Talk:2799: Frankenstein Claim Permutations - Revision history

Ben at 22:04, 16 August 2023

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Ben at 22:00, 16 August 2023

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198.41.238.36 at 13:11, 29 July 2023

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MolochHamovis: Not yet a doctor.

2023-07-23T06:57:28Z

Not yet a doctor.

MolochHamovis: Not yet a doctor.

2023-07-23T06:55:05Z

Not yet a doctor.

MolochHamovis: As correctly stated, Victor was not yet a doctor. Never underestimate the motivated ABD. ~~~~

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As correctly stated, Victor was not yet a doctor. Never underestimate the motivated ABD. ~~~~

AndrewXKCD at 18:43, 12 July 2023

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Trogdor147: Misunderstanding

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Misunderstanding

Trogdor147 at 01:29, 11 July 2023

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Trogdor147 at 01:27, 11 July 2023

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 I swear, ever since I read [[1589: Frankenstein]] I've WANTED it to come up, to say "THIS is my canon", LOL! It's rather inconvenient that the monster is unnamed, and if he were it wouldn't be the more logical TITULAR name. I mean, at Hallowe'en kids tend to dress as the monster - though I've seen at least one thing (I want to guess Young Sheldon, or perhaps Old Sheldon, i.e. Big Bang Theory) where someone dressed as Victor and was like "I SAID I was dressing as Frankenstein!". :) [[User:NiceGuy1|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1|talk]]) 04:38, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
-"Intelligence is knowing that Frankenstein is not the monster. Wisdom is knowing that Frankenstein *is* the monster." Fittingly, History and Investigation are Intelligence-based, while Insight is Wisdon-based. --[[User:Coconut Galaxy|Coconut Galaxy]] ([[User talk:Coconut Galaxy|talk]]) 08:59, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
+"Intelligence is knowing that Frankenstein is not the monster. Wisdom is knowing that Frankenstein *is* the monster." Fittingly, History and Investigation are Intelligence-based, while Insight is Wisdom-based. --[[User:Coconut Galaxy|Coconut Galaxy]] ([[User talk:Coconut Galaxy|talk]]) 08:59, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
 The unanswered question is, who is the victor?[[Special:Contributions/172.70.85.131|172.70.85.131]] 11:27, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
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 The oft-forgotten subtitle of the book was ''The Modern Prometheus'', which, being that Prometheus gave fire and Victor gave life, means that the title is clearly about Victor and the "intelligence/wisdom" stuff is just an observation, though not a wrong one. [[User:AndrewXKCD|AndrewXKCD]] ([[User talk:AndrewXKCD|talk]]) 18:43, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
-Two levels of cleverness. Level One—you lnow that Frankenstein is not the monster. Level Two—you lnow that, actually, Frankenstein ''is'' the monster.[[Special:Contributions/198.41.238.36|198.41.238.36]] 13:11, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
+Two levels of cleverness. Level One—you know that Frankenstein is not the monster. Level Two—you know that, actually, Frankenstein ''is'' the monster.[[Special:Contributions/198.41.238.36|198.41.238.36]] 13:11, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
-Chaos itself: "No one knows the name of Doctor Mary Shelley, who is the monster that created the author of the novel titled 'Frankenstein'." [[User:Ben|Ben]] ([[User talk:Ben|talk]]) 22:00, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
+Chaos itself: "No one knows the name of the Doctor Mary Shelley, who is the monster that created the author of the novel titled 'Frankenstein'." [[User:Ben|Ben]] ([[User talk:Ben|talk]]) 22:04, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

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	Two levels of cleverness. Level One—you lnow that Frankenstein is not the monster. Level Two—you lnow that, actually, Frankenstein ''is'' the monster.[[Special:Contributions/198.41.238.36\|198.41.238.36]] 13:11, 29 July 2023 (UTC)		Two levels of cleverness. Level One—you lnow that Frankenstein is not the monster. Level Two—you lnow that, actually, Frankenstein ''is'' the monster.[[Special:Contributions/198.41.238.36\|198.41.238.36]] 13:11, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
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		+	Chaos itself: "No one knows the name of Doctor Mary Shelley, who is the monster that created the author of the novel titled 'Frankenstein'." [[User:Ben\|Ben]] ([[User talk:Ben\|talk]]) 22:00, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

