Talk:2842: Inspiraling Roundabout - Revision history

172.70.90.4: /* This already exists */ Unsigned. (But... What is? Swindon as a whole? Or wikiledia:Magic Roundabout (Swindon), which isn't what the comic shows.)

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‎This already exists: Unsigned. (But... What is? Swindon as a whole? Or wikiledia:Magic Roundabout (Swindon), which isn't what the comic shows.)

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‎This already exists: new section

L-Space Traveler at 00:44, 2 December 2023

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172.69.194.70 at 16:17, 19 November 2023

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172.69.194.244 at 16:13, 19 November 2023

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NiceGuy1 at 04:54, 19 November 2023

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162.158.35.7 at 17:59, 29 October 2023

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172.71.178.170 at 17:57, 29 October 2023

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NiceGuy1 at 04:34, 29 October 2023

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	Uhhh, why did American Randall draw a British roundabout? Look at the arrow indicators, he has drivers driving on the left... I mean, sure, roundabouts are uncommon (almost non-existent in my experience) in North America and notoriously common in Britain, but still... Plus THAT way each entering lane ends at the next exit, meaning Randall meant it as right side driving spiral after all. ??? I feel like something should be said about how roundabouts take skill and experience to flow through smoothly, meaning that in areas where drivers aren't used to them they're actually more dangerous. I mean, imagine a driver who is used to 4-way stops having half a second to align and merge with cars flowing in from the circle? It takes SUCH instant decision making to align, at least with highway entrances you have the on ramp to assess the traffic you're joining to find your gap! My brother lives in a newer area where the local idiots just put in several roundabouts where there used to be straightforward 4-ways before, so I've seen the difference, the new way spikes the adrenaline and triggers anxiety (except, I guess, in people who have been using them every day and got used to them, and I have to think always SOME). To me, needing to get used to them makes them a bad idea. And it's WEIRD! Just 3 days ago I was introducing a new driver to those roundabouts near my brother! [[User:NiceGuy1\|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1\|talk]]) 04:28, 29 October 2023 (UTC)		Uhhh, why did American Randall draw a British roundabout? Look at the arrow indicators, he has drivers driving on the left... I mean, sure, roundabouts are uncommon (almost non-existent in my experience) in North America and notoriously common in Britain, but still... Plus THAT way each entering lane ends at the next exit, meaning Randall meant it as right side driving spiral after all. ??? I feel like something should be said about how roundabouts take skill and experience to flow through smoothly, meaning that in areas where drivers aren't used to them they're actually more dangerous. I mean, imagine a driver who is used to 4-way stops having half a second to align and merge with cars flowing in from the circle? It takes SUCH instant decision making to align, at least with highway entrances you have the on ramp to assess the traffic you're joining to find your gap! My brother lives in a newer area where the local idiots just put in several roundabouts where there used to be straightforward 4-ways before, so I've seen the difference, the new way spikes the adrenaline and triggers anxiety (except, I guess, in people who have been using them every day and got used to them, and I have to think always SOME). To me, needing to get used to them makes them a bad idea. And it's WEIRD! Just 3 days ago I was introducing a new driver to those roundabouts near my brother! [[User:NiceGuy1\|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1\|talk]]) 04:28, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
	:(He didn't... see above. As you had to add multiple related statements in various places in this page, in more or less the same edit, I felt compelled to put a similar number of mostly related responses to them all, to not let anyone thinking you'd been left hanging.) [[Special:Contributions/172.71.178.170\|172.71.178.170]] 17:57, 29 October 2023 (UTC)		:(He didn't... see above. As you had to add multiple related statements in various places in this page, in more or less the same edit, I felt compelled to put a similar number of mostly related responses to them all, to not let anyone thinking you'd been left hanging.) [[Special:Contributions/172.71.178.170\|172.71.178.170]] 17:57, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
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	Uzumaki??? [[Special:Contributions/172.71.22.99\|172.71.22.99]] 12:24, 17 October 2023 (UTC)Bumpf		Uzumaki??? [[Special:Contributions/172.71.22.99\|172.71.22.99]] 12:24, 17 October 2023 (UTC)Bumpf
		+	:You're reading my mind! :) [[User:L-Space Traveler\|L-Space Traveler]] ([[User talk:L-Space Traveler\|talk]]) 00:44, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

	I think the author of the explanation completely misunderstood the design. This is the turbo roundabout, except instead of getting everybody out it pulls everybody into the center, just like the highway supercollider from early xkcd. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.242.239\|172.70.242.239]] 12:29, 17 October 2023 (UTC)		I think the author of the explanation completely misunderstood the design. This is the turbo roundabout, except instead of getting everybody out it pulls everybody into the center, just like the highway supercollider from early xkcd. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.242.239\|172.70.242.239]] 12:29, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

