Talk:2857: Rebuttals - Revision history

82.132.244.8 at 15:16, 19 January 2026

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Utdtutyabthsc at 07:10, 19 January 2026

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Utdtutyabthsc at 07:10, 19 January 2026

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172.69.223.170: edit to correct my comment

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edit to correct my comment

172.69.223.169 at 10:05, 11 December 2023

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172.70.206.193 at 21:54, 21 November 2023

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Rtanenbaum: whimsically coined "rematic mainvisionist dogstream," a hilarious spoonerism

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whimsically coined "rematic mainvisionist dogstream," a hilarious spoonerism

172.70.210.40 at 17:39, 21 November 2023

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162.158.90.161 at 17:27, 21 November 2023

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Barmar at 16:22, 21 November 2023

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 [[File:The more rematic mainvisionist dogstream.png|thumb|ChatGPT: "Here is an image depicting the concept of a 'more rematic mainvisionist dogstream.'"]]
 Looking for a way to depict the Title Text: "The <span style="color: #00F;">main</span><span style="color: #08F;">stream</span> <span style="color: #0FF;">dog</span><span style="color: #0F8;">ma</span> sparked a wave of <span style="color: #0FF;">dog</span><span style="color: #0F8;">mat</span><span style="color: #0F0;">ic</span> <span style="color: #8F0;">re</span><span style="color: #FF0;">vision</span><span style="color: #F80;">ism</span>, and this <span style="color: #8F0;">re</span><span style="color: #FF0;">vision</span><span style="color: #F00;">ist</span> <span style="color: #00F;">main</span><span style="color: #08F;">stream</span> <span style="color: #0FF;">dog</span><span style="color: #0F8;">mat</span><span style="color: #F80;">ism</span> has now given way to a more <span style="color: #8F0;">re</span><span style="color: #0F8;">mat</span><span style="color: #0F0;">ic</span> <span style="color: #00F;">main</span><span style="color: #FF0;">vision</span><span style="color: #F00;">ist</span> <span style="color: #0FF;">dog</span><span style="color: #08F;">stream</span>." Too garish? [[Special:Contributions/172.69.79.142|172.69.79.142]] 00:52, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 :I'm not typing color codes, but I figured it would make more sense to coordinate the color by compound word, not roots. So "dogma" would be one color, "mainstream" would be another, etc. And then "dogstream" would be two-tone. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.178.11|172.70.178.11]] 09:47, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 ::On that topic, I think the description for "rematic" should be changed to more clearly reflect the combination of "revisionist" and "dogmatic"; I don't think it implies any relation to "remake", "remix", "refurbish" or "recycle", even if the ultimate meaning is similar (and I'm not sure that's the case anyway). [[Special:Contributions/162.158.90.161|162.158.90.161]] 17:27, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 A simple explanation of "rematic mainvisionist dogstream" is that they are created by taking "re" from revisionist and replacing the "dog" from dogmatic which replaces the "main" from mainstream which then replaces the "re" of revisionist. [[User:Rtanenbaum|Rtanenbaum]] ([[User talk:Rtanenbaum|talk]]) 19:25, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

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 [[File:The more rematic mainvisionist dogstream.png|thumb|ChatGPT: "Here is an image depicting the concept of a 'more rematic mainvisionist dogstream.'"]]
-...why?--[[User:Utdtutyabthsc|Utdtutyabthsc]] ([[User talk:Utdtutyabthsc|talk]]) 07:10, 19 January 2026 (UTC)
+...why is there a file of a chatgpt image of "ematic mainvisionist dogstream"?--[[User:Utdtutyabthsc|Utdtutyabthsc]] ([[User talk:Utdtutyabthsc|talk]]) 07:10, 19 January 2026 (UTC)
 Looking for a way to depict the Title Text: "The <span style="color: #00F;">main</span><span style="color: #08F;">stream</span> <span style="color: #0FF;">dog</span><span style="color: #0F8;">ma</span> sparked a wave of <span style="color: #0FF;">dog</span><span style="color: #0F8;">mat</span><span style="color: #0F0;">ic</span> <span style="color: #8F0;">re</span><span style="color: #FF0;">vision</span><span style="color: #F80;">ism</span>, and this <span style="color: #8F0;">re</span><span style="color: #FF0;">vision</span><span style="color: #F00;">ist</span> <span style="color: #00F;">main</span><span style="color: #08F;">stream</span> <span style="color: #0FF;">dog</span><span style="color: #0F8;">mat</span><span style="color: #F80;">ism</span> has now given way to a more <span style="color: #8F0;">re</span><span style="color: #0F8;">mat</span><span style="color: #0F0;">ic</span> <span style="color: #00F;">main</span><span style="color: #FF0;">vision</span><span style="color: #F00;">ist</span> <span style="color: #0FF;">dog</span><span style="color: #08F;">stream</span>." Too garish? [[Special:Contributions/172.69.79.142|172.69.79.142]] 00:52, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

