in parallel. Unless we know Randall has made some direct references to FD before, we can't be certain he's even aware of it.
		+	:# If you think you have a useful bit of info (maybe not the above, IMO), integrate it properly into the article rather than leave it hanging down here like this. (You could ask if ''anyone else'' thought that "something-or-other might be a refererence to Hoojamaflip", and see if it sparks someone else's agreement, perhaps... In this case, I think it's tenuous, and any response to it might be as above.)
		+	:# You're leaving seemingly random comments on many explanation Talk Pages, mostly brief and not all adding anything useful... The odd comment, or even an occasional long ramble, could be made judiciously and we'd take note. It's not Pokemon, you don't ''have'' to "catch 'em all". Enthusiasm is good, but don't mistake any old interaction with contribution.
		+	:Just my opinion (all three points), and I'm not claiming to be an authoritative voice for all, but I hope you at least read/understand what I'm getting at. Whatever you do then. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.195.181\|172.69.195.181]] 08:48, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

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	Here is a good explanation for the differences between solstices and latest sunset: https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/june-solstice.html		Here is a good explanation for the differences between solstices and latest sunset: https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/june-solstice.html
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		+	I think this is a Frisky Dingo reference to some degree. [[User:Psychoticpotato\|Psychoticpotato]] ([[User talk:Psychoticpotato\|talk]]) 16:44, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

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	: Just occurred to me that the comic title is Summer Solstice so maybe he only wants to fix the summer (in Northern hemisphere) solstice and does not care if his fix makes the discrepancy even worse between the winter solstice and latest sunrise / earliest sunset? --[[Special:Contributions/172.70.114.17\|172.70.114.17]] 14:41, 24 June 2023 (UTC)		: Just occurred to me that the comic title is Summer Solstice so maybe he only wants to fix the summer (in Northern hemisphere) solstice and does not care if his fix makes the discrepancy even worse between the winter solstice and latest sunrise / earliest sunset? --[[Special:Contributions/172.70.114.17\|172.70.114.17]] 14:41, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
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		+	Here is a good explanation for the differences between solstices and latest sunset: https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/june-solstice.html

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	I'm pretty sure this fix is not right: "making the solstices match the days of closest or furthest distance from the Sun (perihelion or aphelion)". The axial tilt makes the length of a solar day longer at both the summer and winter solstices (a preceding paragraph of the explanation has that right). To balance this out by just changing the orbit, we need the Earth to be moving most slowly (which would normally be when it is furthest from the sun) at _both_ solstices. So it wouldn't work to have one solstice be perihelion and the other by aphelion. I think it is really the speed of the Earth that needs to be changed, and normally that is based on distance from the Sun, but not if you have an engine capable of altering it. So, if Randall wanted to maintain the axial tilt and thus the solistices, I think he would need to be continuously operating his engine in order to make the Earth's speed slower at the solstices and faster at the equinoxes. --[[Special:Contributions/172.70.110.60\|172.70.110.60]] 14:02, 24 June 2023 (UTC)		I'm pretty sure this fix is not right: "making the solstices match the days of closest or furthest distance from the Sun (perihelion or aphelion)". The axial tilt makes the length of a solar day longer at both the summer and winter solstices (a preceding paragraph of the explanation has that right). To balance this out by just changing the orbit, we need the Earth to be moving most slowly (which would normally be when it is furthest from the sun) at _both_ solstices. So it wouldn't work to have one solstice be perihelion and the other by aphelion. I think it is really the speed of the Earth that needs to be changed, and normally that is based on distance from the Sun, but not if you have an engine capable of altering it. So, if Randall wanted to maintain the axial tilt and thus the solistices, I think he would need to be continuously operating his engine in order to make the Earth's speed slower at the solstices and faster at the equinoxes. --[[Special:Contributions/172.70.110.60\|172.70.110.60]] 14:02, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
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		+	: Just occurred to me that the comic title is Summer Solstice so maybe he only wants to fix the summer (in Northern hemisphere) solstice and does not care if his fix makes the discrepancy even worse between the winter solstice and latest sunrise / earliest sunset? --[[Special:Contributions/172.70.114.17\|172.70.114.17]] 14:41, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

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	Yup, total news to me that the summer solstice isn't both the earliest sunrise and latest sunset. :) [[User:NiceGuy1\|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1\|talk]]) 06:45, 24 June 2023 (UTC)		Yup, total news to me that the summer solstice isn't both the earliest sunrise and latest sunset. :) [[User:NiceGuy1\|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1\|talk]]) 06:45, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
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		+	I'm pretty sure this fix is not right: "making the solstices match the days of closest or furthest distance from the Sun (perihelion or aphelion)". The axial tilt makes the length of a solar day longer at both the summer and winter solstices (a preceding paragraph of the explanation has that right). To balance this out by just changing the orbit, we need the Earth to be moving most slowly (which would normally be when it is furthest from the sun) at _both_ solstices. So it wouldn't work to have one solstice be perihelion and the other by aphelion. I think it is really the speed of the Earth that needs to be changed, and normally that is based on distance from the Sun, but not if you have an engine capable of altering it. So, if Randall wanted to maintain the axial tilt and thus the solistices, I think he would need to be continuously operating his engine in order to make the Earth's speed slower at the solstices and faster at the equinoxes. --[[Special:Contributions/172.70.110.60\|172.70.110.60]] 14:02, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

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	:I think elliptical orbit with the Sun at the center is not stable. -- [[User:Hkmaly\|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly\|talk]]) 23:05, 22 June 2023 (UTC)		:I think elliptical orbit with the Sun at the center is not stable. -- [[User:Hkmaly\|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly\|talk]]) 23:05, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
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		+	::Yes but he has an engine. --[[Special:Contributions/172.70.115.64\|172.70.115.64]] 13:53, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