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 :::::*I did sign it. I wrote three paragraphs (excessive!?!), that was just the first...
 :::::*What *I* do, to post-sign, is:
-:::::*# Go into the edit-history/version comparison. Establish ''what'' was edited in without signing (if indeed it was, like [https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:2842:_Inspiraling_Roundabout&diff=327269&oldid=327255 this one wasn't),
+:::::*# Go into the edit-history/version comparison. Establish ''what'' was edited in without signing (if indeed it was unsgned, unlike how [https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:2842:_Inspiraling_Roundabout&diff=327269&oldid=327255 this one] was),
 :::::*# Copy the timestamp and ip (or username!) bit that applies,
-:::::*# Go into (or back into the tab of) the page editor and add <nowiki>{{unsigned ip||}}, or just {{unsigned||}}</nowiki> if it was a proper user at fault, and then shuffle in the IP(/username) between the two verticals and the timestamp after the second.
+:::::*# Go into (or back into the tab of) the page editor and add "<nowiki>{{unsigned ip||}}", or just "{{unsigned||}}</nowiki>" if it was a proper user at 'fault', and then shuffle in the IP(/username) between the two verticals and the timestamp after the second.
-:::::*# ...or, if it's an established username that I ''know'' knows how to sign things (must have just forgotten), I copy something like <nowiki>[[User:NiceGuy1|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1|talk]]) 04:54, 19 November 2023 (UTC)</nowiki> from a signed comment and paste in the correct username (three times!) and timestamp and consider it just my good deed for the day!
+:::::*# ...or, if it's an established username that I ''know'' knows how to sign things (must have just forgotten), I copy something like "<nowiki>[[User:NiceGuy1|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1|talk]]) 04:54, 19 November 2023 (UTC)</nowiki>" from a signed comment and paste in the correct username (three times!) and timestamp and consider it just my good deed for the day!
 :::::* When researching the above response (and below, where I mention not being familiar with them), I didn't find ''much'' use of on-road markings, in the US, but they do exist. Not visually good enough pictures to link, as I recall, and maybe rare enough (perhaps nowhere you've been/noticed). I was most struck thst they looked most like European "dragon's teeth" markings than the British "honking big single elongated triangle" standard, but then I'm used to our (emminently sensible!) road-marking/signage being aittle bit adrift of what much of the (non-Commonwealth?) world seems to have decided is their standard.
 :::::** e.g., the only "diamond" sign we have, in the UK, is a passing-place one; which actually depects a deliberate point-widening of the road, if you think about it. Though (probably for manufacturing reasons?) even that seems to have changed to be square-set. But none of these yellow-diamond-signs (except in the rear windows of school buses/coaches, the "children" warning, just like a "baby on board" vanity rear-screen 'hanger' that I'm ''sure'' makes people think twice before ramming the car in front(!)... [[Special:Contributions/172.69.194.244|172.69.194.244]] 16:13, 19 November 2023 (UTC) (Part one of three sections, at this level.)

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 ::Dangerous, probably, but 'illegal' is kind of out the window here, since Randall has thrown all notions of sensible road design language out of the window. The lanes permit access to the other lanes at the centre, even if it's not a sensible move.[[Special:Contributions/172.70.85.50|172.70.85.50]] 09:39, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
 ::This IS Clockwise, look at the arrows. For some reason Randall drew a British roundabout. I assume because North America doesn't really have them but they're famously common in Britain? The thing is, driving clockwise each entering lane ends just at the next exit, meaning Randall conceived of this as a counter-clockwise spiral after all. [[User:NiceGuy1|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1|talk]]) 04:28, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
-:::Those aren't directional arrows. They're an "exit line" marking (something similar to the actual UK {{w|File:Give_Way_Road_Marking_UK.jpg|Give Way markings}}?) or the equivalent US {{w|Yield sign}} (I don't see any indication as to what the US paints on its roads for them, but see the {{w|Stop and yield lines|European version}} that is "shark's teeth"), as far as I can tell. You have two 'right-side driving' lanes entering into the spiralabout, from each direction, and one leaving it.
+:::Those aren't directional arrows. They're an "exit line" marking (something similar to the actual UK {{w|File:Give_Way_Road_Marking_UK.jpg|Give Way markings}}?) or the equivalent US {{w|Yield sign}} (I don't see any indication as to what the US paints on its roads for them, but see the {{w|Stop and yield lines|European version}} that is "shark's teeth"), as far as I can tell. You have two 'right-side driving' lanes entering into the spiralabout, from each direction, and one leaving it. (''Part one of three sections by [[Special:Contributions/172.71.178.170|172.71.178.170]] 17:57, 29 October 2023 (UTC)'')
 ::::You should sign your comments (I don't quite know how to post-sign a comment/fix it, so oh well). Such markings aren't used anywhere I've seen in North America, though. So North American drivers would understand them as directional arrows. :) Them being on-road Yield signs makes sense, but I have literally never seen that, only ever seen actual road signs for Yield - which is what I would expect if this was implemented, just that Randall can't draw an overhead version of THAT, :) Not in a way that we'd know what the sign said. [[User:NiceGuy1|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1|talk]]) 04:54, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
-:::The confusing bit to me (not being familiar with US standard road-markings) is the dotted line acute 'elbow' where the (wrong-direction-)outspiraling hits the (right-direction-)outermost off-lane. It seems not to be a valid lane to enter (anticlockwise) but not be enough like the double-dashed 'give way line' that the UK uses (along with the Give Way 'inverted triangle' painted upon the road).
+:::::*I did sign it. I wrote three paragraphs (excessive!?!), that was just the first...
 ::::Yeah, those lane endings should be solid lines, probably more. :) [[User:NiceGuy1|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1|talk]]) 04:54, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
-:::So I reject the idea that Randall drew a clockwise/UK roundabout(-sort-of). It's still a US one, albeit weird for the reasons given (also, it's titled "''In''spiraling Roundabout", not the "''Out''spiralling Roundabout" that the UK-version-of-Randall would hae had to call it, including spelling change). [[Special:Contributions/172.71.178.170|172.71.178.170]] 17:57, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
+:::::In the UK, single dashes (of various lengths/gaps) have certain meanings, double-dashes (at a juntion) are a Give Way (together with the big 'yield' triangle, as noted) and solid lines are either Stop (in that context, but also with painted(+signed) STOP) or "do not cross".
 ::::Oh, the joke requires that this was intended as counter-clockwise, just pointing out the seeming arrows, :) [[User:NiceGuy1|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1|talk]]) 04:54, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 added longer explanation [[User:Certified_nqh|Me]]<sup>&#91;[[285: Wikipedian Protester|''citation needed'']]&#93;[[Category:Pages using the "citation needed" template]]</sup> 03:05, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