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	The oft-forgotten subtitle of the book was ''The Modern Prometheus'', which, being that Prometheus gave fire and Victor gave life, means that the title is clearly about Victor and the "intelligence/wisdom" stuff is just an observation, though not a wrong one. [[User:AndrewXKCD\|AndrewXKCD]] ([[User talk:AndrewXKCD\|talk]]) 18:43, 12 July 2023 (UTC)		The oft-forgotten subtitle of the book was ''The Modern Prometheus'', which, being that Prometheus gave fire and Victor gave life, means that the title is clearly about Victor and the "intelligence/wisdom" stuff is just an observation, though not a wrong one. [[User:AndrewXKCD\|AndrewXKCD]] ([[User talk:AndrewXKCD\|talk]]) 18:43, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
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		+	Two levels of cleverness. Level One—you lnow that Frankenstein is not the monster. Level Two—you lnow that, actually, Frankenstein ''is'' the monster.[[Special:Contributions/198.41.238.36\|198.41.238.36]] 13:11, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

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 Very funny (I'd like to read that book myself) but ironic to be so aware of this controversy of detail without ever acknowledging that *Frankenstein is actually a student not a doctor.*
-Correctly stated, Victor was not yet a doctor. Never underestimate the motivated ABD. [[User:MolochHamovis|MolochHamovis]] ([[User talk:MolochHamovis|talk]]) 06:55, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
+Correct: Victor was not yet a doctor of any sort. Never underestimate the motivated ABD. [[User:MolochHamovis|MolochHamovis]] ([[User talk:MolochHamovis|talk]]) 06:55, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
 Should the title text explanation be after the table? —[[User:Purah126|Purah126]] ([[User talk:Purah126|talk]]) 13:38, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

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 Very funny (I'd like to read that book myself) but ironic to be so aware of this controversy of detail without ever acknowledging that *Frankenstein is actually a student not a doctor.*
+Correctly stated, Victor was not yet a doctor. Never underestimate the motivated ABD. [[User:MolochHamovis|MolochHamovis]] ([[User talk:MolochHamovis|talk]]) 06:55, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
 Should the title text explanation be after the table? —[[User:Purah126|Purah126]] ([[User talk:Purah126|talk]]) 13:38, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

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	Very funny (I'd like to read that book myself) but ironic to be so aware of this controversy of detail without ever acknowledging that Frankenstein is actually a student not a doctor.		Very funny (I'd like to read that book myself) but ironic to be so aware of this controversy of detail without ever acknowledging that Frankenstein is actually a student not a doctor.
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	Should the title text explanation be after the table? —[[User:Purah126\|Purah126]] ([[User talk:Purah126\|talk]]) 13:38, 8 July 2023 (UTC)		Should the title text explanation be after the table? —[[User:Purah126\|Purah126]] ([[User talk:Purah126\|talk]]) 13:38, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

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	It's a throwaway comment, and one which most readers seem to overlook, but the Creature IS named, exactly ONCE in the book: his name is Adam. It comes up in a conversation where the Creature says (I'm paraphrasing), "You called me Adam, I'd rather be called Satan now." The names are chosen by Shelley quite deliberately - Adam is mythologically the 'first' man, while 'satan' means 'enemy'. It marks the shift in their relationship to the adversarial one which will result in both their deaths. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.79.147\|172.69.79.147]] 04:45, 10 July 2023 (UTC)		It's a throwaway comment, and one which most readers seem to overlook, but the Creature IS named, exactly ONCE in the book: his name is Adam. It comes up in a conversation where the Creature says (I'm paraphrasing), "You called me Adam, I'd rather be called Satan now." The names are chosen by Shelley quite deliberately - Adam is mythologically the 'first' man, while 'satan' means 'enemy'. It marks the shift in their relationship to the adversarial one which will result in both their deaths. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.79.147\|172.69.79.147]] 04:45, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
	:I believe the phrase goes "I ''ought to be'' thy Adam" (my emphasis), and it's in reported speech as conveyed by Victor (as further conveyed by the Captain) so it might even be a matter of Unreliable Narrator(s) being more poetic than accurate, anyway. But the self-claiming in the full phrase is more solidly for that of deciding to take on the name of Satan than for Adam (which is given as a prior option, but maybe one not actually previously adopted). There's no real idea what Victor might have ever dubbed his 'newborn' (if indeed he did have any intent to do so), nor what name the pre-Creature being may have gone by before he became Victor's experiments – which could be considered technically valid, even if his conscious identity was indeed wiped/reset by the death-and-revival(-and-'improvement'?) phase of his existence. [[Special:Contributions/172.71.178.169\|172.71.178.169]] 09:42, 10 July 2023 (UTC)		:I believe the phrase goes "I ''ought to be'' thy Adam" (my emphasis), and it's in reported speech as conveyed by Victor (as further conveyed by the Captain) so it might even be a matter of Unreliable Narrator(s) being more poetic than accurate, anyway. But the self-claiming in the full phrase is more solidly for that of deciding to take on the name of Satan than for Adam (which is given as a prior option, but maybe one not actually previously adopted). There's no real idea what Victor might have ever dubbed his 'newborn' (if indeed he did have any intent to do so), nor what name the pre-Creature being may have gone by before he became Victor's experiments – which could be considered technically valid, even if his conscious identity was indeed wiped/reset by the death-and-revival(-and-'improvement'?) phase of his existence. [[Special:Contributions/172.71.178.169\|172.71.178.169]] 09:42, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
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		+	The oft-forgotten subtitle of the book was ''The Modern Prometheus'', which, being that Prometheus gave fire and Victor gave life, means that the title is clearly about Victor and the "intelligence/wisdom" stuff is just an observation, though not a wrong one. [[User:AndrewXKCD\|AndrewXKCD]] ([[User talk:AndrewXKCD\|talk]]) 18:43, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

