Talk:2980: Lava Lakes - Revision history

Kapten-N: Corrected quotation in my comment.

2024-10-23T08:40:57Z

Corrected quotation in my comment.

Kapten-N: New comment questioning request for actual citation on comedic statement.

2024-10-23T08:40:00Z

New comment questioning request for actual citation on comedic statement.

172.70.80.213 at 20:28, 14 September 2024

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PaulEberhardt at 21:15, 4 September 2024

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141.101.98.83 at 20:35, 4 September 2024

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108.162.246.94 at 19:15, 4 September 2024

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172.70.162.208 at 18:23, 4 September 2024

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172.71.151.74 at 13:51, 4 September 2024

2024-09-04T13:51:50Z

172.69.194.20: Clearly fifteenth comment but seventh lava-lake. Unrelated, so not the same reply-tree.

2024-09-04T08:57:58Z

Clearly fifteenth comment but seventh lava-lake. Unrelated, so not the same reply-tree.

Tommyds: Impact of lava hazards on USGA rulebook

2024-09-04T08:55:27Z

Impact of lava hazards on USGA rulebook

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	"This could be an extension to modern, AI-based technologies, of the blackhat cracker concept of using novel innovation for harm, and hence a strong commentary on the danger and power present in the modern algorithmic research environment. " I don't think this has anything to do with AI. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.80.213\|172.70.80.213]] 20:28, 14 September 2024 (UTC)		"This could be an extension to modern, AI-based technologies, of the blackhat cracker concept of using novel innovation for harm, and hence a strong commentary on the danger and power present in the modern algorithmic research environment. " I don't think this has anything to do with AI. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.80.213\|172.70.80.213]] 20:28, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

−	I feel like it shouldn't say "actual citation needed" after "sane people ~~don't~~ build golf courses on volcanoes". This site uses "citation needed" for comedic effect, but "actual citation needed" for when statements really do need a citation. But isn't requiring citation on a negative like that comparable to asking someone to prove that there isn't a teapot orbiting the sun somewhere between Jupiter and Earth? Besides, didn't someone in the comments provide an example of a golf course that is in fact built over a volcano? Doesn't that mean that the statement is proven false and therefore should be removed? (Considering the truthfulness of the statement was important enough to require an actual citation). Unless, of course, the sanity of the people who built it is brought into question. But even if citation for their insanity is found, that's still only one golf course. To fulfil the requirement for a citation in this case you'd need an exhaustive list of all golf courses, complete with data on whether or not they are built atop volcanoes and whether or not their founder is/was insane. And that still leaves the question about whether they knew it was a volcano when they built the golf courses and whether it still counts if they didn't know. '''TL;DR:''' It's my opinion that the statement "sane people ~~don't~~ build golf courses on volcanoes" should either be removed for (likely) being false or "actual" should be dropped from the citation request. I lean towards the latter, because a) the truthfulness of the statement isn't important enough, b) it's widely considered common sense, and c) therefore "citation needed" adds comedic effect. This would fit with how similar statements are handled elsewhere on explain xkcd. [[User:Kapten-N\|Kapten-N]] ([[User talk:Kapten-N\|talk]]) 08:40, 23 October 2024 (UTC)	+	I feel like it shouldn't say "actual citation needed" after "sane people do not build golf courses directly over active volcanoes". This site uses "citation needed" for comedic effect, but "actual citation needed" for when statements really do need a citation. But isn't requiring citation on a negative like that comparable to asking someone to prove that there isn't a teapot orbiting the sun somewhere between Jupiter and Earth? Besides, didn't someone in the comments provide an example of a golf course that is in fact built over a volcano? Doesn't that mean that the statement is proven false and therefore should be removed? (Considering the truthfulness of the statement was important enough to require an actual citation). Unless, of course, the sanity of the people who built it is brought into question. But even if citation for their insanity is found, that's still only one golf course. To fulfil the requirement for a citation in this case you'd need an exhaustive list of all golf courses, complete with data on whether or not they are built atop volcanoes and whether or not their founder is/was insane. And that still leaves the question about whether they knew it was a volcano when they built the golf courses and whether it still counts if they didn't know. '''TL;DR:''' It's my opinion that the statement "sane people do not build golf courses directly over active volcanoes" should either be removed for (likely) being false or "actual" should be dropped from the citation request. I lean towards the latter, because a) the truthfulness of the statement isn't important enough, b) it's widely considered common sense, and c) therefore "citation needed" adds comedic effect. This would fit with how similar statements are handled elsewhere on explain xkcd. [[User:Kapten-N\|Kapten-N]] ([[User talk:Kapten-N\|talk]]) 08:40, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