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 ::Dangerous, probably, but 'illegal' is kind of out the window here, since Randall has thrown all notions of sensible road design language out of the window. The lanes permit access to the other lanes at the centre, even if it's not a sensible move.[[Special:Contributions/172.70.85.50|172.70.85.50]] 09:39, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
 ::This IS Clockwise, look at the arrows. For some reason Randall drew a British roundabout. I assume because North America doesn't really have them but they're famously common in Britain? The thing is, driving clockwise each entering lane ends just at the next exit, meaning Randall conceived of this as a counter-clockwise spiral after all. [[User:NiceGuy1|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1|talk]]) 04:28, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
 added longer explanation [[User:Certified_nqh|Me]]<sup>&#91;[[285: Wikipedian Protester|''citation needed'']]&#93;[[Category:Pages using the "citation needed" template]]</sup> 03:05, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
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 in left lane driving countries this would work pretty well as a roundabout
 :... Except going clockwise (as the arrows indicate), each entering lane ends at the next exit. :) [[User:NiceGuy1|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1|talk]]) 04:28, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
 I've heard the Spanish and British road authorities are planing to implement this for roads going to France. [[Special:Contributions/172.64.236.144|172.64.236.144]] 06:39, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
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 :Yeah, I've never quite got the mystique of the "Magic Roundabout" - yes, it's kind of pretty and neat to look at, but in terms of usage, it's just a load of mini-roundabouts near each other. And "mini-roundabouts near each other" is just another name for "Britain's road network". [[User:Yorkshire Pudding|Yorkshire Pudding]] ([[User talk:Yorkshire Pudding|talk]]) 20:14, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
 :Swindon, I've heard of that place... I wonder if that's the "Roundabout of Roundabouts" I've seen pictures of... [[User:NiceGuy1|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1|talk]]) 04:33, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
 In France at least this design would not create any conundrum because roundabout rules are clearly stated and independent of ground markings. It could still be somewhat confusing.{{unsigned ip|141.101.68.239|10:43, 17 October 2023}}
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 Uhhh, why did American Randall draw a British roundabout? Look at the arrow indicators, he has drivers driving on the left... I mean, sure, roundabouts are uncommon (almost non-existent in my experience) in North America and notoriously common in Britain, but still... Plus THAT way each entering lane ends at the next exit, meaning Randall meant it as right side driving spiral after all. ??? I feel like something should be said about how roundabouts take skill and experience to flow through smoothly, meaning that in areas where drivers aren't used to them they're actually more dangerous. I mean, imagine a driver who is used to 4-way stops having half a second to align and merge with cars flowing in from the circle? It takes SUCH instant decision making to align, at least with highway entrances you have the on ramp to assess the traffic you're joining to find your gap! My brother lives in a newer area where the local idiots just put in several roundabouts where there used to be straightforward 4-ways before, so I've seen the difference, the new way spikes the adrenaline and triggers anxiety (except, I guess, in people who have been using them every day and got used to them, and I have to think always SOME). To me, needing to get used to them makes them a bad idea. And it's WEIRD! Just 3 days ago I was introducing a new driver to those roundabouts near my brother! [[User:NiceGuy1|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1|talk]]) 04:28, 29 October 2023 (UTC)