Talk:2981: Slingshots - Revision history

Feyh: Regular slingshot may have caused SOME dinosaur extinction. Not THE dinosaur extinction.

2024-10-07T18:54:23Z

Regular slingshot may have caused SOME dinosaur extinction. Not THE dinosaur extinction.

172.69.43.168 at 12:15, 8 September 2024

2024-09-08T12:15:37Z

These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For: Dragging down the comments. :)

2024-09-08T03:31:38Z

Dragging down the comments. :)

172.71.150.129 at 19:47, 6 September 2024

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172.70.163.49 at 15:44, 6 September 2024

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172.71.150.113 at 15:36, 6 September 2024

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172.70.86.146 at 14:44, 6 September 2024

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162.158.154.98 at 14:14, 6 September 2024

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162.158.159.152 at 14:12, 6 September 2024

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162.158.74.48: Everything is sufficiently clear wrt Dennis the Menace

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Everything is sufficiently clear wrt Dennis the Menace

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	:And that wikipedia page (BTW, using the {{template\|w}} linking method is better than []ing the wikipedia URL) was interesting. Could do with some further info and (non-red) onward links.		:And that wikipedia page (BTW, using the {{template\|w}} linking method is better than []ing the wikipedia URL) was interesting. Could do with some further info and (non-red) onward links.
	:Seems not to mention that in making a front-wheel-drive chassis a rear-wheel "slingshot" by removing the rear wheels, they also had to add those token "even more front" wheels (it's obvious they did, but reading the text makes it sound like you end up with a strictly {{w\|Two-wheel tractor\|single-axle}} transverse two-wheeler configuration. Which sounds slightly more safe to ride than a {{w\|Monowheel}}, at least as long as you don't get vastly uneven drive torques between wheels. But I'm sure someone has tried to do it in a dragster-like format! [[Special:Contributions/172.69.43.168\|172.69.43.168]] 12:15, 8 September 2024 (UTC)		:Seems not to mention that in making a front-wheel-drive chassis a rear-wheel "slingshot" by removing the rear wheels, they also had to add those token "even more front" wheels (it's obvious they did, but reading the text makes it sound like you end up with a strictly {{w\|Two-wheel tractor\|single-axle}} transverse two-wheeler configuration. Which sounds slightly more safe to ride than a {{w\|Monowheel}}, at least as long as you don't get vastly uneven drive torques between wheels. But I'm sure someone has tried to do it in a dragster-like format! [[Special:Contributions/172.69.43.168\|172.69.43.168]] 12:15, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
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		+	The fifth category says that (probably not, but possibly) regular slingshot may have caused the extinction of some dinosaurs species. Avian dinosaurs, obviously, as those are the one existing among documented regular slingshot user species. The current explanation assumes the text reffers only to the Cretaceous-tertiary Extinction. [[User:Feyh\|Feyh]] ([[User talk:Feyh\|talk]]) 18:54, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

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	I'm a fan of drag racing, so I know another usage for the word "slingshot". It's the name for a specific configuration of front engine dragster. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_engine_dragster The driver sits at the very rear of the vehicle, behind the engine, transmission and drive wheels.] [[User:These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For\|These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For]] ([[User talk:These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For\|talk]]) 03:31, 8 September 2024 (UTC)		I'm a fan of drag racing, so I know another usage for the word "slingshot". It's the name for a specific configuration of front engine dragster. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_engine_dragster The driver sits at the very rear of the vehicle, behind the engine, transmission and drive wheels.] [[User:These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For\|These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For]] ([[User talk:These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For\|talk]]) 03:31, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
		+	:With apologies to your brand of "drag racing", but I initially thought you were invoking the {{w\|RuPaul's Drag Race\|other kind}}. After all, they would have reason to talk of the {{w\|Slingback}}, so why not a 'Slingshot'?
		+	:Though, bearing in mind that I'm still at this point rapidly thinking about what few things I know about (the other) 'drag racing', now you're talking of the "front engine", and I'm wondering if this is perhaps not to do with footwear but instead an unusual euphamism for... {{w\|Codpiece\|something}}..? ;) (Possibly as the stylistic opposite to {{w\|Tucking\|the alternative}}. A form of 'sling' could be involved; and surely it ''has'' a name, but I wouldn't know what.)
		+	:With apologies for rapidly changing the tone, but I had an internal chuckle when I then worked out where my premise was going wrong in the first place.
		+	:And that wikipedia page (BTW, using the {{template\|w}} linking method is better than []ing the wikipedia URL) was interesting. Could do with some further info and (non-red) onward links.
		+	:Seems not to mention that in making a front-wheel-drive chassis a rear-wheel "slingshot" by removing the rear wheels, they also had to add those token "even more front" wheels (it's obvious they did, but reading the text makes it sound like you end up with a strictly {{w\|Two-wheel tractor\|single-axle}} transverse two-wheeler configuration. Which sounds slightly more safe to ride than a {{w\|Monowheel}}, at least as long as you don't get vastly uneven drive torques between wheels. But I'm sure someone has tried to do it in a dragster-like format! [[Special:Contributions/172.69.43.168\|172.69.43.168]] 12:15, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

