Talk:2880: Sheet Bend - Revision history

172.71.178.157 at 19:40, 18 February 2024

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162.158.90.125: unsigned

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unsigned

172.71.178.184 at 16:28, 18 February 2024

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172.69.58.200: Sheet (isA running rigging) != Sail

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Sheet (isA running rigging) != Sail

172.69.58.201 at 16:13, 18 February 2024

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172.69.58.200: Sheet vs halyard

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Sheet vs halyard

Magicalus at 04:46, 16 January 2024

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172.69.195.229 at 17:21, 15 January 2024

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172.70.90.137 at 09:58, 15 January 2024

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172.69.43.221 at 09:52, 15 January 2024

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 :::::A sail is never, and was never, properly called a "sheet", since at least the 13th century.  The Wikipedia explanation of the name is misleading. According to https://www.etymonline.com/word/sheet, it's "shortened from Old English sceatline "sheet-line," from sceata "lower part of sail," originally "piece of cloth," from same Proto-Germanic source as sheet (n.1)." [[User:Jlearman|Jlearman]] ([[User talk:Jlearman|talk]]) 17:44, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
 :::::: When I took a sailing class as a kid they used the word “sheet”, I think it was the lines connected to the sails used for adjusting them? [[Special:Contributions/108.162.245.82|108.162.245.82]] 19:46, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
-* Sheet is used to adjust/trim a sail and a halyard is used to raise/lower sails.  Sheet '''only''' refers to a rope, ''not'' the sail.  Standing rigging are the ropes which supports masts including shrouds and stays. Running rigging adjusts the position of sails and spars including halyards, braces, sheets and vangs.  Sheets are used to control clews (movable corners of sails).
+* Sheet is used to adjust/trim a sail and a halyard is used to raise/lower sails.  Sheet '''only''' refers to a rope, ''not'' the sail.  Standing rigging are the ropes which supports masts including shrouds and stays. Running rigging adjusts the position of sails and spars including halyards, braces, sheets and vangs.  Sheets are used to control clews (movable corners of sails). {{unsigned ip|172.69.58.200|16:11, 18 February 2024}}
-** A sheet bend joins two ropes.   '''Not''' fabric to rope.  The following comment, for example, is incorrect.
+** A sheet bend joins two ropes.   '''Not''' fabric to rope.  The following comment, for example, is incorrect. {{unsigned ip|172.69.58.201|16:13, 18 February 2024}}
 ::The sheet bend is named for its ability to to secure a sail, or sheet. You fold over the corner of the sail and that's one of your "ropes". The sheet bend is generally used as a knot for tying a large, inflexible rope (or rope-like object) to a smaller, more flexible rope.[[Special:Contributions/172.69.70.22|172.69.70.22]] 22:30, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 ::I would take the Ashley Book of Knots as authoritative. Sheet Bend is the first knot in the book, and is always (in modern terms) rope-to-rope, not to sail. It is one of the basic knots. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ashley_Book_of_Knots  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheet_bend

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 :I don't know the full answer but it's a sailing thing: the 'sheet' is the rope you pull in or let out to control the position of the sail. I guess bend describes the category of knot. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.90.48|172.70.90.48]] 21:23, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 ::NO NO NO.  The sheet is the sail. [[User:JohnB|JohnB]] ([[User talk:JohnB|talk]]) 21:36, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
-:::: '''never''' has a sail been called a sheet by a sailor.  It is a rope, attached to a sail.  It has a ''very'' precise and specific meaning. {{unsigned ip|172.69.58.200|16:18, 18 February 2024
+:::: '''never''' has a sail been called a sheet by a sailor.  It is a rope, attached to a sail.  It has a ''very'' precise and specific meaning. {{unsigned ip|172.69.58.200|16:18, 18 February 2024}}
 :::It is the rope - {{w|Sheet (sailing)}}. "In sailing, a sheet is a line (rope, cable or chain) used to control the movable corner(s) (clews) of a sail." [[Special:Contributions/172.71.242.5|172.71.242.5]] 21:56, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 ::::Huh.  Dueling Wikipedia articles.  The Sheet_bend article has a definition section that says the term "sheet bend" derives from its use bending ropes to sails (sheets).  But the Sheet_(sailing) article says a sheet is a line used to control the movable corner(s) of a sail. [[User:JohnB|JohnB]] ([[User talk:JohnB|talk]]) 23:08, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

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 :I don't know the full answer but it's a sailing thing: the 'sheet' is the rope you pull in or let out to control the position of the sail. I guess bend describes the category of knot. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.90.48|172.70.90.48]] 21:23, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 ::NO NO NO.  The sheet is the sail. [[User:JohnB|JohnB]] ([[User talk:JohnB|talk]]) 21:36, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
-::: '''never''' has a sail been called a sheet by a sailor.  It is a rope, attached to a sail.  It has a ''very'' precise and specific meaning.
+:::: '''never''' has a sail been called a sheet by a sailor.  It is a rope, attached to a sail.  It has a ''very'' precise and specific meaning. {{unsigned ip|172.69.58.200|16:18, 18 February 2024
 :::It is the rope - {{w|Sheet (sailing)}}. "In sailing, a sheet is a line (rope, cable or chain) used to control the movable corner(s) (clews) of a sail." [[Special:Contributions/172.71.242.5|172.71.242.5]] 21:56, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 ::::Huh.  Dueling Wikipedia articles.  The Sheet_bend article has a definition section that says the term "sheet bend" derives from its use bending ropes to sails (sheets).  But the Sheet_(sailing) article says a sheet is a line used to control the movable corner(s) of a sail. [[User:JohnB|JohnB]] ([[User talk:JohnB|talk]]) 23:08, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

