Talk:2965: Chili Tornado Quake - Revision history

Laser813 at 15:11, 31 July 2024

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RegularSizedGuy at 14:29, 31 July 2024

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172.71.254.246 at 13:58, 31 July 2024

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172.68.110.32 at 10:52, 31 July 2024

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162.158.222.142 at 08:58, 31 July 2024

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BunsenH at 20:19, 30 July 2024

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172.70.86.37 at 19:24, 30 July 2024

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BunsenH: dried peppers Mohs?

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dried peppers Mohs?

Kynde at 18:16, 30 July 2024

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Yorkshire Pudding at 17:19, 30 July 2024

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 ::I have seen this several times, and sometimes he fixed it later. I have added this to a trivia section. If it is changed, it should still be mentioned there, but of course updated with the original mistake instead. --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 09:06, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
 :::No, there isn't. The title text means that the chilli peppers impacted the magnitude of the scale (check wiktionary, it's a real use of the word.). --[[Special:Contributions/162.158.222.142|162.158.222.142]] 08:58, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
 Funnily enough, an earthquake large enough to shake the house occurred near me today! No chili peppers and definitely no tornadoes nearby, (un)fortunately. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.91.92|162.158.91.92]] 04:02, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

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 ::I'm happy that, while disappointed they are not in the comic, Erdős/Bacon numbers appear at least in the comments. [[Special:Contributions/172.68.110.32|172.68.110.32]] 10:52, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
 :::I recently learned that there's a github repository that tracks people with Erdős-Bacon-Sabbath numbers. As in people who have a publishing link with Paul Erdős, an acting link with Kevin Bacon, and a musical performance link with Black Sabbath. [[Special:Contributions/172.71.254.246|172.71.254.246]] 13:58, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
 I could have sworn Randall already made this joke... Maybe I'm thinking of [[1531]]. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.60.147|172.69.60.147]] 05:43, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

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 ::Since we have the picture where a tornado wrecks havoc to a factory and the Earthquake shifts the Earth and breaks a building we can rule out anything below 3 on the tornado and 6 on the Richter scale... So it is a void discussion here. --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 18:16, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
 ::I'm happy that, while disappointed they are not in the comic, Erdős/Bacon numbers appear at least in the comments. [[Special:Contributions/172.68.110.32|172.68.110.32]] 10:52, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
 I could have sworn Randall already made this joke... Maybe I'm thinking of [[1531]]. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.60.147|172.69.60.147]] 05:43, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

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 :Though I agree that a multiplicative compound unit is most likely (unlike the additive Erdős–Bacon one, and further variations), it's worth noting that you can have F0 tornados, zero (as well as negative) in the Richter scale and/or 0 Scoville peppers (though the latter less likely, here). If either of the first two are counted as zero, they stil ''exist'', but means that any (finite) values attributed to the remaining measure would never produce a combined unit that is non-zero. So you probably have to lower-limit the Tornado measurement and ensure the Earthquake one is >0 to back-calculate any sensible Pepper value. If done as per the EB method, though, it just means that the source Scoville number is pretty much the whole contributor to the resulting sum (even if itçs an F5 with a 10 on the Ricbter scale, it's just 15 less than the merged value). Geptetic meandrians, aside, there are few other 'logical' functions between these three source values and the combo-evaluation, but many that might stretch plausibility. [[Special:Contributions/172.68.186.90|172.68.186.90]] 13:11, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
 ::Since we have the picture where a tornado wrecks havoc to a factory and the Earthquake shifts the Earth and breaks a building we can rule out anything below 3 on the tornado and 6 on the Richter scale... So it is a void discussion here. --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 18:16, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
 I could have sworn Randall already made this joke... Maybe I'm thinking of [[1531]]. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.60.147|172.69.60.147]] 05:43, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

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 :I think so, yeah. First time I've seen Randall make a mistake in the alt text. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.137.212|162.158.137.212]] 04:33, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
 ::I have seen this several times, and sometimes he fixed it later. I have added this to a trivia section. If it is changed, it should still be mentioned there, but of course updated with the original mistake instead. --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 09:06, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
 Funnily enough, an earthquake large enough to shake the house occurred near me today! No chili peppers and definitely no tornadoes nearby, (un)fortunately. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.91.92|162.158.91.92]] 04:02, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

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	Fresh peppers are pretty soft. But when they're dried, they can get tough, even hard, especially if they're dried in such a way as to minimize the air and make them solid. I don't know where they'd land on the Mohs scale, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were harder than talc. [[User:BunsenH\|BunsenH]] ([[User talk:BunsenH\|talk]]) 18:20, 30 July 2024 (UTC)		Fresh peppers are pretty soft. But when they're dried, they can get tough, even hard, especially if they're dried in such a way as to minimize the air and make them solid. I don't know where they'd land on the Mohs scale, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were harder than talc. [[User:BunsenH\|BunsenH]] ([[User talk:BunsenH\|talk]]) 18:20, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
	:Well, now I know one little pig (not one of the three main ones, but also not one of the 118 other first cousins!) who is going to be in even more trouble than usual. Possibly also the Gypsum and Calcite pigs (though not sure the Fluorite one should worry, and probably the Topaz-using pig might be no worse off). [[Special:Contributions/172.70.86.37\|172.70.86.37]] 19:24, 30 July 2024 (UTC)		:Well, now I know one little pig (not one of the three main ones, but also not one of the 118 other first cousins!) who is going to be in even more trouble than usual. Possibly also the Gypsum and Calcite pigs (though not sure the Fluorite one should worry, and probably the Topaz-using pig might be no worse off). [[Special:Contributions/172.70.86.37\|172.70.86.37]] 19:24, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
		+	::As a first approximation, one might use a single dried seed, held in fine grippers such as needle-nose pliers. Anyone have the pliers, some crushed chilies, and a mineral test kit? [[User:BunsenH\|BunsenH]] ([[User talk:BunsenH\|talk]]) 20:19, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

