Talk:2846: Daylight Saving Choice - Revision history

172.69.194.71: ...a timestamp was missing, actually, and I'd meant to add that too!

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...a timestamp was missing, actually, and I'd meant to add that too!

172.69.195.173: I put the indents back to where they should be

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I put the indents back to where they should be

172.70.90.242 at 16:51, 19 November 2023

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172.69.194.71 at 16:49, 19 November 2023

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NiceGuy1: /* Personal Inclination */

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NiceGuy1 at 05:30, 19 November 2023

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NiceGuy1 at 05:07, 19 November 2023

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162.158.74.25 at 22:49, 29 October 2023

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MalcolmStory21: The snag with one time worldwide

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The snag with one time worldwide

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 :::Paul doesn't explicitly suggest that worldwide-Noon should be the astronomical noon ''anywhere in particular'', let alone Eastern NA. Just 'somewhere'. Now, obviously it'd be most logical to choose somewhere significant... Maybe Washington time (because of Americocentricism) or Beijing (well, they've got the experience putting loads of people into one 'wide' timezone), or Delhi (now have pipped China over the issue of "most population covered", or Moscow (geographically most contiguously wide-spread, though even internally they'd alreadu have more anomolies than China has now), or... well, since London beat Paris in the battle to being the Prime Meridian for the world then ''obviously'' it'd be GMT or UTC/UT0/UT1/UT1R/UT2 (take your pick, according to what you value most about the 'standard'). Or maybe you'd prefer Kathmandu (UTC+05:45... because... why stick to whole-hour offsets?). [[Special:Contributions/172.71.178.179|172.71.178.179]] 18:30, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
-One time worldwide is a pants idea.  Not because some people would be going to bed at 9 a.m., that's quite OK.  But because when you pass through midnight, the date changes, as does the day of the week.  You're working away merrily during (your) mid-morning on Friday 1st of Umptober, when suddenly midnight arrives and from now on you are on Saturday 2nd.  Oops, it's now weekend! [[User:MalcolmStory21|MalcolmStory21]] ([[User talk:MalcolmStory21|talk]])
+One time worldwide is a pants idea.  Not because some people would be going to bed at 9 a.m., that's quite OK.  But because when you pass through midnight, the date changes, as does the day of the week.  You're working away merrily during (your) mid-morning on Friday 1st of Umptober, when suddenly midnight arrives and from now on you are on Saturday 2nd.  Oops, it's now weekend! [[User:MalcolmStory21|MalcolmStory21]] ([[User talk:MalcolmStory21|talk]]) 19:52, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
 :If that's a problem (doesn't sound like it necessarily need be), it's balanced by having the early morning off (the weekend) and then it becoming Monday 4th and business as usual again.
 :But all it needs is for some soft of 'shiftworld' (like the scenario in {{w|Dayworld}}, but spread around/overlapping around the day, not around/separate across the week), where there's a 24/7 (or at least a 24/5) economy 'serviced' by whoever wishes to be awake during whatever hours suit them (by actual daylight) or find expedient on a supply-and-demand basis. Currently, businesses open roughly aligned to daylight hours (to varying degrees) and they ''still could'', just with workers not doing a "9-to-5" job but perhaps a "3-to-11" or "12-to-8" or whatever. If it's a remotely-workable service industry, then you will (as you can now) be serviced by someone working half a world away in inconvenient hours that are convenient for you (or convenient hours that cover times that would be otherwise inconvenient to those local to you).