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	It's a throwaway comment, and one which most readers seem to overlook, but the Creature IS named, exactly ONCE in the book: his name is Adam. It comes up in a conversation where the Creature says (I'm paraphrasing), "You called me Adam, I'd rather be called Satan now." The names are chosen by Shelley quite deliberately - Adam is mythologically the 'first' man, while 'satan' means 'enemy'. It marks the shift in their relationship to the adversarial one which will result in both their deaths. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.79.147\|172.69.79.147]] 04:45, 10 July 2023 (UTC)		It's a throwaway comment, and one which most readers seem to overlook, but the Creature IS named, exactly ONCE in the book: his name is Adam. It comes up in a conversation where the Creature says (I'm paraphrasing), "You called me Adam, I'd rather be called Satan now." The names are chosen by Shelley quite deliberately - Adam is mythologically the 'first' man, while 'satan' means 'enemy'. It marks the shift in their relationship to the adversarial one which will result in both their deaths. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.79.147\|172.69.79.147]] 04:45, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
	:I believe the phrase goes "I ''ought to be'' thy Adam" (my emphasis), and it's in reported speech as conveyed by Victor (as further conveyed by the Captain) so it might even be a matter of Unreliable Narrator(s) being more poetic than accurate, anyway. But the self-claiming in the full phrase is more solidly for that of deciding to take on the name of Satan than for Adam (which is given as a prior option, but maybe one not actually previously adopted). There's no real idea what Victor might have ever dubbed his 'newborn' (if indeed he did have any intent to do so), nor what name the pre-Creature being may have gone by before he became Victor's experiments – which could be considered technically valid, even if his conscious identity was indeed wiped/reset by the death-and-revival(-and-'improvement'?) phase of his existence. [[Special:Contributions/172.71.178.169\|172.71.178.169]] 09:42, 10 July 2023 (UTC)		:I believe the phrase goes "I ''ought to be'' thy Adam" (my emphasis), and it's in reported speech as conveyed by Victor (as further conveyed by the Captain) so it might even be a matter of Unreliable Narrator(s) being more poetic than accurate, anyway. But the self-claiming in the full phrase is more solidly for that of deciding to take on the name of Satan than for Adam (which is given as a prior option, but maybe one not actually previously adopted). There's no real idea what Victor might have ever dubbed his 'newborn' (if indeed he did have any intent to do so), nor what name the pre-Creature being may have gone by before he became Victor's experiments – which could be considered technically valid, even if his conscious identity was indeed wiped/reset by the death-and-revival(-and-'improvement'?) phase of his existence. [[Special:Contributions/172.71.178.169\|172.71.178.169]] 09:42, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
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−	"Not worth getting mad about IMO"? What's with the "IMO"? Not saying I don't agree, but it seems wrong to include an opinion here, especially with the "IMO". [[explain_xkcd:Community_portal/Miscellaneous#Help_with_Creating_a_User_Page\|Trogdor147]] ([[explain_xkcd:Community_portal/Miscellaneous#Help_with_Creating_a_User_Page\|talk]]) 01:29, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

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	:I believe the phrase goes "I ''ought to be'' thy Adam" (my emphasis), and it's in reported speech as conveyed by Victor (as further conveyed by the Captain) so it might even be a matter of Unreliable Narrator(s) being more poetic than accurate, anyway. But the self-claiming in the full phrase is more solidly for that of deciding to take on the name of Satan than for Adam (which is given as a prior option, but maybe one not actually previously adopted). There's no real idea what Victor might have ever dubbed his 'newborn' (if indeed he did have any intent to do so), nor what name the pre-Creature being may have gone by before he became Victor's experiments – which could be considered technically valid, even if his conscious identity was indeed wiped/reset by the death-and-revival(-and-'improvement'?) phase of his existence. [[Special:Contributions/172.71.178.169\|172.71.178.169]] 09:42, 10 July 2023 (UTC)		:I believe the phrase goes "I ''ought to be'' thy Adam" (my emphasis), and it's in reported speech as conveyed by Victor (as further conveyed by the Captain) so it might even be a matter of Unreliable Narrator(s) being more poetic than accurate, anyway. But the self-claiming in the full phrase is more solidly for that of deciding to take on the name of Satan than for Adam (which is given as a prior option, but maybe one not actually previously adopted). There's no real idea what Victor might have ever dubbed his 'newborn' (if indeed he did have any intent to do so), nor what name the pre-Creature being may have gone by before he became Victor's experiments – which could be considered technically valid, even if his conscious identity was indeed wiped/reset by the death-and-revival(-and-'improvement'?) phase of his existence. [[Special:Contributions/172.71.178.169\|172.71.178.169]] 09:42, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