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	If we're being honest, <i>everything</i> has an online enthusiast community. [[User:Trogdor147\|Trogdor147]] ([[User_talk:Trogdor147\|talk]]) 01:09, 6 September 2024 (UTC)		If we're being honest, <i>everything</i> has an online enthusiast community. [[User:Trogdor147\|Trogdor147]] ([[User_talk:Trogdor147\|talk]]) 01:09, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
	: Perhaps not. There used to be an "everything" subreddit, but it was flagged "mature content" (why are we not surprised) and then banned for particularly unsavory TOS violations (ditto). [https://www.dude-n-dude.com/2023/02/16/ai-the-hero-of-the-hour/ Humans can't have nice things], I guess. [[Special:Contributions/172.71.150.129\|172.71.150.129]] 19:47, 6 September 2024 (UTC)		: Perhaps not. There used to be an "everything" subreddit, but it was flagged "mature content" (why are we not surprised) and then banned for particularly unsavory TOS violations (ditto). [https://www.dude-n-dude.com/2023/02/16/ai-the-hero-of-the-hour/ Humans can't have nice things], I guess. [[Special:Contributions/172.71.150.129\|172.71.150.129]] 19:47, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
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		+	I'm a fan of drag racing, so I know another usage for the word "slingshot". It's the name for a specific configuration of front engine dragster. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_engine_dragster The driver sits at the very rear of the vehicle, behind the engine, transmission and drive wheels.] [[User:These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For\|These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For]] ([[User talk:These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For\|talk]]) 03:31, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

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	If we're being honest, <i>everything</i> has an online enthusiast community. [[User:Trogdor147\|Trogdor147]] ([[User_talk:Trogdor147\|talk]]) 01:09, 6 September 2024 (UTC)		If we're being honest, <i>everything</i> has an online enthusiast community. [[User:Trogdor147\|Trogdor147]] ([[User_talk:Trogdor147\|talk]]) 01:09, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
		+	: Perhaps not. There used to be an "everything" subreddit, but it was flagged "mature content" (why are we not surprised) and then banned for particularly unsavory TOS violations (ditto). [https://www.dude-n-dude.com/2023/02/16/ai-the-hero-of-the-hour/ Humans can't have nice things], I guess. [[Special:Contributions/172.71.150.129\|172.71.150.129]] 19:47, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

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 :::::: When I 'arrived', it did not posit a link, it just downright said that Dennis was using what might be called a Shepherd's Sling (which is an ancient weapon), and it needed rewording to restate it as the far more recent Hand Catapult. Arguably, as a modern solution to the idea of throwing stones with great force, it might be said to be a ''spiritual'' improvement on the old design (whether or not there are still reasons to keep up the 'old type', including still vastly greater chucking-velocities (at the expense of accuracy issues by those who haven't practiced a ''lot''!) and the ability to use much more available 'chord').
 :::::: You know, like the info about the UK version of Dennis, it might be a candidate for moving to Trivia (auxilliary facts not directly tied in with the comic but might be linked to it in some minds). I might try that. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.86.146|172.70.86.146]] 14:44, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
 ::::::: FWIW, a websearch on strings such as "David Goliath slingshot" returns many hits. Some of these do indeed distinguish between the sling (weapon) and the slingshot, but others don't. I like the "Trivia" idea, in conjunction with the (currently) extant text.[[Special:Contributions/172.71.150.113|172.71.150.113]] 15:36, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
 :: I come from where the Y-Stick-with-rubber-'bowstring' is termed a catapult, and always associated "slingshot" as being the "shot" (projectile) that was slung (either in a David/Golith 'swung sling' or a Dennise The Menace 'pulled elastic' version), where actually deliberately manufactured/harvested beforehand (typically cast lead, as per muskets, or else specific riverbed pebbles) for consistency of mass and convenience of size rather than just relying upon randomly available rocks and stones grabbed from the ground-clutter as and when needed.