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 :Well, that's just UTC (or UT1/close equivalents). Though {{w|Timekeeping on Mars#Coordinated Mars Time|I can think of a different system}} we could use... [[Special:Contributions/172.69.79.143|172.69.79.143]] 20:35, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
 ::No, not UTC... Paul means when it's noon here in the Eastern part of North America, it's noon in California, noon in the UK, noon in Europe, noon in Japan, noon in Australia, etc. And I must say, not a bad idea. WHY does "noon"/12PM have to be the time that the sun reaches its peak? Who cares? THIS way you say a time, everybody in the world knows what time it is, no timezone conversion, no accounting for DST, super clear. :) [[User:NiceGuy1|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1|talk]]) 05:16, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
-:::Paul doesn't explicitly suggest that worldwide-Noon should be the astronomical noon ''anywhere in particular'', let alone Eastern NA. Just 'somewhere'. Now, obviously it'd be most logical to choose somewhere significant... Maybe Washington time (because of Americocentricism) or Beijing (well, they've got the experience putting loads of people into one 'wide' timezone), or Delhi (now have pipped China over the issue of "most population covered", or Moscow (geographically most contiguously wide-spread, though even internally they'd alreadu have more anomolies than China has now), or... well, since London beat Paris in the battle to being the Prime Meridian for the world then ''obviously'' it'd be GMT or UTC/UT0/UT1/UT1R/UT2 (take your pick, according to what you value most about the 'standard'). Or maybe you'd prefer Kathmandu (UTC+05:45... because... why stick to whole-hour offsets?).
+:::Paul doesn't explicitly suggest that worldwide-Noon should be the astronomical noon ''anywhere in particular'', let alone Eastern NA. Just 'somewhere'. Now, obviously it'd be most logical to choose somewhere significant... Maybe Washington time (because of Americocentricism) or Beijing (well, they've got the experience putting loads of people into one 'wide' timezone), or Delhi (now have pipped China over the issue of "most population covered", or Moscow (geographically most contiguously wide-spread, though even internally they'd alreadu have more anomolies than China has now), or... well, since London beat Paris in the battle to being the Prime Meridian for the world then ''obviously'' it'd be GMT or UTC/UT0/UT1/UT1R/UT2 (take your pick, according to what you value most about the 'standard'). Or maybe you'd prefer Kathmandu (UTC+05:45... because... why stick to whole-hour offsets?). [[Special:Contributions/172.71.178.179|172.71.178.179]] 18:30, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
-:::One time worldwide is a pants idea.  Not because some people would be going to bed at 9 a.m., that's quite OK.  But because when you pass through midnight, the date changes, as does the day of the week.  You're working away merrily during (your) mid-morning on Friday 1st of Umptober, when suddenly midnight arrives and from now on you are on Saturday 2nd.  Oops, it's now weekend! [[User:MalcolmStory21|MalcolmStory21]] ([[User talk:MalcolmStory21|talk]])
-::::If that's a problem (doesn't sound like it necessarily need be), it's balanced by having the early morning off (the weekend) and then it becoming Monday 4th and business as usual again.
+One time worldwide is a pants idea.  Not because some people would be going to bed at 9 a.m., that's quite OK.  But because when you pass through midnight, the date changes, as does the day of the week.  You're working away merrily during (your) mid-morning on Friday 1st of Umptober, when suddenly midnight arrives and from now on you are on Saturday 2nd.  Oops, it's now weekend! [[User:MalcolmStory21|MalcolmStory21]] ([[User talk:MalcolmStory21|talk]])
-::::But all it needs is for some soft of 'shiftworld' (like the scenario in {{w|Dayworld}}, but spread around/overlapping around the day, not around/separate across the week), where there's a 24/7 (or at least a 24/5) economy 'serviced' by whoever wishes to be awake during whatever hours suit them (by actual daylight) or find expedient on a supply-and-demand basis. Currently, businesses open roughly aligned to daylight hours (to varying degrees) and they ''still could'', just with workers not doing a "9-to-5" job but perhaps a "3-to-11" or "12-to-8" or whatever. If it's a remotely-workable service industry, then you will (as you can now) be serviced by someone working half a world away in inconvenient hours that are convenient for you (or convenient hours that cover times that would be otherwise inconvenient to those local to you).
+:If that's a problem (doesn't sound like it necessarily need be), it's balanced by having the early morning off (the weekend) and then it becoming Monday 4th and business as usual again.
-::::If you actually need something like a post-midnight hairdresser (because that's the only time ''your'' particular work commitments let you fight back against such interminable perils of growing head-hair), it doesn't matter whether that's 'real' midnight or 'global' midnight because at least one guy/gal with the scissors should be able to mesh accordingly with your own schedule in a way that a current daytime-stylist might not at all be easily available for a current daytime-officeworker unless they're a weekend worker (and you are not), you can get a few hours off work or they're equipped to visit you at your desk.
+:But all it needs is for some soft of 'shiftworld' (like the scenario in {{w|Dayworld}}, but spread around/overlapping around the day, not around/separate across the week), where there's a 24/7 (or at least a 24/5) economy 'serviced' by whoever wishes to be awake during whatever hours suit them (by actual daylight) or find expedient on a supply-and-demand basis. Currently, businesses open roughly aligned to daylight hours (to varying degrees) and they ''still could'', just with workers not doing a "9-to-5" job but perhaps a "3-to-11" or "12-to-8" or whatever. If it's a remotely-workable service industry, then you will (as you can now) be serviced by someone working half a world away in inconvenient hours that are convenient for you (or convenient hours that cover times that would be otherwise inconvenient to those local to you).
-::::By being 'tied' to a global time, it just allows (with the right basic employment incentives and protections, naturally; which are obviously lacking in many situations right now, so would also constitute an improvement) a degree of flexibility that blindly subscribing to your local time really doesn't.
+:If you actually need something like a post-midnight hairdresser (because that's the only time ''your'' particular work commitments let you fight back against such interminable perils of growing head-hair), it doesn't matter whether that's 'real' midnight or 'global' midnight because at least one guy/gal with the scissors should be able to mesh accordingly with your own schedule in a way that a current daytime-stylist might not at all be easily available for a current daytime-officeworker unless they're a weekend worker (and you are not), you can get a few hours off work or they're equipped to visit you at your desk.
-::::...well, we're surely already talking about a conceptual world in which such massive reorganisation is even possible. Going the extra few steps to make it ''work'' isn't that much more of a stretch, I'm thinking. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.74.25|162.158.74.25]] 22:49, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
+:By being 'tied' to a global time, it just allows (with the right basic employment incentives and protections, naturally; which are obviously lacking in many situations right now, so would also constitute an improvement) a degree of flexibility that blindly subscribing to your local time really doesn't.
-::::I'm sure he just picked "noon" as an easy time to pick on, obviously noon everywhere means 1pm is 1pm everywhere as well, 2pm is 2pm, etc. Also, living in North America myself, I find "America-centric" seems to be Eastern time/New York City/Miami, not Western like the state of Washington (of course, you might mean the TOWN of Washington, D.C., which I think is indeed Eastern, LOL! Might explain why the America-centricity of the time zone, I never thought of that. I find it ridiculous that they have two Washingtons like that). I didn't go so far as figuring WHAT time zone should win (and the "4:17" makes me feel he didn't either), but it seems like there'd be no other choice than Greenwich Mean Time, as being the current time zone baseline. I DID/we did forget the midnight/date change aspect, that is of course what makes this all fairly necessary. Oh, and I avoid multiple paragraphs on here because of stuff like what you did: You forgot to indent your second paragraph, so they looked like separate comments, I was about to reply to only the first when I spotted what happened. I fixed it, I updated all the indents. :) [[User:NiceGuy1|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1|talk]]) 05:30, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
+:...well, we're surely already talking about a conceptual world in which such massive reorganisation is even possible. Going the extra few steps to make it ''work'' isn't that much more of a stretch, I'm thinking. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.74.25|162.158.74.25]] 22:49, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