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		+	...why?--[[User:Utdtutyabthsc\|Utdtutyabthsc]] ([[User talk:Utdtutyabthsc\|talk]]) 07:10, 19 January 2026 (UTC)

	Looking for a way to depict the Title Text: "The <span style="color: #00F;">main</span><span style="color: #08F;">stream</span> <span style="color: #0FF;">dog</span><span style="color: #0F8;">ma</span> sparked a wave of <span style="color: #0FF;">dog</span><span style="color: #0F8;">mat</span><span style="color: #0F0;">ic</span> <span style="color: #8F0;">re</span><span style="color: #FF0;">vision</span><span style="color: #F80;">ism</span>, and this <span style="color: #8F0;">re</span><span style="color: #FF0;">vision</span><span style="color: #F00;">ist</span> <span style="color: #00F;">main</span><span style="color: #08F;">stream</span> <span style="color: #0FF;">dog</span><span style="color: #0F8;">mat</span><span style="color: #F80;">ism</span> has now given way to a more <span style="color: #8F0;">re</span><span style="color: #0F8;">mat</span><span style="color: #0F0;">ic</span> <span style="color: #00F;">main</span><span style="color: #FF0;">vision</span><span style="color: #F00;">ist</span> <span style="color: #0FF;">dog</span><span style="color: #08F;">stream</span>." Too garish? [[Special:Contributions/172.69.79.142\|172.69.79.142]] 00:52, 21 November 2023 (UTC)		Looking for a way to depict the Title Text: "The <span style="color: #00F;">main</span><span style="color: #08F;">stream</span> <span style="color: #0FF;">dog</span><span style="color: #0F8;">ma</span> sparked a wave of <span style="color: #0FF;">dog</span><span style="color: #0F8;">mat</span><span style="color: #0F0;">ic</span> <span style="color: #8F0;">re</span><span style="color: #FF0;">vision</span><span style="color: #F80;">ism</span>, and this <span style="color: #8F0;">re</span><span style="color: #FF0;">vision</span><span style="color: #F00;">ist</span> <span style="color: #00F;">main</span><span style="color: #08F;">stream</span> <span style="color: #0FF;">dog</span><span style="color: #0F8;">mat</span><span style="color: #F80;">ism</span> has now given way to a more <span style="color: #8F0;">re</span><span style="color: #0F8;">mat</span><span style="color: #0F0;">ic</span> <span style="color: #00F;">main</span><span style="color: #FF0;">vision</span><span style="color: #F00;">ist</span> <span style="color: #0FF;">dog</span><span style="color: #08F;">stream</span>." Too garish? [[Special:Contributions/172.69.79.142\|172.69.79.142]] 00:52, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

