Talk:2903: Earth/Venus Venn Diagram - Revision history

Psychoticpotato at 21:35, 6 May 2024

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Transgalactic at 21:53, 19 March 2024

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Transgalactic at 15:00, 13 March 2024

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172.70.90.220 at 19:00, 12 March 2024

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Transgalactic: Venn diagram explanation should be revised

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Venn diagram explanation should be revised

172.70.90.71 at 09:07, 11 March 2024

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42.book.addict at 21:02, 8 March 2024

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1234231587678 at 20:32, 8 March 2024

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162.158.74.24 at 11:01, 8 March 2024

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Asdf: Undo revision 336783 by 172.71.142.49 (talk) It's ruder to edit other's comments

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Undo revision 336783 by 172.71.142.49 (talk) It's ruder to edit other's comments

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	The "Citation Needed" on "This Would Be Dangerous" is killing me. [[User:OmniDoom\|OmniDoom]] ([[User talk:OmniDoom\|talk]]) 01:27, 8 March 2024 (UTC)		The "Citation Needed" on "This Would Be Dangerous" is killing me. [[User:OmniDoom\|OmniDoom]] ([[User talk:OmniDoom\|talk]]) 01:27, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
	: Minor update, just read [[285: Wikipedian Protester]] and that just makes everything even better. [[User:OmniDoom\|OmniDoom]] ([[User talk:OmniDoom\|talk]]) 01:33, 8 March 2024 (UTC)		: Minor update, just read [[285: Wikipedian Protester]] and that just makes everything even better. [[User:OmniDoom\|OmniDoom]] ([[User talk:OmniDoom\|talk]]) 01:33, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
		+	:"Everything in the universe colliding at once would be dangerous." YOU DON'T SAY! [[User:Psychoticpotato\|Psychoticpotato]] ([[User talk:Psychoticpotato\|talk]]) 21:35, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

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	:Anyway, this is more a case of the joke. You see a diagram, perhaps others see a representation of a collision (and argue that the shockwave is probably not confined to the combined "volume that was" of both bodies, and impact ejecta is probably jetting out of the collision zone (well into space, and some is probably raining down on the 'safe' edges of the respective planets - all in all just adding to the current problems, though it's doubtful that it changes the ultimate fate of everyone, or not, if they have sturdy enough umbrellas). And it works (FCVO 'work') for both viewpoints. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.90.220\|172.70.90.220]] 19:00, 12 March 2024 (UTC)		:Anyway, this is more a case of the joke. You see a diagram, perhaps others see a representation of a collision (and argue that the shockwave is probably not confined to the combined "volume that was" of both bodies, and impact ejecta is probably jetting out of the collision zone (well into space, and some is probably raining down on the 'safe' edges of the respective planets - all in all just adding to the current problems, though it's doubtful that it changes the ultimate fate of everyone, or not, if they have sturdy enough umbrellas). And it works (FCVO 'work') for both viewpoints. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.90.220\|172.70.90.220]] 19:00, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
	::I don't see how this answers my point, so I edited the explanation to clarify the difference between the illustration of an Earth/Venus collision and the representation of Earth/Venus logical relations. [[User:Transgalactic\|Transgalactic]] ([[User talk:Transgalactic\|talk]]) 15:00, 13 March 2024 (UTC)		::I don't see how this answers my point, so I edited the explanation to clarify the difference between the illustration of an Earth/Venus collision and the representation of Earth/Venus logical relations. [[User:Transgalactic\|Transgalactic]] ([[User talk:Transgalactic\|talk]]) 15:00, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
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		+	Sorry to break it to you, guys, but a Venn diagram cannot show a "collision moment". It's about abstract relations of commonality and difference. In this case we can infer that the diagram can only apply during a collision event, but the Venn diagram doesn't actually say so. If you feel that talking about separate "Venus" and "Earth" entities etc. is overly complicated language, fine, find a way to cut away the clutter, but please don't turn the whole explanation of the Venn diagram into an explanation of something that isn't a Venn diagram. [[User:Transgalactic\|Transgalactic]] ([[User talk:Transgalactic\|talk]]) 21:53, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