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 :I don't know the full answer but it's a sailing thing: the 'sheet' is the rope you pull in or let out to control the position of the sail. I guess bend describes the category of knot. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.90.48|172.70.90.48]] 21:23, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 ::NO NO NO.  The sheet is the sail. [[User:JohnB|JohnB]] ([[User talk:JohnB|talk]]) 21:36, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 :::It is the rope - {{w|Sheet (sailing)}}. "In sailing, a sheet is a line (rope, cable or chain) used to control the movable corner(s) (clews) of a sail." [[Special:Contributions/172.71.242.5|172.71.242.5]] 21:56, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 ::::Huh.  Dueling Wikipedia articles.  The Sheet_bend article has a definition section that says the term "sheet bend" derives from its use bending ropes to sails (sheets).  But the Sheet_(sailing) article says a sheet is a line used to control the movable corner(s) of a sail. [[User:JohnB|JohnB]] ([[User talk:JohnB|talk]]) 23:08, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

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 :::::: When I took a sailing class as a kid they used the word “sheet”, I think it was the lines connected to the sails used for adjusting them? [[Special:Contributions/108.162.245.82|108.162.245.82]] 19:46, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Sheet is used to adjust/trim a sail and a halyard is used to raise/lower sails.  Sheet '''only''' refers to a rope, ''not'' the sail.  Standing rigging are the ropes which supports masts including shrouds and stays. Running rigging adjusts the position of sails and spars including halyards, braces, sheets and vangs.  Sheets are used to control clews (movable corners of sails).
 ::The sheet bend is named for its ability to to secure a sail, or sheet. You fold over the corner of the sail and that's one of your "ropes". The sheet bend is generally used as a knot for tying a large, inflexible rope (or rope-like object) to a smaller, more flexible rope.[[Special:Contributions/172.69.70.22|172.69.70.22]] 22:30, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 ::I would take the Ashley Book of Knots as authoritative. Sheet Bend is the first knot in the book, and is always (in modern terms) rope-to-rope, not to sail. It is one of the basic knots. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ashley_Book_of_Knots  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheet_bend

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 :...see {{w|Conductive elastomer}} (and some of that article's onward links) for a possible type of material to use. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.98.156|141.101.98.156]] 18:32, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
 ;Knot category?
 We've seen some recurring knot-themes, I was thinking. A quick check shows that it's not as overwhelming as I thought it was, but here's what I easily found anyway (possibly missed some, as I skimmed things).

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	So it might just be the two 'proper knot-focused' comics, but (like 'birds' or 'real people' as categories) two or three others that should be considered relevant. Maybe wait until there's a third (it might take a year?), but placing the groundwork for it. Or maybe even being sufficient to prompt someone to act sooner, now that we can be sure that Knots is one of the many subjects Randall may dive into. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.99.131\|141.101.99.131]] 18:52, 14 January 2024 (UTC)		So it might just be the two 'proper knot-focused' comics, but (like 'birds' or 'real people' as categories) two or three others that should be considered relevant. Maybe wait until there's a third (it might take a year?), but placing the groundwork for it. Or maybe even being sufficient to prompt someone to act sooner, now that we can be sure that Knots is one of the many subjects Randall may dive into. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.99.131\|141.101.99.131]] 18:52, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
	:The android comic doesn't mention knots. It is only the explanation here that does. The circuit diagram may have a knot, but it is not labeled, and could be something else. Not like saying this is a comic about knots. Of course it has a relation to this comic, but the relation is more in the connector than in knots. The survey doesn't have knot mentioned in the actual comic. Knots are for sure mentioned in a word in Moving boxes, but the comic is not about knots. Which leaves only Omniknot and this one, and I think even three about knots would be too little for a category. So unless there are at least a couple more, it is way too soon to make a knot comic category. But would be fine to include a link between the two knot comics. I will do that! --[[User:Kynde\|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde\|talk]]) 07:43, 15 January 2024 (UTC)		:The android comic doesn't mention knots. It is only the explanation here that does. The circuit diagram may have a knot, but it is not labeled, and could be something else. Not like saying this is a comic about knots. Of course it has a relation to this comic, but the relation is more in the connector than in knots. The survey doesn't have knot mentioned in the actual comic. Knots are for sure mentioned in a word in Moving boxes, but the comic is not about knots. Which leaves only Omniknot and this one, and I think even three about knots would be too little for a category. So unless there are at least a couple more, it is way too soon to make a knot comic category. But would be fine to include a link between the two knot comics. I will do that! --[[User:Kynde\|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde\|talk]]) 07:43, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
		+	::(You'll note that I expicitly pre-stated each of your 'objections', already. Not sure, then, why you thought I didn't realise any of it...) As I said, I had an impression that it was a well-used trope, here, but found it less so when I checked. But definitely not an unused one. So marked it here to avoid having to necessarily recheck everything once the next one arrived (or the one after that, etc, if still not conclusive). Although it's also possible I missed other good exameples, already... ;) [[Special:Contributions/172.69.195.229\|172.69.195.229]] 17:21, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

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 :::But what dispute are you taking TABoK's authority on?  Two things can have the same name in different contexts (or namespaces).  And does Ashley use anything other than ropes exclusively in the whole book?  [[Special:Contributions/108.162.241.170|108.162.241.170]] 14:42, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
 :I added a link to the wikipedia entry, it explains the name. [[User:Barmar|Barmar]] ([[User talk:Barmar|talk]]) 21:25, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 Presumably the "different loads" title text is a pun between electrical load and mechanical stress on the knot? [[User:Jim-at-home|Jim-at-home]] ([[User talk:Jim-at-home|talk]]) 21:56, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 “silver being joined to silver and gold being joined to gold within the insulating white cable” is not the conventional way to join cables.