−	"Not worth getting mad about IMO"? What's with the "IMO"? Not saying I don't agree, but it seems wrong to include an opinion here, especially with the "IMO". [[explain_xkcd:Community_portal/Miscellaneous#Help_with_Creating_a_User_Page\|Trogdor147]] ([[explain_xkcd:Community_portal/Miscellaneous#Help_with_Creating_a_User_Page\|talk]]) 01:27, 11 July 2023 (UTC)	+	"Not worth getting mad about IMO"? What's with the "IMO"? Not saying I don't agree, but it seems wrong to include an opinion here, especially with the "IMO". [[explain_xkcd:Community_portal/Miscellaneous#Help_with_Creating_a_User_Page\|Trogdor147]] ([[explain_xkcd:Community_portal/Miscellaneous#Help_with_Creating_a_User_Page\|talk]]) 01:29, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

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	It's a throwaway comment, and one which most readers seem to overlook, but the Creature IS named, exactly ONCE in the book: his name is Adam. It comes up in a conversation where the Creature says (I'm paraphrasing), "You called me Adam, I'd rather be called Satan now." The names are chosen by Shelley quite deliberately - Adam is mythologically the 'first' man, while 'satan' means 'enemy'. It marks the shift in their relationship to the adversarial one which will result in both their deaths. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.79.147\|172.69.79.147]] 04:45, 10 July 2023 (UTC)		It's a throwaway comment, and one which most readers seem to overlook, but the Creature IS named, exactly ONCE in the book: his name is Adam. It comes up in a conversation where the Creature says (I'm paraphrasing), "You called me Adam, I'd rather be called Satan now." The names are chosen by Shelley quite deliberately - Adam is mythologically the 'first' man, while 'satan' means 'enemy'. It marks the shift in their relationship to the adversarial one which will result in both their deaths. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.79.147\|172.69.79.147]] 04:45, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
	:I believe the phrase goes "I ''ought to be'' thy Adam" (my emphasis), and it's in reported speech as conveyed by Victor (as further conveyed by the Captain) so it might even be a matter of Unreliable Narrator(s) being more poetic than accurate, anyway. But the self-claiming in the full phrase is more solidly for that of deciding to take on the name of Satan than for Adam (which is given as a prior option, but maybe one not actually previously adopted). There's no real idea what Victor might have ever dubbed his 'newborn' (if indeed he did have any intent to do so), nor what name the pre-Creature being may have gone by before he became Victor's experiments – which could be considered technically valid, even if his conscious identity was indeed wiped/reset by the death-and-revival(-and-'improvement'?) phase of his existence. [[Special:Contributions/172.71.178.169\|172.71.178.169]] 09:42, 10 July 2023 (UTC)		:I believe the phrase goes "I ''ought to be'' thy Adam" (my emphasis), and it's in reported speech as conveyed by Victor (as further conveyed by the Captain) so it might even be a matter of Unreliable Narrator(s) being more poetic than accurate, anyway. But the self-claiming in the full phrase is more solidly for that of deciding to take on the name of Satan than for Adam (which is given as a prior option, but maybe one not actually previously adopted). There's no real idea what Victor might have ever dubbed his 'newborn' (if indeed he did have any intent to do so), nor what name the pre-Creature being may have gone by before he became Victor's experiments – which could be considered technically valid, even if his conscious identity was indeed wiped/reset by the death-and-revival(-and-'improvement'?) phase of his existence. [[Special:Contributions/172.71.178.169\|172.71.178.169]] 09:42, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
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		+	"Not worth getting mad about IMO"? What's with the "IMO"? Not saying I don't agree, but it seems wrong to include an opinion here, especially with the "IMO". [[explain_xkcd:Community_portal/Miscellaneous#Help_with_Creating_a_User_Page\|Trogdor147]] ([[explain_xkcd:Community_portal/Miscellaneous#Help_with_Creating_a_User_Page\|talk]]) 01:27, 11 July 2023 (UTC)