Talk:2953: Alien Theories - Revision history

42.book.addict at 01:15, 23 August 2024

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172.70.90.122 at 10:23, 4 July 2024

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Ianrbibtitlht: Note additional of Trivia section in Discussion

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Note additional of Trivia section in Discussion

172.70.86.11 at 08:29, 3 July 2024

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172.70.163.120: /* Cueball is an alien? */

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‎Cueball is an alien?

172.70.162.185 at 08:19, 3 July 2024

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172.71.160.133: /* Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence */ black swan

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‎Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence: black swan

Terdragontra: Accidentally sliced comment in half

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Accidentally sliced comment in half

Terdragontra at 23:29, 2 July 2024

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Yorkshire Pudding at 19:01, 2 July 2024

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 ::: There's a simple answer to this: whenever it feels reasonable to do so. This doesn't feel very nice to a certain type of mind that loves thinking (like mine), but my life experience has taught me relatively recently that there are things you should do without thinking about it. (In this particular case, well, the solar system is much bigger than a cupboard! If we learned there have been aliens watching us, not wanting to be detected, my sense of reality would not be shattered, its not stupidly implausible. I can believe this while still believing any conspiracy theories telling you specifics about what they are doing are just making it up/mistaken/mentally ill/etc etc)[[User:Terdragontra|Terdragontra]] ([[User talk:Terdragontra|talk]]) 23:29, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 ::: A cupboard is easy to exhaustively search. But there are things I thought I had lost somewhere that later turned up in the house anyway. Some things are just good at hiding. (The "black swan" is an example of that.) If an alien probe crashed in the rainforest 100 years ago, we may never know. [[Special:Contributions/172.71.160.133|172.71.160.133]] 05:14, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
+:if we don’t search a specific part of our galaxy, then we create a superposition of some sort right? aliens MIGHT exist, but we’ll never know, meaning that according to that cat trapped in a cardboard box in the attic of my house (/s i don’t have an attic in my house) aliens both exist and don’t exist at the same time. [[User:42.book.addict|42.book.addict]] ([[User talk:42.book.addict|talk]]) 01:15, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
 ==The 5 Observables==
 Nowadays, the believers' gold standard for <s>UFOs</s> UAPs is this:

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 I understood this differently. I think the UFOs have come to Earth to investigate our conspiracy theories about UFOs with capabilities far beyond what the "real" UFOs posses. [[User:Baruch|Baruch]] ([[User talk:Baruch|talk]]) 07:43, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
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 {{quote|They are people like me who see this as an incredible mystery and enigma that that needs to be resolved.|Chris Mellon|https://www.history.com/news/chris-mellon-ufo-investigations}} [[Special:Contributions/172.68.194.201|172.68.194.201]] 10:51, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

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	{{quote\|They are people like me who see this as an incredible mystery and enigma that that needs to be resolved.\|Chris Mellon\|https://www.history.com/news/chris-mellon-ufo-investigations}} [[Special:Contributions/172.68.194.201\|172.68.194.201]] 10:51, 2 July 2024 (UTC)		{{quote\|They are people like me who see this as an incredible mystery and enigma that that needs to be resolved.\|Chris Mellon\|https://www.history.com/news/chris-mellon-ufo-investigations}} [[Special:Contributions/172.68.194.201\|172.68.194.201]] 10:51, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
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		+	I moved the note on release date to a new Trivia section, since it's not directly related to the comic. (Why are all of the discussion posts under special heading sections without a general discussion area? That is just annoying.) [[User:Ianrbibtitlht\|Ianrbibtitlht]] ([[User talk:Ianrbibtitlht\|talk]]) 19:40, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

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 :Thus Cueball is trying to get the visible aliens to abandon their beliefs in the non-visible aliens by making them think that "anything alien" is ''them'' (those present), and ignore the signs of any subsequent 'visitation'.
 :(Note though, that given the prior prediliction for the saucer-people to irrationally believe in Bigfoot, beyond even their own level of ubiquitous monitoring, what we probably have here is Cueball being 'the only sane being in the room'. Unusually, for Cueball. Or at least the san''est'', versus a particularly non-sane other. And standing under an open sky, of course.) [[Special:Contributions/141.101.99.74|141.101.99.74]] 11:46, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
-:Cueball ''is'' an alien, from the perspective of the saucer occupants, just as they are aliens from his.[[Special:Contributions/172.70.163.120|172.70.163.120]] 08:24, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
+:Cueball ''is'' an alien, from the perspective of the saucer occupants, just as they are aliens from his. My reading of the comic would be that the reason the UFO phenomenon has such a cultural hold is the 'are we alone?' question. Once you know that there are at least two forms of life that are (planetarily) alien to each other, it should lose its power, because the assumption would be that it's more likely than not that there's a third, and more.[[Special:Contributions/172.70.163.120|172.70.163.120]] 08:24, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 == Quotes ==
 {{quote|They are people like me who see this as an incredible mystery and enigma that that needs to be resolved.|Chris Mellon|https://www.history.com/news/chris-mellon-ufo-investigations}} [[Special:Contributions/172.68.194.201|172.68.194.201]] 10:51, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

