Talk:2859: Oceanography Gift - Revision history

172.71.154.8: Signed my comment with ~~~~, I hope that’s what that means

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Signed my comment with ~~~~, I hope that’s what that means

172.71.154.9: Added a comment about molecules hitting low probability pathways

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Added a comment about molecules hitting low probability pathways

172.69.79.139 at 21:09, 13 January 2024

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Terdragontra at 20:23, 13 January 2024

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172.71.178.32 at 12:00, 27 November 2023

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172.69.194.70 at 09:51, 27 November 2023

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172.71.242.37 at 09:26, 27 November 2023

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172.71.94.193 at 15:06, 26 November 2023

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172.71.178.135: Tyops...

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Tyops...

172.71.178.134: Misindented it the first time.

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Misindented it the first time.

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 : I'm not sure the overall premise is accurate; the paper is dependent on very low probability pathways, using the ability of algae to reproduce in those regions to give billions of chances of hitting those difficult pathways. The water in the bottle doesn't reproduce. {{unsigned ip|172.69.194.70|09:51, 27 November 2023}}
 :: <mumble mumble>...homeopathy...</mumble mumble> [[Special:Contributions/172.71.178.32|172.71.178.32]] 12:00, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
-:: The bottle has way more than billions of molecules in it. It has billions of billions of millions, seems like pretty good odds that one can hit the pathway.  I thought the point of the comic is that no matter where you go in the ocean you’ll find at least one molecule from the bottle, kinda like your lungs right now contain at least one molecule from Caesar’s last breath.
+:: The bottle has way more than billions of molecules in it. It has billions of billions of millions, seems like pretty good odds that one can hit the pathway.  I thought the point of the comic is that no matter where you go in the ocean you’ll find at least one molecule from the bottle, kinda like your lungs right now contain at least one molecule from Caesar’s last breath. [[Special:Contributions/172.71.154.8|172.71.154.8]] 22:21, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

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	: I'm not sure the overall premise is accurate; the paper is dependent on very low probability pathways, using the ability of algae to reproduce in those regions to give billions of chances of hitting those difficult pathways. The water in the bottle doesn't reproduce. {{unsigned ip\|172.69.194.70\|09:51, 27 November 2023}}		: I'm not sure the overall premise is accurate; the paper is dependent on very low probability pathways, using the ability of algae to reproduce in those regions to give billions of chances of hitting those difficult pathways. The water in the bottle doesn't reproduce. {{unsigned ip\|172.69.194.70\|09:51, 27 November 2023}}
	:: <mumble mumble>...homeopathy...</mumble mumble> [[Special:Contributions/172.71.178.32\|172.71.178.32]] 12:00, 27 November 2023 (UTC)		:: <mumble mumble>...homeopathy...</mumble mumble> [[Special:Contributions/172.71.178.32\|172.71.178.32]] 12:00, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
		+	:: The bottle has way more than billions of molecules in it. It has billions of billions of millions, seems like pretty good odds that one can hit the pathway. I thought the point of the comic is that no matter where you go in the ocean you’ll find at least one molecule from the bottle, kinda like your lungs right now contain at least one molecule from Caesar’s last breath.

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	::: I am not inclined to call the Mediterranean an "inland sea" either, at first thought... but upon inspection, perhaps only because Europe and Africa are separate continents, which makes it feel less "enclosed" and more of a "border", which is not a very good reason. [[User:Terdragontra\|Terdragontra]] ([[User talk:Terdragontra\|talk]]) 20:23, 13 January 2024 (UTC)		::: I am not inclined to call the Mediterranean an "inland sea" either, at first thought... but upon inspection, perhaps only because Europe and Africa are separate continents, which makes it feel less "enclosed" and more of a "border", which is not a very good reason. [[User:Terdragontra\|Terdragontra]] ([[User talk:Terdragontra\|talk]]) 20:23, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
		+	:::: Well, (very-pre-)historically, it was the Tethys Ocean, before the continents started to close up like they have done. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.79.139\|172.69.79.139]] 21:09, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

