Talk:2913: Periodic Table Regions - Revision history

BunsenH: tom lehrer

2024-04-02T16:02:40Z

tom lehrer

172.69.194.121 at 09:05, 2 April 2024

2024-04-02T09:05:13Z

172.69.194.121 at 09:04, 2 April 2024

2024-04-02T09:04:51Z

172.70.231.87: Just wanted to complain about silicon getting done dirty. Not particularly substantive.

2024-04-01T18:12:58Z

Just wanted to complain about silicon getting done dirty. Not particularly substantive.

BunsenH at 20:01, 31 March 2024

2024-03-31T20:01:45Z

BunsenH at 19:59, 31 March 2024

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BunsenH at 15:50, 31 March 2024

2024-03-31T15:50:14Z

172.70.115.185: Hahnium

2024-03-31T14:12:45Z

Hahnium

162.158.74.24 at 00:40, 31 March 2024

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172.68.110.60 at 20:36, 30 March 2024

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	I initially read the 'don't bother learning them' line as saying that these elements are "hard to pronounce in large quantities". Which, funnily enough, isn't far wrong.[[Special:Contributions/172.69.194.121\|172.69.194.121]] 09:04, 2 April 2024 (UTC)		I initially read the 'don't bother learning them' line as saying that these elements are "hard to pronounce in large quantities". Which, funnily enough, isn't far wrong.[[Special:Contributions/172.69.194.121\|172.69.194.121]] 09:04, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
		+	:It helps if one [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcS3NOQnsQM sets them to music]. :-) [[User:BunsenH\|BunsenH]] ([[User talk:BunsenH\|talk]]) 16:02, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

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	Can we all agree that silicon got done dirty? [[Special:Contributions/172.70.231.87\|172.70.231.87]] 18:12, 1 April 2024 (UTC)		Can we all agree that silicon got done dirty? [[Special:Contributions/172.70.231.87\|172.70.231.87]] 18:12, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

−	I initially read the 'don't bother learning them' line as saying that these elements are "hard to pronounce in large quantities. Which, funnily enough, isn't far wrong.[[Special:Contributions/172.69.194.121\|172.69.194.121]] 09:04, 2 April 2024 (UTC)	+	I initially read the 'don't bother learning them' line as saying that these elements are "hard to pronounce in large quantities". Which, funnily enough, isn't far wrong.[[Special:Contributions/172.69.194.121\|172.69.194.121]] 09:04, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

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	Can we all agree that silicon got done dirty? [[Special:Contributions/172.70.231.87\|172.70.231.87]] 18:12, 1 April 2024 (UTC)		Can we all agree that silicon got done dirty? [[Special:Contributions/172.70.231.87\|172.70.231.87]] 18:12, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
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		+	I initially read the 'don't bother learning them' line as saying that these elements are "hard to pronounce in large quantities. Which, funnily enough, isn't far wrong.[[Special:Contributions/172.69.194.121\|172.69.194.121]] 09:04, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

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	*As I was making sure the Group column sorted nicely, I sneakily gave the Lanths/Acts 'pseudo group' numbers to perhaps keep them/restore them to the correct relative position without ''necessarily'' relying upon an Atomic Number sort. You can also do anything you like with the non-sort display item for that column ("Group IIb"/etc), that way.		*As I was making sure the Group column sorted nicely, I sneakily gave the Lanths/Acts 'pseudo group' numbers to perhaps keep them/restore them to the correct relative position without ''necessarily'' relying upon an Atomic Number sort. You can also do anything you like with the non-sort display item for that column ("Group IIb"/etc), that way.
	Anyway, now it's here, if anyone wants to do anything more with it. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.74.24\|162.158.74.24]] 00:40, 31 March 2024 (UTC)		Anyway, now it's here, if anyone wants to do anything more with it. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.74.24\|162.158.74.24]] 00:40, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
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		+	Can we all agree that silicon got done dirty? [[Special:Contributions/172.70.231.87\|172.70.231.87]] 18:12, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