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	::I see. Thanks for the info. This is fascinating! Heh, and apparently it ''is'' a picture of golf players at a lava lake in a way, then. I can also tell living on certain islands is anything but boring. :) [[User:PaulEberhardt\|PaulEberhardt]] ([[User talk:PaulEberhardt\|talk]]) 21:15, 4 September 2024 (UTC)		::I see. Thanks for the info. This is fascinating! Heh, and apparently it ''is'' a picture of golf players at a lava lake in a way, then. I can also tell living on certain islands is anything but boring. :) [[User:PaulEberhardt\|PaulEberhardt]] ([[User talk:PaulEberhardt\|talk]]) 21:15, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
	"This could be an extension to modern, AI-based technologies, of the blackhat cracker concept of using novel innovation for harm, and hence a strong commentary on the danger and power present in the modern algorithmic research environment. " I don't think this has anything to do with AI. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.80.213\|172.70.80.213]] 20:28, 14 September 2024 (UTC)		"This could be an extension to modern, AI-based technologies, of the blackhat cracker concept of using novel innovation for harm, and hence a strong commentary on the danger and power present in the modern algorithmic research environment. " I don't think this has anything to do with AI. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.80.213\|172.70.80.213]] 20:28, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
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		+	I feel like it shouldn't say "actual citation needed" after "sane people don't build golf courses on volcanoes". This site uses "citation needed" for comedic effect, but "actual citation needed" for when statements really do need a citation. But isn't requiring citation on a negative like that comparable to asking someone to prove that there isn't a teapot orbiting the sun somewhere between Jupiter and Earth? Besides, didn't someone in the comments provide an example of a golf course that is in fact built over a volcano? Doesn't that mean that the statement is proven false and therefore should be removed? (Considering the truthfulness of the statement was important enough to require an actual citation). Unless, of course, the sanity of the people who built it is brought into question. But even if citation for their insanity is found, that's still only one golf course. To fulfil the requirement for a citation in this case you'd need an exhaustive list of all golf courses, complete with data on whether or not they are built atop volcanoes and whether or not their founder is/was insane. And that still leaves the question about whether they knew it was a volcano when they built the golf courses and whether it still counts if they didn't know. '''TL;DR:''' It's my opinion that the statement "sane people don't build golf courses on volcanoes" should either be removed for (likely) being false or "actual" should be dropped from the citation request. I lean towards the latter, because a) the truthfulness of the statement isn't important enough, b) it's widely considered common sense, and c) therefore "citation needed" adds comedic effect. This would fit with how similar statements are handled elsewhere on explain xkcd. [[User:Kapten-N\|Kapten-N]] ([[User talk:Kapten-N\|talk]]) 08:40, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