	: Randall says that molecules intended for the Med ''may'' be returned as undeliverable - not that they ''will''. I would read that to mean that they're more likely to end up back where they started than they are to make it to a destination in the Med, in which case the current explanation is a bit off base.[[Special:Contributions/172.71.242.37\|172.71.242.37]] 09:26, 27 November 2023 (UTC)		: Randall says that molecules intended for the Med ''may'' be returned as undeliverable - not that they ''will''. I would read that to mean that they're more likely to end up back where they started than they are to make it to a destination in the Med, in which case the current explanation is a bit off base.[[Special:Contributions/172.71.242.37\|172.71.242.37]] 09:26, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

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 ::i.e. complex, and I think Randall's wording is not perfect. And yet to see if I can go back and improve/correct/support the Explanation. [[Special:Contributions/172.71.178.134|172.71.178.134]] 18:47, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 ::...and, re: the later edit about the Suez, yes. That too. Meant to consider it, in my re-edit, but forgot to finish checking which way the flow was (or tended to be). Good catch, though. [[Special:Contributions/172.71.94.193|172.71.94.193]] 15:06, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 : Randall says that molecules intended for the Med ''may'' be returned as undeliverable - not that they ''will''. I would read that to mean that they're more likely to end up back where they started than they are to make it to a destination in the Med, in which case the current explanation is a bit off base.[[Special:Contributions/172.71.242.37|172.71.242.37]] 09:26, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

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	: Randall says that molecules intended for the Med ''may'' be returned as undeliverable - not that they ''will''. I would read that to mean that they're more likely to end up back where they started than they are to make it to a destination in the Med, in which case the current explanation is a bit off base.[[Special:Contributions/172.71.242.37\|172.71.242.37]] 09:26, 27 November 2023 (UTC)		: Randall says that molecules intended for the Med ''may'' be returned as undeliverable - not that they ''will''. I would read that to mean that they're more likely to end up back where they started than they are to make it to a destination in the Med, in which case the current explanation is a bit off base.[[Special:Contributions/172.71.242.37\|172.71.242.37]] 09:26, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

−	: I'm not sure the overall premise is accurate; the paper is dependent on very low probability pathways, using the ability of algae to reproduce in those regions to give billions of chances of hitting those difficult pathways. The water in the bottle doesn't reproduce.	+	: I'm not sure the overall premise is accurate; the paper is dependent on very low probability pathways, using the ability of algae to reproduce in those regions to give billions of chances of hitting those difficult pathways. The water in the bottle doesn't reproduce. {{unsigned ip\|172.69.194.70\|09:51, 27 November 2023}}
		+	:: <mumble mumble>...homeopathy...</mumble mumble> [[Special:Contributions/172.71.178.32\|172.71.178.32]] 12:00, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

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	: Randall says that molecules intended for the Med ''may'' be returned as undeliverable - not that they ''will''. I would read that to mean that they're more likely to end up back where they started than they are to make it to a destination in the Med, in which case the current explanation is a bit off base.[[Special:Contributions/172.71.242.37\|172.71.242.37]] 09:26, 27 November 2023 (UTC)		: Randall says that molecules intended for the Med ''may'' be returned as undeliverable - not that they ''will''. I would read that to mean that they're more likely to end up back where they started than they are to make it to a destination in the Med, in which case the current explanation is a bit off base.[[Special:Contributions/172.71.242.37\|172.71.242.37]] 09:26, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
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		+	: I'm not sure the overall premise is accurate; the paper is dependent on very low probability pathways, using the ability of algae to reproduce in those regions to give billions of chances of hitting those difficult pathways. The water in the bottle doesn't reproduce.