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 :::: See the excellent comment below. Instances of this sort of thing abound, <em>porque Inglés es loco</em>. Even in the sciences. A cylindrical, motile structure responsible for motion of, or circulation of water currents around, eukaryotic cells is termed a "flagellum" if it's moving sperm, or a "cilium" if it's moving phlegm on the surface of the trachea. There is no structural or functional difference between the "flagellum" and the "cilium" of these cells, but there are plenty between the "flagellum" of sperm cells and the "flagellum" found on some bacterial cells. However, an attempt to use a common term ({{w|Undulipodium|undulipodium}}) for the common structure was shouted down. The preference was to retain imprecise terms that were understood by some of the people some of the time, rather than trying to adopt a precise term that was understood by nobody. <em>Vox populi, vox Dei</em>. Even if it's illogical. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.41.181|162.158.41.181]] 19:32, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
 ::::: We're not here explaining all the nuances of regional linguistic differences (and, to be clear, I enjoy those linguistic differences and have found the discussion here interesting).  We're explaining what this particular comic means.  Randall is from the US.  Particularly given the reference to Dennis the Menace, who is frequently portrayed with an elastic band slingshot (which, interestingly enough, is common to both the US and British cartoon characters), and rarely if ever with a sling, it's clear that the former is the subject of this comic.  And if, in fact, Randall intended to refer to a sling, it would be quite strange to refer to "an earlier form", because slings today are still basically the same as they were in ancient times.  The explanation posits a link which does not exist between slings and slingshots. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.154.98|162.158.154.98]] 14:14, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
 :: I come from where the Y-Stick-with-rubber-'bowstring' is termed a catapult, and always associated "slingshot" as being the "shot" (projectile) that was slung (either in a David/Golith 'swung sling' or a Dennise The Menace 'pulled elastic' version), where actually deliberately manufactured/harvested beforehand (typically cast lead, as per muskets, or else specific riverbed pebbles) for consistency of mass and convenience of size rather than just relying upon randomly available rocks and stones grabbed from the ground-clutter as and when needed.
 :: But when I went looking for references, it seems there's a general merging of terms (apparently also "pea-shooter", among others, although I'd say ''that'' was a short blowpipe/thick straw that a dried pea or pea-sized wad of mashed up paper can be quickly expelled from just by lung-power). And while some 'catapults' might also be the slung type, with the neolithic-era "stout cords and cradle" design, generally the comic-book type (rather than full blown onagers, mangonels or trebuchets) match what both UK and US alternatives of Dennis tend to use, so clearly that's what Randall is talking about. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.91.27|172.70.91.27]] 17:23, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

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 We should clarify that it's the American Dennis and not the British one. There are differences, which I learned the hard way :( [[Special:Contributions/172.69.43.184|172.69.43.184]] 06:48, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
 :I expanded (and moved to a Trivia section) the interesting facts of this coincidence. (And I didn't add [https://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2010/10/18/the-odd-case-of-dennis-the-menace/ this link there], but maybe it's of "not even Trivia" interest, so you can have it here instead.) [[Special:Contributions/172.70.86.37|172.70.86.37]] 10:53, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
 I'm really surprised that "regular slingshot" is "no" for spacecraft instead of something like "not yet". [[User:SystemParadox|SystemParadox]] ([[User talk:SystemParadox|talk]]) 09:46, 5 September 2024 (UTC)