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 :::I remember this argument from before. The daylight one saves is the 'summer morning daylight'. By reverting to non-DST you don't save anything, you just make the mornings less dark than they would abnormally be. (Indeed, this morning I was out and about before 7:30AM (GMT) and had a nice bright day that ''wasn't'' (unlike during recent BST-ruled mornings) darker than they ought to be just because most people want a >4:30PM 'daylight' rather more than a <7:30AM one). [[Special:Contributions/172.71.178.179|172.71.178.179]] 18:30, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
 ::::...Except summer doesn't need any "help", the days are longer, plenty of daylight to go around. :) It's the short short winter days which - if anything - require help to make the most out of whatever little daylight there is. And like I said, last year they were about to make Summer Time permanent, we would have stayed on THAT time, not the Winter Shifted time. [[User:NiceGuy1|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1|talk]]) 05:07, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
-:::::You are right (as well as wrong). Borrowing from Peter to pay Paul. Of course Peter is flush, in summer, and doesn't need so much morning light, so Paul can entertain himself for long evenings and everybody's happy (certainly more happy, in total, than if Peter just frittered away his spare cash every morning, long before he needs to go to workl.
+:::::You are right (as well as wrong). Borrowing from Peter to pay Paul. Of course Peter is flush, in summer, and doesn't need so much morning light, so Paul can entertain himself for long evenings and everybody's happy (certainly more happy, in total, than if Peter just frittered away his spare cash every morning, long before he needs to go to work!
 :::::In the winter months, Peter might already feel the pinch. Not only are the days ''naturally'' drawing closer, but someone's decided that he doesn't really need as much of the (already limited) daylight as he started with. Paul's getting ''some'' more evening (still gets dark early enough, though, depending on latitude). Marginal gains for him, if he's lucky, and good for him. But more-than-marginal losses for the other guy, and always net losses because you can't actually argue against the local astronomy.
-:::::The decision to and "summer-in-winter" (with or without "double-summer") just rearranges the deckchairs a bit. If you're on the Titanic, the best you can hope for is that this means it's easier to run straight out and ongo the rather limited number of lifeboats (when you need to), but it's more of a cosmetic exercise when you can't (or needn't) get onto one.
+:::::The decision to have "summer-in-winter" (with or without "double-summer", also) just rearranges the deckchairs a bit. If you're on the Titanic, the best you can hope for is that this means it's easier to run straight out and onto the rather limited number of lifeboats (when you need to), but it's more of a cosmetic exercise when you can't (or needn't) get onto one.
 :::::Now, if schools/workplaces operated on something like "from one hour after sunrise", instead of tied to crepuscularly-agnostic clock-time (of whatever shift from absolute astronomical timings), we could stop arguing the rest of the point and just deal with what people 'deem' most appropriate. And there's no such thing as "winter shifted time" (unless you do Wintertime+1 to keep with/keep pace with the shift you made for summer). It's only "winter ''un''shifted time", as I note has been said before... Give or take how far from your longitude's 'natural' noon is away from the clock-noon your country/region has adopted. (e.g. China, wide in longitude, one single timezone throughout, but to some extent ''every'' TZ's fringes, even if that's just around half an hour of 'cosmic shift', before politics adds or removes anything else.) [[Special:Contributions/172.69.194.71|172.69.194.71]] 16:49, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