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 :Wouldn't the inconvenient new evidence be the justification for the backlash against the prevailing concensus, not the reason why the new evidence is ignored? I'm not going to try to explain this comic, I'm lost already. [[User:Barmar|Barmar]] ([[User talk:Barmar|talk]]) 00:46, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 ::It was the backlash that ignored the new evidence. The new evidence wasn't adopted by the 'backlashers', as I read it, so couldn't be their justification. (Or at least that's how the conventional wisdom interprets it, which of course could be wrong!) [[Special:Contributions/162.158.34.23|162.158.34.23]] 00:56, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
-:::I agree, and the explanation is currently wrong in suggesting that the "prevailing consensus" is the one to which the researchers ignoring evidence ascribe. Instead we have a position that most scientists accept to be true and have done for some time ("prevailing consensus"), but this has inspired a revolt that is implied to be more emotively-driven than facts-based ("backlash") leading to revolt-inspired research ("has led researchers") uncovering evidence ("new evidence") which did not fit the revolting researchers' preconceived ideas ("inconvenient") and has therefore not been properly taken into account ("ignored"); however, this description of the situation is one that is generally assumed to be true, without critical thought or despite proof to the contrary ("conventional wisdom"), and Cueball is about to tell us why ("however..."). In truth, Cueball could be about to rebut any one of those things, but it is heavily implied to be the "conventional wisdom" that is in his view wrong, so there may actually be no prevailing consensus, or no real backlash, or no real research done because of that backlash, or no new evidence, or proof that that evidence could actually be useful to counter the prevailing consensus, or (and this again is most likely IMHO) it is wrong for people to assume that that the evidence was ever ignored. Therefore Cueball is about to support the revolting researchers, but only in rebutting the mainstream rebuttal accusing the rebutting researchers of failing to rebut contradictory evidence...[[Special:Contributions/172.69.223.169|172.69.223.169]] 10:05, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
+:::I agree, and the first couple of paragraphs of the explanation are currently wrong in suggesting that the "prevailing consensus" is the one to which the researchers ignoring evidence ascribe. Instead we have a position that most scientists accept to be true and have done for some time ("prevailing consensus"), but this has inspired a revolt that is implied to be more emotively-driven than facts-based ("backlash") leading to revolt-inspired research ("has led researchers") uncovering evidence ("new evidence") which did not fit the revolting researchers' preconceived ideas ("inconvenient") and has therefore not been properly taken into account ("ignored"); however, this description of the situation is one that is generally assumed to be true, without critical thought or despite proof to the contrary ("conventional wisdom"), and Cueball is about to tell us why ("however..."). In truth, Cueball could be about to rebut any one of those things, but it is heavily implied to be the "conventional wisdom" that is in his view wrong, so there may actually be no prevailing consensus, or no real backlash, or no real research done because of that backlash, or no new evidence, or proof that that evidence could actually be useful to counter the prevailing consensus, or (and this again is most likely IMHO) it is wrong for people to assume that that the evidence was ever ignored. Therefore Cueball is about to support the revolting researchers, but only in rebutting the mainstream rebuttal accusing the rebutting researchers of failing to rebut contradictory evidence...[[Special:Contributions/172.69.223.169|172.69.223.169]] 10:05, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
 I impressed myself by correctly remembering that the author of "Structure of Scientific Revolution" was Thomas Kuhn. It was assigned reading in a philosophy of science class I took over 40 years ago, but I haven't had to think about it much since then. [[User:Barmar|Barmar]] ([[User talk:Barmar|talk]]) 00:43, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

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 :Wouldn't the inconvenient new evidence be the justification for the backlash against the prevailing concensus, not the reason why the new evidence is ignored? I'm not going to try to explain this comic, I'm lost already. [[User:Barmar|Barmar]] ([[User talk:Barmar|talk]]) 00:46, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 ::It was the backlash that ignored the new evidence. The new evidence wasn't adopted by the 'backlashers', as I read it, so couldn't be their justification. (Or at least that's how the conventional wisdom interprets it, which of course could be wrong!) [[Special:Contributions/162.158.34.23|162.158.34.23]] 00:56, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 I impressed myself by correctly remembering that the author of "Structure of Scientific Revolution" was Thomas Kuhn. It was assigned reading in a philosophy of science class I took over 40 years ago, but I haven't had to think about it much since then. [[User:Barmar|Barmar]] ([[User talk:Barmar|talk]]) 00:43, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

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	That's an excellent explanation, yet I'm still not sure I understand the comic. There may be just too many layers of meta. [[User:Barmar\|Barmar]] ([[User talk:Barmar\|talk]]) 16:22, 21 November 2023 (UTC)		That's an excellent explanation, yet I'm still not sure I understand the comic. There may be just too many layers of meta. [[User:Barmar\|Barmar]] ([[User talk:Barmar\|talk]]) 16:22, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

−	Unclothed evidence would certainly be ~~unwelcome~~, to say no more, in the puritanical Church of Scientific Dogma. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.210.40\|172.70.210.40]] 17:39, 21 November 2023 (UTC)	+	Unclothed evidence would certainly be inconvenient, to say no more, in the puritanical Church of Scientific Dogma. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.210.40\|172.70.210.40]] 17:39, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