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	::i.e. complex, and I think Randall's wording is not perfect. And yet to see if I can go back and improve/correct/support the Explanation. [[Special:Contributions/172.71.178.134\|172.71.178.134]] 18:47, 25 November 2023 (UTC)		::i.e. complex, and I think Randall's wording is not perfect. And yet to see if I can go back and improve/correct/support the Explanation. [[Special:Contributions/172.71.178.134\|172.71.178.134]] 18:47, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
	::...and, re: the later edit about the Suez, yes. That too. Meant to consider it, in my re-edit, but forgot to finish checking which way the flow was (or tended to be). Good catch, though. [[Special:Contributions/172.71.94.193\|172.71.94.193]] 15:06, 26 November 2023 (UTC)		::...and, re: the later edit about the Suez, yes. That too. Meant to consider it, in my re-edit, but forgot to finish checking which way the flow was (or tended to be). Good catch, though. [[Special:Contributions/172.71.94.193\|172.71.94.193]] 15:06, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
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		+	: Randall says that molecules intended for the Med ''may'' be returned as undeliverable - not that they ''will''. I would read that to mean that they're more likely to end up back where they started than they are to make it to a destination in the Med, in which case the current explanation is a bit off base.[[Special:Contributions/172.71.242.37\|172.71.242.37]] 09:26, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

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	::But the caveat in the Title Text of undeliverable by ''surface'' waters does apply, depending upon where you're sampling, as the Levantine sink of water takes inflowing water (that hasn't reversed around Corsica and gone straight back out) and feeds it round to the depths (and out again into the Atlantic) to a large degree. If you're relying on the 2D circulation, you lose such connectivity through the depths as well as it attaining atmospheric height...		::But the caveat in the Title Text of undeliverable by ''surface'' waters does apply, depending upon where you're sampling, as the Levantine sink of water takes inflowing water (that hasn't reversed around Corsica and gone straight back out) and feeds it round to the depths (and out again into the Atlantic) to a large degree. If you're relying on the 2D circulation, you lose such connectivity through the depths as well as it attaining atmospheric height...
	::i.e. complex, and I think Randall's wording is not perfect. And yet to see if I can go back and improve/correct/support the Explanation. [[Special:Contributions/172.71.178.134\|172.71.178.134]] 18:47, 25 November 2023 (UTC)		::i.e. complex, and I think Randall's wording is not perfect. And yet to see if I can go back and improve/correct/support the Explanation. [[Special:Contributions/172.71.178.134\|172.71.178.134]] 18:47, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
		+	::...and, re: the later edit about the Suez, yes. That too. Meant to consider it, in my re-edit, but forgot to finish checking which way the flow was (or tended to be). Good catch, though. [[Special:Contributions/172.71.94.193\|172.71.94.193]] 15:06, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

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 ::I would not have called the Med an "inland sea", either.
-::Though I Haven't read the main article/its history, since I put the very first paragraph there and invited others to add more. I presume someone took that literally (like Dead, Aral, Caspian or Salton, each with their own characteristics) rather than with the perhaps rather over-broad definition of having a single relatively narrow 'neck' connection.
+::Though I haven't read the main article/its history, since I put the very first paragraph there and invited others to add more. I presume someone took that literally (like Dead, Aral, Caspian or Salton, each with their own characteristics) rather than with the perhaps rather over-broad definition of having a single relatively narrow 'neck' connection.
-::But the caveat in the Title Text of undeliverable by ''sirface'' waters does apply, depending upon where you're sampling, as the Levantine sink of water takes inflowing water (that hasn't reversed around Corsica and gone straight back out) and feeds it round to the depths (and out again into the Atlantic) to a large degree. If you're relying on the 2D circulation, you lose such connectivity through the depths as well as it attaining atmospheric height...
+::But the caveat in the Title Text of undeliverable by ''surface'' waters does apply, depending upon where you're sampling, as the Levantine sink of water takes inflowing water (that hasn't reversed around Corsica and gone straight back out) and feeds it round to the depths (and out again into the Atlantic) to a large degree. If you're relying on the 2D circulation, you lose such connectivity through the depths as well as it attaining atmospheric height...
 ::i.e. complex, and I think Randall's wording is not perfect. And yet to see if I can go back and improve/correct/support the Explanation. [[Special:Contributions/172.71.178.134|172.71.178.134]] 18:47, 25 November 2023 (UTC)