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 - But a Venn diagram is about logical relations, so the shapes and sizes of the areas are irrelevant. To me, that's the whole point of the joke, that it's really hard to see a drawing of round planets when your mind is trained to see a drawing of abstract logical relations under the title "Earth/Venus Venn Diagram". (Like, I stared at the comic blankly for minutes, thinking, why the heck should Earth and Venus only have shock waves and impact ejecta in common...) [[User:Transgalactic|Transgalactic]] ([[User talk:Transgalactic|talk]]) 16:01, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
 :The fact that Venus and Earth have, in a fact-only reading, potentially more things in common isn't really an issue. That would presuppose that Venn and/or Euler diagrams must show everything possible in any given (possibly composite) region. Although the Venn must have a sub-region for every possible combination of possibilities (or none), and the Euler must have one for every combination (of featured sets) that has an item requiring placing, you don't need to place every possible entity anywhere it can be. (You ''can'', by logic, e.g. the subsets A-and-not-B, B-and-not-A, A-and-B and neither-A-nor-B in an A+B diagram, but even then you don't need to give C and not-C additional). Something that might feature in both Earth and Venus (logically, like... solar neutrinos? the remains of some of earth's spacecraft?) could be placed there, but we also don't list all the things in neither (ice volcanos, the Greater Magellanic Cloud, colourless green ideas sleeping furiously) in the surrounding not-either space.
 :Anyway, this is more a case of the joke. You see a diagram, perhaps others see a representation of a collision (and argue that the shockwave is probably not confined to the combined "volume that was" of both bodies, and impact ejecta is probably jetting out of the collision zone (well into space, and some is probably raining down on the 'safe' edges of the respective planets - all in all just adding to the current problems, though it's doubtful that it changes the ultimate fate of everyone, or not, if they have sturdy enough umbrellas). And it works (FCVO 'work') for both viewpoints. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.90.220|172.70.90.220]] 19:00, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

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	The Venn diagram explanation sounds flawed: ''"As a Venn diagram, it shows that there is a region of one sphere that is still recognizably Earth, a region of the other that is still recognizably Venus, and a region common to both that consists of "shockwaves and production of impact ejecta," and that this area of overlap is now neither Earth nor Venus, but an intermingled combination of the two."''		The Venn diagram explanation sounds flawed: ''"As a Venn diagram, it shows that there is a region of one sphere that is still recognizably Earth, a region of the other that is still recognizably Venus, and a region common to both that consists of "shockwaves and production of impact ejecta," and that this area of overlap is now neither Earth nor Venus, but an intermingled combination of the two."''
	- But a Venn diagram is about logical relations, so the shapes and sizes of the areas are irrelevant. To me, that's the whole point of the joke, that it's really hard to see a drawing of round planets when your mind is trained to see a drawing of abstract logical relations under the title "Earth/Venus Venn Diagram". (Like, I stared at the comic blankly for minutes, thinking, why the heck should Earth and Venus only have shock waves and impact ejecta in common...) [[User:Transgalactic\|Transgalactic]] ([[User talk:Transgalactic\|talk]]) 16:01, 12 March 2024 (UTC)		- But a Venn diagram is about logical relations, so the shapes and sizes of the areas are irrelevant. To me, that's the whole point of the joke, that it's really hard to see a drawing of round planets when your mind is trained to see a drawing of abstract logical relations under the title "Earth/Venus Venn Diagram". (Like, I stared at the comic blankly for minutes, thinking, why the heck should Earth and Venus only have shock waves and impact ejecta in common...) [[User:Transgalactic\|Transgalactic]] ([[User talk:Transgalactic\|talk]]) 16:01, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
		+	:The fact that Venus and Earth have, in a fact-only reading, potentially more things in common isn't really an issue. That would presuppose that Venn and/or Euler diagrams must show everything possible in any given (possibly composite) region. Although the Venn must have a sub-region for every possible combination of possibilities (or none), and the Euler must have one for every combination (of featured sets) that has an item requiring placing, you don't need to place every possible entity anywhere it can be. (You ''can'', by logic, e.g. the subsets A-and-not-B, B-and-not-A, A-and-B and neither-A-nor-B in an A+B diagram, but even then you don't need to give C and not-C additional). Something that might feature in both Earth and Venus (logically, like... solar neutrinos? the remains of some of earth's spacecraft?) could be placed there, but we also don't list all the things in neither (ice volcanos, the Greater Magellanic Cloud, colourless green ideas sleeping furiously) in the surrounding not-either space.
		+	:Anyway, this is more a case of the joke. You see a diagram, perhaps others see a representation of a collision (and argue that the shockwave is probably not confined to the combined "volume that was" of both bodies, and impact ejecta is probably jetting out of the collision zone (well into space, and some is probably raining down on the 'safe' edges of the respective planets - all in all just adding to the current problems, though it's doubtful that it changes the ultimate fate of everyone, or not, if they have sturdy enough umbrellas). And it works (FCVO 'work') for both viewpoints. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.90.220\|172.70.90.220]] 19:00, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