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 :I'm not typing color codes, but I figured it would make more sense to coordinate the color by compound word, not roots. So "dogma" would be one color, "mainstream" would be another, etc. And then "dogstream" would be two-tone. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.178.11|172.70.178.11]] 09:47, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 ::On that topic, I think the description for "rematic" should be changed to more clearly reflect the combination of "revisionist" and "dogmatic"; I don't think it implies any relation to "remake", "remix", "refurbish" or "recycle", even if the ultimate meaning is similar (and I'm not sure that's the case anyway). [[Special:Contributions/162.158.90.161|162.158.90.161]] 17:27, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 That's an excellent explanation, yet I'm still not sure I understand the comic. There may be just too many layers of meta. [[User:Barmar|Barmar]] ([[User talk:Barmar|talk]]) 16:22, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 Unclothed evidence would certainly be unwelcome, to say no more, in the puritanical Church of Scientific Dogma. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.210.40|172.70.210.40]] 17:39, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

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	Looking for a way to depict the Title Text: "The <span style="color: #00F;">main</span><span style="color: #08F;">stream</span> <span style="color: #0FF;">dog</span><span style="color: #0F8;">ma</span> sparked a wave of <span style="color: #0FF;">dog</span><span style="color: #0F8;">mat</span><span style="color: #0F0;">ic</span> <span style="color: #8F0;">re</span><span style="color: #FF0;">vision</span><span style="color: #F80;">ism</span>, and this <span style="color: #8F0;">re</span><span style="color: #FF0;">vision</span><span style="color: #F00;">ist</span> <span style="color: #00F;">main</span><span style="color: #08F;">stream</span> <span style="color: #0FF;">dog</span><span style="color: #0F8;">mat</span><span style="color: #F80;">ism</span> has now given way to a more <span style="color: #8F0;">re</span><span style="color: #0F8;">mat</span><span style="color: #0F0;">ic</span> <span style="color: #00F;">main</span><span style="color: #FF0;">vision</span><span style="color: #F00;">ist</span> <span style="color: #0FF;">dog</span><span style="color: #08F;">stream</span>." Too garish? [[Special:Contributions/172.69.79.142\|172.69.79.142]] 00:52, 21 November 2023 (UTC)		Looking for a way to depict the Title Text: "The <span style="color: #00F;">main</span><span style="color: #08F;">stream</span> <span style="color: #0FF;">dog</span><span style="color: #0F8;">ma</span> sparked a wave of <span style="color: #0FF;">dog</span><span style="color: #0F8;">mat</span><span style="color: #0F0;">ic</span> <span style="color: #8F0;">re</span><span style="color: #FF0;">vision</span><span style="color: #F80;">ism</span>, and this <span style="color: #8F0;">re</span><span style="color: #FF0;">vision</span><span style="color: #F00;">ist</span> <span style="color: #00F;">main</span><span style="color: #08F;">stream</span> <span style="color: #0FF;">dog</span><span style="color: #0F8;">mat</span><span style="color: #F80;">ism</span> has now given way to a more <span style="color: #8F0;">re</span><span style="color: #0F8;">mat</span><span style="color: #0F0;">ic</span> <span style="color: #00F;">main</span><span style="color: #FF0;">vision</span><span style="color: #F00;">ist</span> <span style="color: #0FF;">dog</span><span style="color: #08F;">stream</span>." Too garish? [[Special:Contributions/172.69.79.142\|172.69.79.142]] 00:52, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
	:I'm not typing color codes, but I figured it would make more sense to coordinate the color by compound word, not roots. So "dogma" would be one color, "mainstream" would be another, etc. And then "dogstream" would be two-tone. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.178.11\|172.70.178.11]] 09:47, 21 November 2023 (UTC)		:I'm not typing color codes, but I figured it would make more sense to coordinate the color by compound word, not roots. So "dogma" would be one color, "mainstream" would be another, etc. And then "dogstream" would be two-tone. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.178.11\|172.70.178.11]] 09:47, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
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		+	That's an excellent explanation, yet I'm still not sure I understand the comic. There may be just too many layers of meta. [[User:Barmar\|Barmar]] ([[User talk:Barmar\|talk]]) 16:22, 21 November 2023 (UTC)