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 :Thus Cueball is trying to get the visible aliens to abandon their beliefs in the non-visible aliens by making them think that "anything alien" is ''them'' (those present), and ignore the signs of any subsequent 'visitation'.
 :(Note though, that given the prior prediliction for the saucer-people to irrationally believe in Bigfoot, beyond even their own level of ubiquitous monitoring, what we probably have here is Cueball being 'the only sane being in the room'. Unusually, for Cueball. Or at least the san''est'', versus a particularly non-sane other. And standing under an open sky, of course.) [[Special:Contributions/141.101.99.74|141.101.99.74]] 11:46, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 == Quotes ==
 {{quote|They are people like me who see this as an incredible mystery and enigma that that needs to be resolved.|Chris Mellon|https://www.history.com/news/chris-mellon-ufo-investigations}} [[Special:Contributions/172.68.194.201|172.68.194.201]] 10:51, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

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 : +1 [[Special:Contributions/172.70.243.213|172.70.243.213]] 10:28, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 ::How far do you take it though? If I look in the cupboard and it's empty, I can say there are no cans of soup in the cupboard. But you could say "There's a chance they are in there...but you've been hypnotised so you can't find them!" or some other thoroughly improbable but technically possible story. Everyone would think that pretty far fetched. There comes a point where people accept that - functionally - a vanishingly small likelihood is the same as a negative. So, where's the point at which you say "Be reasonable. It's not a thing."?
 ::Because without it, you become the man in the shack, refusing to accept the veracity of anything. [[User:Yorkshire Pudding|Yorkshire Pudding]] ([[User talk:Yorkshire Pudding|talk]]) 19:01, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 ::: There's a simple answer to this: whenever it feels reasonable to do so. This doesn't feel very nice to a certain type of mind that loves thinking (like mine), but my life experience has taught me relatively recently that there are things you should do without thinking about it. (In this particular case, well, the solar system is much bigger than a cupboard! If we learned there have been aliens watching us, not wanting to be detected, my sense of reality would not be shattered, its not stupidly implausible. I can believe this while still believing any conspiracy theories telling you specifics about what they are doing are just making it up/mistaken/mentally ill/etc etc)[[User:Terdragontra|Terdragontra]] ([[User talk:Terdragontra|talk]]) 23:29, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 ::: A cupboard is easy to exhaustively search. But there are things I thought I had lost somewhere that later turned up in the house anyway. Some things are just good at hiding. (The "black swan" is an example of that.) If an alien probe crashed in the rainforest 100 years ago, we may never know. [[Special:Contributions/172.71.160.133|172.71.160.133]] 05:14, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

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	::: There's a simple answer to this: whenever it feels reasonable to do so. This doesn't feel very nice to a certain type of mind that loves thinking (like mine), but my life experience has taught me relatively recently that there are things you should do without thinking about it. (In this particular case, well, the solar system is much bigger than a cupboard! If we learned there have been aliens watching us, not wanting to be detected, my sense of reality would not be shattered, its not stupidly implausible. I can believe this while still believing any conspiracy theories telling you specifics about what they are doing are just making it up/mistaken/mentally ill/etc etc)[[User:Terdragontra\|Terdragontra]] ([[User talk:Terdragontra\|talk]]) 23:29, 2 July 2024 (UTC)		::: There's a simple answer to this: whenever it feels reasonable to do so. This doesn't feel very nice to a certain type of mind that loves thinking (like mine), but my life experience has taught me relatively recently that there are things you should do without thinking about it. (In this particular case, well, the solar system is much bigger than a cupboard! If we learned there have been aliens watching us, not wanting to be detected, my sense of reality would not be shattered, its not stupidly implausible. I can believe this while still believing any conspiracy theories telling you specifics about what they are doing are just making it up/mistaken/mentally ill/etc etc)[[User:Terdragontra\|Terdragontra]] ([[User talk:Terdragontra\|talk]]) 23:29, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
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		+	::: A cupboard is easy to exhaustively search. But there are things I thought I had lost somewhere that later turned up in the house anyway. Some things are just good at hiding. (The "black swan" is an example of that.) If an alien probe crashed in the rainforest 100 years ago, we may never know. [[Special:Contributions/172.71.160.133\|172.71.160.133]] 05:14, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

	==The 5 Observables==		==The 5 Observables==