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	:idk, but it's not funny. --[[User:1234231587678\|1234231587678]] ([[User talk:1234231587678\|talk]]) 20:32, 8 March 2024 (UTC)		:idk, but it's not funny. --[[User:1234231587678\|1234231587678]] ([[User talk:1234231587678\|talk]]) 20:32, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
	::fr. like, JUST STOP IT ITS USELESS AND ANNOYING [[User:42.book.addict\|42.book.addict]] ([[User talk:42.book.addict\|talk]]) 21:02, 8 March 2024 (UTC)		::fr. like, JUST STOP IT ITS USELESS AND ANNOYING [[User:42.book.addict\|42.book.addict]] ([[User talk:42.book.addict\|talk]]) 21:02, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
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		+	The Venn diagram explanation sounds flawed: ''"As a Venn diagram, it shows that there is a region of one sphere that is still recognizably Earth, a region of the other that is still recognizably Venus, and a region common to both that consists of "shockwaves and production of impact ejecta," and that this area of overlap is now neither Earth nor Venus, but an intermingled combination of the two."''
		+	- But a Venn diagram is about logical relations, so the shapes and sizes of the areas are irrelevant. To me, that's the whole point of the joke, that it's really hard to see a drawing of round planets when your mind is trained to see a drawing of abstract logical relations under the title "Earth/Venus Venn Diagram". (Like, I stared at the comic blankly for minutes, thinking, why the heck should Earth and Venus only have shock waves and impact ejecta in common...) [[User:Transgalactic\|Transgalactic]] ([[User talk:Transgalactic\|talk]]) 16:01, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

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 who tf keeps vandalising this place--[[Special:Contributions/162.158.74.24|162.158.74.24]] 11:01, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
-idk, but it's not funny. --[[User:1234231587678|1234231587678]] ([[User talk:1234231587678|talk]]) 20:32, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
+:idk, but it's not funny. --[[User:1234231587678|1234231587678]] ([[User talk:1234231587678|talk]]) 20:32, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
-:fr. like, JUST STOP IT ITS USELESS AND ANNOYING [[User:42.book.addict|42.book.addict]] ([[User talk:42.book.addict|talk]]) 21:02, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
+::fr. like, JUST STOP IT ITS USELESS AND ANNOYING [[User:42.book.addict|42.book.addict]] ([[User talk:42.book.addict|talk]]) 21:02, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

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	idk, but it's not funny. --[[User:1234231587678\|1234231587678]] ([[User talk:1234231587678\|talk]]) 20:32, 8 March 2024 (UTC)		idk, but it's not funny. --[[User:1234231587678\|1234231587678]] ([[User talk:1234231587678\|talk]]) 20:32, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
		+	:fr. like, JUST STOP IT ITS USELESS AND ANNOYING [[User:42.book.addict\|42.book.addict]] ([[User talk:42.book.addict\|talk]]) 21:02, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

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	who tf keeps vandalising this place--[[Special:Contributions/162.158.74.24\|162.158.74.24]] 11:01, 8 March 2024 (UTC)		who tf keeps vandalising this place--[[Special:Contributions/162.158.74.24\|162.158.74.24]] 11:01, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
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		+	idk, but it's not funny. --[[User:1234231587678\|1234231587678]] ([[User talk:1234231587678\|talk]]) 20:32, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

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	The "Citation Needed" on "This Would Be Dangerous" is killing me. [[User:OmniDoom\|OmniDoom]] ([[User talk:OmniDoom\|talk]]) 01:27, 8 March 2024 (UTC)		The "Citation Needed" on "This Would Be Dangerous" is killing me. [[User:OmniDoom\|OmniDoom]] ([[User talk:OmniDoom\|talk]]) 01:27, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
	: Minor update, just read [[285: Wikipedian Protester]] and that just makes everything even better. [[User:OmniDoom\|OmniDoom]] ([[User talk:OmniDoom\|talk]]) 01:33, 8 March 2024 (UTC)		: Minor update, just read [[285: Wikipedian Protester]] and that just makes everything even better. [[User:OmniDoom\|OmniDoom]] ([[User talk:OmniDoom\|talk]]) 01:33, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
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		+	who tf keeps vandalising this place--[[Special:Contributions/162.158.74.24\|162.158.74.24]] 11:01, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

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 See also [[2721: Euler Diagrams]] [[Special:Contributions/108.162.245.49|108.162.245.49]] 07:13, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
-Isn't this also a s*xual innuendo? I mean... shock waves producing ejecta? Venus? anyone? {{unsigned ip|162.158.189.33}}
+Isn't this also a sexual innuendo? I mean... shock waves producing ejecta? Venus? anyone? {{unsigned ip|162.158.189.33}}
-:Sure, as always it is only mentioned, whenever there is not a s*xual innuendo by scientists, as collisions and planets and diagrams t*rn them on. Sebastian --[[Special:Contributions/172.68.110.65|172.68.110.65]] 11:56, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
+:Sure, as always it is only mentioned, whenever there is not a sexual innuendo by scientists, as collisions and planets and diagrams turn them on. Sebastian --[[Special:Contributions/172.68.110.65|172.68.110.65]] 11:56, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
-::That is really funny. But no there is no s*xual reference in a collision between planets. What is in the middle is what would happen in the collision zone. Venus is the name of a planet here... --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 12:57, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
+::That is really funny. But no there is no sexual reference in a collision between planets. What is in the middle is what would happen in the collision zone. Venus is the name of a planet here... --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 12:57, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
 :::All a matter of perspective - depends how Earthy your interpretation is.[[Special:Contributions/172.71.242.176|172.71.242.176]] 14:55, 7 March 2024 (UTC)