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 :::I remember this argument from before. The daylight one saves is the 'summer morning daylight'. By reverting to non-DST you don't save anything, you just make the mornings less dark than they would abnormally be. (Indeed, this morning I was out and about before 7:30AM (GMT) and had a nice bright day that ''wasn't'' (unlike during recent BST-ruled mornings) darker than they ought to be just because most people want a >4:30PM 'daylight' rather more than a <7:30AM one). [[Special:Contributions/172.71.178.179|172.71.178.179]] 18:30, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
 ::::...Except summer doesn't need any "help", the days are longer, plenty of daylight to go around. :) It's the short short winter days which - if anything - require help to make the most out of whatever little daylight there is. And like I said, last year they were about to make Summer Time permanent, we would have stayed on THAT time, not the Winter Shifted time. [[User:NiceGuy1|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1|talk]]) 05:07, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
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 ::::By being 'tied' to a global time, it just allows (with the right basic employment incentives and protections, naturally; which are obviously lacking in many situations right now, so would also constitute an improvement) a degree of flexibility that blindly subscribing to your local time really doesn't.
 ::::...well, we're surely already talking about a conceptual world in which such massive reorganisation is even possible. Going the extra few steps to make it ''work'' isn't that much more of a stretch, I'm thinking. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.74.25|162.158.74.25]] 22:49, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
-::::I just picked "noon" as an easy time to pick on, obviously noon everywhere means 1pm is 1pm everywhere as well, 2pm is 2pm, etc. Also, living in North America myself, I find "America-centric" seems to be Eastern time/New York City/Miami, not Western like the state of Washington (of course, you might mean the TOWN of Washington, D.C., which I think is indeed Eastern, LOL! Might explain why the America-centricity of the time zone, I never thought of that. I find it ridiculous that they have two Washingtons like that). I didn't go so far as figuring WHAT time zone should win (and the "4:17" makes me feel he didn't either), but it seems like there'd be no other choice than Greenwich Mean Time, as being the current time zone baseline. I DID/we did forget the midnight/date change aspect, that is of course what makes this all fairly necessary. Oh, and I avoid multiple paragraphs on here because of stuff like what you did: You forgot to indent your second paragraph, so they looked like separate comments, I was about to reply to only the first when I spotted what happened. I fixed it, I updated all the indents. :) [[User:NiceGuy1|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1|talk]]) 05:30, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
+::::I'm sure he just picked "noon" as an easy time to pick on, obviously noon everywhere means 1pm is 1pm everywhere as well, 2pm is 2pm, etc. Also, living in North America myself, I find "America-centric" seems to be Eastern time/New York City/Miami, not Western like the state of Washington (of course, you might mean the TOWN of Washington, D.C., which I think is indeed Eastern, LOL! Might explain why the America-centricity of the time zone, I never thought of that. I find it ridiculous that they have two Washingtons like that). I didn't go so far as figuring WHAT time zone should win (and the "4:17" makes me feel he didn't either), but it seems like there'd be no other choice than Greenwich Mean Time, as being the current time zone baseline. I DID/we did forget the midnight/date change aspect, that is of course what makes this all fairly necessary. Oh, and I avoid multiple paragraphs on here because of stuff like what you did: You forgot to indent your second paragraph, so they looked like separate comments, I was about to reply to only the first when I spotted what happened. I fixed it, I updated all the indents. :) [[User:NiceGuy1|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1|talk]]) 05:30, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