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	: Two miles (3.2 klicks) from the golf course to Halemaumau, the main vent of the Kilauea summit caldera. (pats and caresses ground) Good volcano. Nice volcano. The eruption cloud shown resulted from the draining of the lava lake that had been in Halemaumau for a decade or so, before an earthquake opened a hole in the magma chamber. The lava flowed underground down the mountain and resurfaced in the Leilani Estates housing subdivision, destroying much of it. This was 2018 (as shown in the picture caption). We were living on the Big Island at the time (in Kailua Kona, safely on the other side of Mauna Loa from the eruption). Fun times! Sorta. [[Special:Contributions/172.68.22.211\|172.68.22.211]] 18:20, 3 September 2024 (UTC)		: Two miles (3.2 klicks) from the golf course to Halemaumau, the main vent of the Kilauea summit caldera. (pats and caresses ground) Good volcano. Nice volcano. The eruption cloud shown resulted from the draining of the lava lake that had been in Halemaumau for a decade or so, before an earthquake opened a hole in the magma chamber. The lava flowed underground down the mountain and resurfaced in the Leilani Estates housing subdivision, destroying much of it. This was 2018 (as shown in the picture caption). We were living on the Big Island at the time (in Kailua Kona, safely on the other side of Mauna Loa from the eruption). Fun times! Sorta. [[Special:Contributions/172.68.22.211\|172.68.22.211]] 18:20, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
	::I see. Thanks for the info. This is fascinating! Heh, and apparently it ''is'' a picture of golf players at a lava lake in a way, then. I can also tell living on certain islands is anything but boring. :) [[User:PaulEberhardt\|PaulEberhardt]] ([[User talk:PaulEberhardt\|talk]]) 21:15, 4 September 2024 (UTC)		::I see. Thanks for the info. This is fascinating! Heh, and apparently it ''is'' a picture of golf players at a lava lake in a way, then. I can also tell living on certain islands is anything but boring. :) [[User:PaulEberhardt\|PaulEberhardt]] ([[User talk:PaulEberhardt\|talk]]) 21:15, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
		+	"This could be an extension to modern, AI-based technologies, of the blackhat cracker concept of using novel innovation for harm, and hence a strong commentary on the danger and power present in the modern algorithmic research environment. " I don't think this has anything to do with AI. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.80.213\|172.70.80.213]] 20:28, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

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 : The introduction of lava hazards would likely require a new section in the rulebook to cover the above issues as well as the use of rock tumblers as enhanced cleaning machines, the introduction of new club types designed to survive the rigours of lava play, permissible footwear and enhanced caddy insurance policies. [[User:Tommyds|Tommyds]] ([[User talk:Tommyds|talk]]) 08:55, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
-This one contains a cool photos of golfers with a huge ash cloud erupting behind them: [https://www.golfpass.com/travel-advisor/articles/lava-golf-plenty-of-u-s-courses-live-in-the-shadows-of-nearby-volcanoes] It's probably a safe distance, really, but the photo makes it look as if it was right behind them. Scary! The article doesn't feature any lava lake, though. [[User:PaulEberhardt|PaulEberhardt]] ([[User talk:PaulEberhardt|talk]]) 17:47, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
+This article contains a cool photo of golfers with a huge ash cloud erupting behind them: [https://www.golfpass.com/travel-advisor/articles/lava-golf-plenty-of-u-s-courses-live-in-the-shadows-of-nearby-volcanoes] It's probably a safe distance, really, but the photo makes it look as if it was right behind them. Scary! The article doesn't feature any lava lake, though. [[User:PaulEberhardt|PaulEberhardt]] ([[User talk:PaulEberhardt|talk]]) 17:47, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
 : Two miles (3.2 klicks) from the golf course to Halemaumau, the main vent of the Kilauea summit caldera. (pats and caresses ground) Good volcano. Nice volcano. The eruption cloud shown resulted from the draining of the lava lake that had been in Halemaumau for a decade or so, before an earthquake opened a hole in the magma chamber. The lava flowed underground down the mountain and resurfaced in the Leilani Estates housing subdivision, destroying much of it. This was 2018 (as shown in the picture caption). We were living on the Big Island at the time (in Kailua Kona, safely on the other side of Mauna Loa from the eruption). Fun times! Sorta. [[Special:Contributions/172.68.22.211|172.68.22.211]] 18:20, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

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 :...At least until we can work out for certain who Randall intended (or that it's even A.N.Other/Jane Doe, just oh so very similar to both others). [[Special:Contributions/172.70.162.208|172.70.162.208]] 18:23, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
 :: I don't know and it's NOMB whether Randall visits this site. If he were to see this exchange, I wonder how hard he'd be laughing. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.246.94|108.162.246.94]] 19:15, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
 There ia not need to say "right now", this is superfluous language & a verbal tic.{{unsigned ip|172.70.162.163}}

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 :In my [[1401: New|headcanon]], I think Danish (btw, <code><nowiki>[[Danish]]</nowiki></code> is the simpler link form, here) would not normally be asking ''what'' [[Black Hat]] did, but instead (maybe) ''how'' he did it or probably just "Did you..?", already having this in mind. She would be traditionally be devious/sociopathic enough to have made the comment just now ''in order that'' Black Hat would do (something like) this.
 :Image-wise, the figure sits somewhere between the 'reference images' of Megan's hair (right thickness, grown a bit longer here) and that of Danish (finer and more casually-longer), and there are a number of ambiguous appearances that are just a subtle change in hair away from either, so I couldn't say for sure without taking into account the dialogue/activities involved. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.163.49|172.70.163.49]] 09:18, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
 There ia not need to say "right now", this is superfluous language & a verbal tic.{{unsigned ip|172.70.162.163}}