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 Currently Titanium appears twice in the table. Sebastian --[[Special:Contributions/172.68.110.60|172.68.110.60]] 20:36, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
 :Fixed.  Some of the elements are split between "groups", but titanium is solidly in the "regular metals". [[User:BunsenH|BunsenH]] ([[User talk:BunsenH|talk]]) 15:50, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
-::Okay, there seems to be some disagreement on this one.  The titanium box (4th row, 4th column) is almost entirely in the "regular metals" region; in fact, the region swells up ''for'' titanium so as to capture most of that box.  Should it be listed in both that region and the "boring alloy metals" region? I don't think so, but ...? [[User:BunsenH|BunsenH]] ([[User talk:BunsenH|talk]]) 19:59, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
+::Okay, there seems to be some disagreement on this one.  The titanium box (4th row, 4th column) is almost entirely in the "regular metals" region; in fact, the region swells up ''for'' titanium so as to capture most of that box.  Should it be listed in both that region and the "boring alloy metals" region? I don't think so, but ...?  My inclination is to have it in only one group, which is obviously "regular metals". [[User:BunsenH|BunsenH]] ([[User talk:BunsenH|talk]]) 19:59, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 I had a bit of time to spare, and I was considering the following either as a reworking of the table or an "indexing" table (make all xkcd main/overlap class names link to the appropriate internal section-headers, so we don't need to squash them up into a narrow column, and can add a "complete list" of elements to as a closing paragraph if that seems best) ...

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	Currently Titanium appears twice in the table. Sebastian --[[Special:Contributions/172.68.110.60\|172.68.110.60]] 20:36, 30 March 2024 (UTC)		Currently Titanium appears twice in the table. Sebastian --[[Special:Contributions/172.68.110.60\|172.68.110.60]] 20:36, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
		+	:Fixed. Some of the elements are split between "groups", but titanium is solidly in the "regular metals". [[User:BunsenH\|BunsenH]] ([[User talk:BunsenH\|talk]]) 15:50, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

	I had a bit of time to spare, and I was considering the following either as a reworking of the table or an "indexing" table (make all xkcd main/overlap class names link to the appropriate internal section-headers, so we don't need to squash them up into a narrow column, and can add a "complete list" of elements to as a closing paragraph if that seems best) ...		I had a bit of time to spare, and I was considering the following either as a reworking of the table or an "indexing" table (make all xkcd main/overlap class names link to the appropriate internal section-headers, so we don't need to squash them up into a narrow column, and can add a "complete list" of elements to as a closing paragraph if that seems best) ...

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 ::::I actually learnt my chemistry in a (UK) lab with a wall-poster periodic table that had Hahnium shown on it. But I can't quite remember in what position, nor can I remember enough of the other differences (there being several) from the actual 'official' namings, so cannot be sure exactly what provenance it had. Pre '92, though, which rules out some of the options.
 ::::...but memorable enough for me to 'keep an eye out' for the fate of the name in later years. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.43.243|172.69.43.243]] 21:56, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
+:::::Being a Nazi ended it for him. Russians don't like Nazis and wouldn't allow the name to go through. Meitnerium was a carefully chosen slap in the face. I wouldn't count on Hahnium happening any time soon.[[Special:Contributions/172.70.115.185|172.70.115.185]] 14:12, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 What about the two categories implied by "Ends in a number, let it slumber. Ends in a letter, not much better"? Which elements are in which? -- [[User:Dtgriscom|Dtgriscom]] ([[User talk:Dtgriscom|talk]]) 01:36, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
 :I'd say "all in both". Any given "fooium" is going to be a reactive element that (especially as you go further down) is nasty to deal with 'raw'. But not as nasty as "fooium-123", which highly suggests a nuclear decay product that will further decay. [[Special:Contributions/172.71.178.218|172.71.178.218]] 02:39, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

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	There should be a map with the elements under the bubbles [[User:Moderator\|Moderator]] ([[User talk:Moderator\|talk]]) 16:42, 30 March 2024 (UTC)		There should be a map with the elements under the bubbles [[User:Moderator\|Moderator]] ([[User talk:Moderator\|talk]]) 16:42, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
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		+	Currently Titanium appears twice in the table. Sebastian --[[Special:Contributions/172.68.110.60\|172.68.110.60]] 20:36, 30 March 2024 (UTC)