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	:::Paul doesn't explicitly suggest that worldwide-Noon should be the astronomical noon ''anywhere in particular'', let alone Eastern NA. Just 'somewhere'. Now, obviously it'd be most logical to choose somewhere significant... Maybe Washington time (because of Americocentricism) or Beijing (well, they've got the experience putting loads of people into one 'wide' timezone), or Delhi (now have pipped China over the issue of "most population covered", or Moscow (geographically most contiguously wide-spread, though even internally they'd alreadu have more anomolies than China has now), or... well, since London beat Paris in the battle to being the Prime Meridian for the world then ''obviously'' it'd be GMT or UTC/UT0/UT1/UT1R/UT2 (take your pick, according to what you value most about the 'standard'). Or maybe you'd prefer Kathmandu (UTC+05:45... because... why stick to whole-hour offsets?).		:::Paul doesn't explicitly suggest that worldwide-Noon should be the astronomical noon ''anywhere in particular'', let alone Eastern NA. Just 'somewhere'. Now, obviously it'd be most logical to choose somewhere significant... Maybe Washington time (because of Americocentricism) or Beijing (well, they've got the experience putting loads of people into one 'wide' timezone), or Delhi (now have pipped China over the issue of "most population covered", or Moscow (geographically most contiguously wide-spread, though even internally they'd alreadu have more anomolies than China has now), or... well, since London beat Paris in the battle to being the Prime Meridian for the world then ''obviously'' it'd be GMT or UTC/UT0/UT1/UT1R/UT2 (take your pick, according to what you value most about the 'standard'). Or maybe you'd prefer Kathmandu (UTC+05:45... because... why stick to whole-hour offsets?).
	One time worldwide is a pants idea. Not because some people would be going to bed at 9 a.m., that's quite OK. But because when you pass through midnight, the date changes, as does the day of the week. You're working away merrily during (your) mid-morning on Friday 1st of Umptober, when suddenly midnight arrives and from now on you are on Saturday 2nd. Oops, it's now weekend! [[User:MalcolmStory21\|MalcolmStory21]] ([[User talk:MalcolmStory21\|talk]])		One time worldwide is a pants idea. Not because some people would be going to bed at 9 a.m., that's quite OK. But because when you pass through midnight, the date changes, as does the day of the week. You're working away merrily during (your) mid-morning on Friday 1st of Umptober, when suddenly midnight arrives and from now on you are on Saturday 2nd. Oops, it's now weekend! [[User:MalcolmStory21\|MalcolmStory21]] ([[User talk:MalcolmStory21\|talk]])
		+	:If that's a problem (doesn't sound like it necessarily need be), it's balanced by having the early morning off (the weekend) and then it becoming Monday 4th and business as usual again.
		+	:But all it needs is for some soft of 'shiftworld' (like the scenario in {{w\|Dayworld}}, but spread around/overlapping around the day, not around/separate across the week), where there's a 24/7 (or at least a 24/5) economy 'serviced' by whoever wishes to be awake during whatever hours suit them (by actual daylight) or find expedient on a supply-and-demand basis. Currently, businesses open roughly aligned to daylight hours (to varying degrees) and they ''still could'', just with workers not doing a "9-to-5" job but perhaps a "3-to-11" or "12-to-8" or whatever. If it's a remotely-workable service industry, then you will (as you can now) be serviced by someone working half a world away in inconvenient hours that are convenient for you (or convenient hours that cover times that would be otherwise inconvenient to those local to you).
		+	:If you actually need something like a post-midnight hairdresser (because that's the only time ''your'' particular work commitments let you fight back against such interminable perils of growing head-hair), it doesn't matter whether that's 'real' midnight or 'global' midnight because at least one guy/gal with the scissors should be able to mesh accordingly with your own schedule in a way that a current daytime-stylist might not at all be easily available for a current daytime-officeworker unless they're a weekend worker (and you are not), you can get a few hours off work or they're equipped to visit you at your desk.
		+	:By being 'tied' to a global time, it just allows (with the right basic employment incentives and protections, naturally; which are obviously lacking in many situations right now, so would also constitute an improvement) a degree of flexibility that blindly subscribing to your local time really doesn't.
		+	:...well, we're surely already talking about a conceptual world in which such massive reorganisation is even possible. Going the extra few steps to make it ''work'' isn't that much more of a stretch, I'm thinking. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.74.25\|162.158.74.25]] 22:49, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