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 I do not think this current discussion is actually about XKCD at all, much less this comic. Perhaps the internet itself is that sixth lava lake, with all the hot mess it contains. [[Special:Contributions/172.68.22.253|172.68.22.253]] 02:54, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
 In fact, the Volcano Golf Course [https://volcanogc.com] is built on an active volcano, Kilauea.
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 : Also on Hawaii Island is the [https://www.fourseasons.com/hualalai/golf/ Hualalai Golf Course], which is one of several that have been built on the {{w|Hualalai}} volcano, which erupts less frequently than Kilauea, but is nonetheless considered active (the Kona airport is built on an 1801 lava flow). [[Special:Contributions/172.71.147.86|172.71.147.86]] 05:04, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
 :: Immediately I start wondering why there might not have been a perfectly workable airport ''beneath'' the 1801 lava flow. (Ok, so it might not have had a Starbucks, as Moby-Dick was only written in 1851, so clearly you couldn't have had that chain of coffee-shops yet.) [[Special:Contributions/172.70.162.208|172.70.162.208]] 08:59, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
 : Right, I should've been more clear on what I meant, which was that "no sane person would build a golf courses directly over <b>the crater of</b> active volcanoes" [[User:TheTrainsKid|TheTrainsKid]] ([[User talk:TheTrainsKid|talk]]) 03:41, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

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 Fifteenth comment![[Special:Contributions/141.101.98.174|141.101.98.174]] 08:10, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
 :Last comment. And there's absolutely no way that I can be proven wrong, in this whole silly game of oneupmanship! [[Special:Contributions/172.70.162.208|172.70.162.208]] 08:59, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
-:If you fund my Kickstarter, I will add a 7th. Do not ask where, but rather take a guess :) [[Special:Contributions/141.101.99.190|141.101.99.190]] 09:38, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
 I removed the Incomplete Transcription warning. - clevor [[Special:Contributions/172.71.166.218|172.71.166.218]] 13:04, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

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 I assumed the lava lake would be used like a sand trap, so the golfer would want to hit the ball, rather than collect it. As such, the ball would likely be coated with a material of sufficiently high combustion temperature to be able to survive (at least for a while) on the surface of the lava. The golfer would then require shoes that allow for walking on the lake, but I believe such exist.
 My question is, how difficult would it be to hit the golf ball off of the surface of the "lake"? There would be the added challenge of a "divot" composed of some of the lava following the ball, but at least you shouldn't need to worry about "repairing" the damage? [[User:Galeindfal|Galeindfal]] ([[User talk:Galeindfal|talk]]) 15:55, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
 This one contains a cool photos of golfers with a huge ash cloud erupting behind them: [https://www.golfpass.com/travel-advisor/articles/lava-golf-plenty-of-u-s-courses-live-in-the-shadows-of-nearby-volcanoes] It's probably a safe distance, really, but the photo makes it look as if it was right behind them. Scary! The article doesn't feature any lava lake, though. [[User:PaulEberhardt|PaulEberhardt]] ([[User talk:PaulEberhardt|talk]]) 17:47, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
 : Two miles (3.2 klicks) from the golf course to Halemaumau, the main vent of the Kilauea summit caldera. (pats and caresses ground) Good volcano. Nice volcano. The eruption cloud shown resulted from the draining of the lava lake that had been in Halemaumau for a decade or so, before an earthquake opened a hole in the magma chamber. The lava flowed underground down the mountain and resurfaced in the Leilani Estates housing subdivision, destroying much of it. This was 2018 (as shown in the picture caption). We were living on the Big Island at the time (in Kailua Kona, safely on the other side of Mauna Loa from the eruption). Fun times! Sorta. [[Special:Contributions/172.68.22.211|172.68.22.211]] 18:20, 3 September 2024 (UTC)