Talk:2982: Water Filtration - Revision history

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162.158.10.189 at 02:36, 20 October 2024

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Hkmaly at 22:35, 11 September 2024

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Vkapadia at 20:01, 11 September 2024

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172.70.91.201 at 10:29, 9 September 2024

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Nitpicking: continuing to argue when no one will be convinced

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continuing to argue when no one will be convinced

172.70.160.231: ...meant to say, but still fighting with the medicalnewstoday browser tab not responding well...

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...meant to say, but still fighting with the medicalnewstoday browser tab not responding well...

172.70.91.90 at 13:33, 8 September 2024

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Nitpicking at 12:58, 8 September 2024

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 "It is unclear what happens to the neutrons present in the oxygen nuclei" They're used in the Neutron Source. [[User:Vkapadia|Vkapadia]] ([[User talk:Vkapadia|talk]]) 20:01, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
-Electrolysed water could be used as a disinfectant https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2214714421003159
+Electrolysed water could be used as a disinfectant https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2214714421003159 {{unsigned_ip|162.158.10.189|19:36, 19 October 2024‎}}
 {{w|Forward osmosis}} is a real method [[User:Firestar233|guess who]] ([[User talk:Firestar233|if you desire conversing]] | [[Special:Contributions/Firestar233|what i have done]]) 19:26, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

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	Electrolysed water could be used as a disinfectant https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2214714421003159		Electrolysed water could be used as a disinfectant https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2214714421003159
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		+	{{w\|Forward osmosis}} is a real method [[User:Firestar233\|guess who]] ([[User talk:Firestar233\|if you desire conversing]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Firestar233\|what i have done]]) 19:26, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

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	"It is unclear what happens to the neutrons present in the oxygen nuclei" They're used in the Neutron Source. [[User:Vkapadia\|Vkapadia]] ([[User talk:Vkapadia\|talk]]) 20:01, 11 September 2024 (UTC)		"It is unclear what happens to the neutrons present in the oxygen nuclei" They're used in the Neutron Source. [[User:Vkapadia\|Vkapadia]] ([[User talk:Vkapadia\|talk]]) 20:01, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
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		+	Electrolysed water could be used as a disinfectant https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2214714421003159

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	::: I don't think you're arguing about quite the same thing, if you want my opinion. But - unlike you lot - I'll not expand huge paragraphs on this issue. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.91.201\|172.70.91.201]] 10:29, 9 September 2024 (UTC)		::: I don't think you're arguing about quite the same thing, if you want my opinion. But - unlike you lot - I'll not expand huge paragraphs on this issue. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.91.201\|172.70.91.201]] 10:29, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
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		+	::: You may lose more ions in mouth than in gut. Nevertheless, it's not dangerous amount, and while ions in tap water can be handy and may allow you to survive longer without eating (especially when sweating), if you eat normally, balanced diet, you get much more nutrients in food than in water. -- [[User:Hkmaly\|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly\|talk]]) 22:35, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

	"It is unclear what happens to the neutrons present in the oxygen nuclei" They're used in the Neutron Source. [[User:Vkapadia\|Vkapadia]] ([[User talk:Vkapadia\|talk]]) 20:01, 11 September 2024 (UTC)		"It is unclear what happens to the neutrons present in the oxygen nuclei" They're used in the Neutron Source. [[User:Vkapadia\|Vkapadia]] ([[User talk:Vkapadia\|talk]]) 20:01, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

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	::: I don't think you're arguing about quite the same thing, if you want my opinion. But - unlike you lot - I'll not expand huge paragraphs on this issue. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.91.201\|172.70.91.201]] 10:29, 9 September 2024 (UTC)		::: I don't think you're arguing about quite the same thing, if you want my opinion. But - unlike you lot - I'll not expand huge paragraphs on this issue. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.91.201\|172.70.91.201]] 10:29, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
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		+	"It is unclear what happens to the neutrons present in the oxygen nuclei" They're used in the Neutron Source. [[User:Vkapadia\|Vkapadia]] ([[User talk:Vkapadia\|talk]]) 20:01, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

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	::I don't feel like an edit war, but in fact ions are not lost, period. The gut actively transports ions ''in'', the osmotic pressure difference is nowhere near enough to remove ions that way. You don't get the ions in tap water, but they aren't actually nutritionally significant for essentially anyone.[[User:Nitpicking\|Nitpicking]] ([[User talk:Nitpicking\|talk]]) 01:54, 9 September 2024 (UTC)		::I don't feel like an edit war, but in fact ions are not lost, period. The gut actively transports ions ''in'', the osmotic pressure difference is nowhere near enough to remove ions that way. You don't get the ions in tap water, but they aren't actually nutritionally significant for essentially anyone.[[User:Nitpicking\|Nitpicking]] ([[User talk:Nitpicking\|talk]]) 01:54, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
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		+	::: I don't think you're arguing about quite the same thing, if you want my opinion. But - unlike you lot - I'll not expand huge paragraphs on this issue. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.91.201\|172.70.91.201]] 10:29, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