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	::No, not UTC... Paul means when it's noon here in the Eastern part of North America, it's noon in California, noon in the UK, noon in Europe, noon in Japan, noon in Australia, etc. And I must say, not a bad idea. WHY does "noon"/12PM have to be the time that the sun reaches its peak? Who cares? THIS way you say a time, everybody in the world knows what time it is, no timezone conversion, no accounting for DST, super clear. :) [[User:NiceGuy1\|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1\|talk]]) 05:16, 29 October 2023 (UTC)		::No, not UTC... Paul means when it's noon here in the Eastern part of North America, it's noon in California, noon in the UK, noon in Europe, noon in Japan, noon in Australia, etc. And I must say, not a bad idea. WHY does "noon"/12PM have to be the time that the sun reaches its peak? Who cares? THIS way you say a time, everybody in the world knows what time it is, no timezone conversion, no accounting for DST, super clear. :) [[User:NiceGuy1\|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1\|talk]]) 05:16, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
	:::Paul doesn't explicitly suggest that worldwide-Noon should be the astronomical noon ''anywhere in particular'', let alone Eastern NA. Just 'somewhere'. Now, obviously it'd be most logical to choose somewhere significant... Maybe Washington time (because of Americocentricism) or Beijing (well, they've got the experience putting loads of people into one 'wide' timezone), or Delhi (now have pipped China over the issue of "most population covered", or Moscow (geographically most contiguously wide-spread, though even internally they'd alreadu have more anomolies than China has now), or... well, since London beat Paris in the battle to being the Prime Meridian for the world then ''obviously'' it'd be GMT or UTC/UT0/UT1/UT1R/UT2 (take your pick, according to what you value most about the 'standard'). Or maybe you'd prefer Kathmandu (UTC+05:45... because... why stick to whole-hour offsets?).		:::Paul doesn't explicitly suggest that worldwide-Noon should be the astronomical noon ''anywhere in particular'', let alone Eastern NA. Just 'somewhere'. Now, obviously it'd be most logical to choose somewhere significant... Maybe Washington time (because of Americocentricism) or Beijing (well, they've got the experience putting loads of people into one 'wide' timezone), or Delhi (now have pipped China over the issue of "most population covered", or Moscow (geographically most contiguously wide-spread, though even internally they'd alreadu have more anomolies than China has now), or... well, since London beat Paris in the battle to being the Prime Meridian for the world then ''obviously'' it'd be GMT or UTC/UT0/UT1/UT1R/UT2 (take your pick, according to what you value most about the 'standard'). Or maybe you'd prefer Kathmandu (UTC+05:45... because... why stick to whole-hour offsets?).
		+	One time worldwide is a pants idea. Not because some people would be going to bed at 9 a.m., that's quite OK. But because when you pass through midnight, the date changes, as does the day of the week. You're working away merrily during (your) mid-morning on Friday 1st of Umptober, when suddenly midnight arrives and from now on you are on Saturday 2nd. Oops, it's now weekend! [[User:MalcolmStory21\|MalcolmStory21]] ([[User talk:MalcolmStory21\|talk]])