	While we're at it, can we please make the year, lunar phase period, and day neat ratios of one another? [[Special:Contributions/172.69.247.44\|172.69.247.44]] 13:52, 22 June 2023 (UTC)		While we're at it, can we please make the year, lunar phase period, and day neat ratios of one another? [[Special:Contributions/172.69.247.44\|172.69.247.44]] 13:52, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

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	So, "six days" does that mean June 28th, 2023 is the latest sunset of the year? I'm kind of shocked that there's not already a citation here showing this fact (if that's the actual day). Anyone? [[User:Ansarya\|Ansarya]] ([[User talk:Ansarya\|talk]]) 21:54, 23 June 2023 (UTC)		So, "six days" does that mean June 28th, 2023 is the latest sunset of the year? I'm kind of shocked that there's not already a citation here showing this fact (if that's the actual day). Anyone? [[User:Ansarya\|Ansarya]] ([[User talk:Ansarya\|talk]]) 21:54, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
	:It may change according to the place. According to some ephemera, I have at hand, Edinburgh (Scotland) has its earliest sunrise on 18th June, latest sunset on 24th June. London (England) 17th and 25th June, respectively. Pittsburgh (PA) is 14th and 27th/28th. Milan (Italy) 15th/16th and 26th/27th, etc. Both latitude (effecting the moment the Sun's path dips below the horizon) and longitude (how the exactly cyclic patterns cross the shifted day/night cycle) interact. Which means that it's highly dependent on where the xkcd characters ''are''. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.79.159\|172.69.79.159]] 23:01, 23 June 2023 (UTC)		:It may change according to the place. According to some ephemera, I have at hand, Edinburgh (Scotland) has its earliest sunrise on 18th June, latest sunset on 24th June. London (England) 17th and 25th June, respectively. Pittsburgh (PA) is 14th and 27th/28th. Milan (Italy) 15th/16th and 26th/27th, etc. Both latitude (effecting the moment the Sun's path dips below the horizon) and longitude (how the exactly cyclic patterns cross the shifted day/night cycle) interact. Which means that it's highly dependent on where the xkcd characters ''are''. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.79.159\|172.69.79.159]] 23:01, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
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		+	Yup, total news to me that the summer solstice isn't both the earliest sunrise and latest sunset. :) [[User:NiceGuy1\|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1\|talk]]) 06:45, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

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	So, "six days" does that mean June 28th, 2023 is the latest sunset of the year? I'm kind of shocked that there's not already a citation here showing this fact (if that's the actual day). Anyone? [[User:Ansarya\|Ansarya]] ([[User talk:Ansarya\|talk]]) 21:54, 23 June 2023 (UTC)		So, "six days" does that mean June 28th, 2023 is the latest sunset of the year? I'm kind of shocked that there's not already a citation here showing this fact (if that's the actual day). Anyone? [[User:Ansarya\|Ansarya]] ([[User talk:Ansarya\|talk]]) 21:54, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
		+	:It may change according to the place. According to some ephemera, I have at hand, Edinburgh (Scotland) has its earliest sunrise on 18th June, latest sunset on 24th June. London (England) 17th and 25th June, respectively. Pittsburgh (PA) is 14th and 27th/28th. Milan (Italy) 15th/16th and 26th/27th, etc. Both latitude (effecting the moment the Sun's path dips below the horizon) and longitude (how the exactly cyclic patterns cross the shifted day/night cycle) interact. Which means that it's highly dependent on where the xkcd characters ''are''. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.79.159\|172.69.79.159]] 23:01, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

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	-- Alexander Abian<br>		-- Alexander Abian<br>
	[[User:BunsenH\|BunsenH]] ([[User talk:BunsenH\|talk]]) 17:56, 23 June 2023 (UTC)		[[User:BunsenH\|BunsenH]] ([[User talk:BunsenH\|talk]]) 17:56, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
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		+	So, "six days" does that mean June 28th, 2023 is the latest sunset of the year? I'm kind of shocked that there's not already a citation here showing this fact (if that's the actual day). Anyone? [[User:Ansarya\|Ansarya]] ([[User talk:Ansarya\|talk]]) 21:54, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

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	Great Randal[l]s think alike... I had just posted [https://www.facebook.com/merlyn/posts/pfbid027XNEX93Yud8iU8LYbmvtw6B7QwSBfYJhkmMpaza3DXM6HENxTmuz623FhyzL5aQAl this to Facebook] a day before seeing Randall's work. [[User:RandalSchwartz\|RandalSchwartz]] ([[User talk:RandalSchwartz\|talk]]) 04:45, 23 June 2023 (UTC)		Great Randal[l]s think alike... I had just posted [https://www.facebook.com/merlyn/posts/pfbid027XNEX93Yud8iU8LYbmvtw6B7QwSBfYJhkmMpaza3DXM6HENxTmuz623FhyzL5aQAl this to Facebook] a day before seeing Randall's work. [[User:RandalSchwartz\|RandalSchwartz]] ([[User talk:RandalSchwartz\|talk]]) 04:45, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
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		+	ALTER EARTH'S ORBIT AND TILT - STOP GLOBAL DISASTERS AND EPIDEMICS<br>
		+	ALTER THE SOLAR SYSTEM. REORBIT VENUS INTO A NEAR EARTH-LIKE ORBIT<br>
		+	TO CREATE A BORN AGAIN EARTH (1990)<br>
		+	-- Alexander Abian<br>
		+	[[User:BunsenH\|BunsenH]] ([[User talk:BunsenH\|talk]]) 17:56, 23 June 2023 (UTC)