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	Fresh peppers are pretty soft. But when they're dried, they can get tough, even hard, especially if they're dried in such a way as to minimize the air and make them solid. I don't know where they'd land on the Mohs scale, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were harder than talc. [[User:BunsenH\|BunsenH]] ([[User talk:BunsenH\|talk]]) 18:20, 30 July 2024 (UTC)		Fresh peppers are pretty soft. But when they're dried, they can get tough, even hard, especially if they're dried in such a way as to minimize the air and make them solid. I don't know where they'd land on the Mohs scale, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were harder than talc. [[User:BunsenH\|BunsenH]] ([[User talk:BunsenH\|talk]]) 18:20, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
		+	:Well, now I know one little pig (not one of the three main ones, but also not one of the 118 other first cousins!) who is going to be in even more trouble than usual. Possibly also the Gypsum and Calcite pigs (though not sure the Fluorite one should worry, and probably the Topaz-using pig might be no worse off). [[Special:Contributions/172.70.86.37\|172.70.86.37]] 19:24, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

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	Hmmm. Randall doesn't strike me as a person who'd use something outdated like the Richter scale.[[User:Yorkshire Pudding\|Yorkshire Pudding]] ([[User talk:Yorkshire Pudding\|talk]]) 17:19, 30 July 2024 (UTC)		Hmmm. Randall doesn't strike me as a person who'd use something outdated like the Richter scale.[[User:Yorkshire Pudding\|Yorkshire Pudding]] ([[User talk:Yorkshire Pudding\|talk]]) 17:19, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
	:He often displays nostalgia, and he enjoyed to double ended open Richter scale in his what if book where he took it to -15 rather than +15. So that he has a soft spot for Richter is quite certain actually --[[User:Kynde\|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde\|talk]]) 18:16, 30 July 2024 (UTC)		:He often displays nostalgia, and he enjoyed to double ended open Richter scale in his what if book where he took it to -15 rather than +15. So that he has a soft spot for Richter is quite certain actually --[[User:Kynde\|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde\|talk]]) 18:16, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
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		+	Fresh peppers are pretty soft. But when they're dried, they can get tough, even hard, especially if they're dried in such a way as to minimize the air and make them solid. I don't know where they'd land on the Mohs scale, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were harder than talc. [[User:BunsenH\|BunsenH]] ([[User talk:BunsenH\|talk]]) 18:20, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

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 ::I believe the only method that makes sense is multiplying. Since spicy can go to 0, then 2000-3000 is probably still pretty strong for most people? Anyway, it may have been a smaller earthquake and not that big a tornado, maybe 3 and 6 then it alt least get above 3000. I have added these considerations to the explanation. --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 09:06, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
 :::No method makes 'sense' - the whole comic aspect is that it makes no sense to combine these scales in the first place. Given that, I think the question is unanswerable, since it would require knowledge of a non-existent purpose that the scale is trying to achieve.[[Special:Contributions/172.69.43.175|172.69.43.175]] 14:17, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
 ::3000 is a low-end jalapeno, even a serrano is about 10k. Habanero is a couple of 100k. Would it be complete scientific abomination to take Fujita/Richter as additive and then multiply the result by scoville? [[Special:Contributions/172.69.43.167|172.69.43.167]] 13:00, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
 :Though I agree that a multiplicative compound unit is most likely (unlike the additive Erdős–Bacon one, and further variations), it's worth noting that you can have F0 tornados, zero (as well as negative) in the Richter scale and/or 0 Scoville peppers (though the latter less likely, here). If either of the first two are counted as zero, they stil ''exist'', but means that any (finite) values attributed to the remaining measure would never produce a combined unit that is non-zero. So you probably have to lower-limit the Tornado measurement and ensure the Earthquake one is >0 to back-calculate any sensible Pepper value. If done as per the EB method, though, it just means that the source Scoville number is pretty much the whole contributor to the resulting sum (even if itçs an F5 with a 10 on the Ricbter scale, it's just 15 less than the merged value). Geptetic meandrians, aside, there are few other 'logical' functions between these three source values and the combo-evaluation, but many that might stretch plausibility. [[Special:Contributions/172.68.186.90|172.68.186.90]] 13:11, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
 I could have sworn Randall already made this joke... Maybe I'm thinking of [[1531]]. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.60.147|172.69.60.147]] 05:43, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
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 Hmmm. Randall doesn't strike me as a person who'd use something outdated like the Richter scale.[[User:Yorkshire Pudding|Yorkshire Pudding]] ([[User talk:Yorkshire Pudding|talk]]) 17:19, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

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	Is it relevant that Twisters just came out a couple weeks ago? [[User:Barmar\|Barmar]] ([[User talk:Barmar\|talk]]) 12:37, 30 July 2024 (UTC)		Is it relevant that Twisters just came out a couple weeks ago? [[User:Barmar\|Barmar]] ([[User talk:Barmar\|talk]]) 12:37, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
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		+	Hmmm. Randall doesn't strike me as a person who'd use something outdated like the Richter scale.[[User:Yorkshire Pudding\|Yorkshire Pudding]] ([[User talk:Yorkshire Pudding\|talk]]) 17:19, 30 July 2024 (UTC)