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	::Some studies have found a link between drinking water low in calcium and magnesium and tiredness, muscle cramps, weakness, and heart disease. Also, distilled water may not help you stay hydrated as well as other kinds of water.		::Some studies have found a link between drinking water low in calcium and magnesium and tiredness, muscle cramps, weakness, and heart disease. Also, distilled water may not help you stay hydrated as well as other kinds of water.
	:...and this is reflected in many of the respectable "is it safe/dangerous?" articles. (The medicinenet link you give actually goes into more detail on these points. Don't know about medicalnewstoday, as I can't even easily get past its "privacy notice" 'cookiewall', the way it's configured.) Thus if we're discussing ''why'' we're adding this at all (and end up with "isotonic" being a buzzword, because it sounds better than "flavoured sugar water with some mineral salts"), I had tried to explain why it could be ''thought'' necessary to proportionately undo basically the prior (often unnecessary/improbable) purification process. Couched in terms (I imagined) would not promote the "your body asplode!" myth, either. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.91.90\|172.70.91.90]] 13:33, 8 September 2024 (UTC)		:...and this is reflected in many of the respectable "is it safe/dangerous?" articles. (The medicinenet link you give actually goes into more detail on these points. Don't know about medicalnewstoday, as I can't even easily get past its "privacy notice" 'cookiewall', the way it's configured.) Thus if we're discussing ''why'' we're adding this at all (and end up with "isotonic" being a buzzword, because it sounds better than "flavoured sugar water with some mineral salts"), I had tried to explain why it could be ''thought'' necessary to proportionately undo basically the prior (often unnecessary/improbable) purification process. Couched in terms (I imagined) would not promote the "your body asplode!" myth, either. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.91.90\|172.70.91.90]] 13:33, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
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		+	::I don't feel like an edit war, but in fact ions are not lost, period. The gut actively transports ions ''in'', the osmotic pressure difference is nowhere near enough to remove ions that way. You don't get the ions in tap water, but they aren't actually nutritionally significant for essentially anyone.[[User:Nitpicking\|Nitpicking]] ([[User talk:Nitpicking\|talk]]) 01:54, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

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 ::Distilled water lacks even electrolytes like potassium and other minerals your body needs. So you may miss out on a bit of these micronutrients if you drink only the distilled stuff.
 ::Some studies have found a link between drinking water low in calcium and magnesium and tiredness, muscle cramps, weakness, and heart disease. Also, distilled water may not help you stay hydrated as well as other kinds of water.
-:...and this is reflected in many of the respectable "is it safe/dangerous?" articles. Thus if we're discussing ''why'' we're adding this at all (and end up with "isotonic" being a buzzword, because it sounds better than "flavoured sugar water with some mineral salts"), I had tried to explain why it could be ''thought'' necessary to proportionately undo basically the prior (often unnecessary/improbable) purification process. Couched in terms (I imagined) would not promote the "your body asplode!" myth, either. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.91.90|172.70.91.90]] 13:33, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
+:...and this is reflected in many of the respectable "is it safe/dangerous?" articles. (The medicinenet link you give actually goes into more detail on these points. Don't know about medicalnewstoday, as I can't even easily get past its "privacy notice" 'cookiewall', the way it's configured.) Thus if we're discussing ''why'' we're adding this at all (and end up with "isotonic" being a buzzword, because it sounds better than "flavoured sugar water with some mineral salts"), I had tried to explain why it could be ''thought'' necessary to proportionately undo basically the prior (often unnecessary/improbable) purification process. Couched in terms (I imagined) would not promote the "your body asplode!" myth, either. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.91.90|172.70.91.90]] 13:33, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

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	[[User:Nitpicking\|Nitpicking]] ([[User talk:Nitpicking\|talk]]) 12:58, 8 September 2024 (UTC)		[[User:Nitpicking\|Nitpicking]] ([[User talk:Nitpicking\|talk]]) 12:58, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
		+	:There's degrees of harm. Generally agreed that the danger isn't anywhere as bad as the 'scare stories'. (As per edit-comments, you don't explode from osmotic pressure by trying even a squirt of the ultrapure water sat around in school chemistry labs, but it probably saved having to resupply so much if incautious pupils didn't glug it down constantly.)
		+	:For example, https://www.webmd.com/diet/distilled-water-overview certainly says that it's safe, but still does point out that...
		+	::Distilled water lacks even electrolytes like potassium and other minerals your body needs. So you may miss out on a bit of these micronutrients if you drink only the distilled stuff.
		+	::Some studies have found a link between drinking water low in calcium and magnesium and tiredness, muscle cramps, weakness, and heart disease. Also, distilled water may not help you stay hydrated as well as other kinds of water.
		+	:...and this is reflected in many of the respectable "is it safe/dangerous?" articles. Thus if we're discussing ''why'' we're adding this at all (and end up with "isotonic" being a buzzword, because it sounds better than "flavoured sugar water with some mineral salts"), I had tried to explain why it could be ''thought'' necessary to proportionately undo basically the prior (often unnecessary/improbable) purification process. Couched in terms (I imagined) would not promote the "your body asplode!" myth, either. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.91.90\|172.70.91.90]] 13:33, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

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	Are we talking about water treatment, water filtration, or water purification? Because blending water and using UV are useful tools in water treatment but are not filtration and are pointless for purification. Treatment is anything done to make the water healthier or more pleasant to drink or better for equipment. Filtration requires physical separation of water from contaminants (which would not count most of these processes, and some, such as electrolysis, kinda break the definition water systems use since they separate at too fine a level to really count as a water filter anymore, despite the comic name). Purification is the elimination of anything that isn't water. I thought part of the joke was that it was supposed to be treatment for home faucets for drinking purposes. I wouldn't care except it would change the classifcation of the columns. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.178.122\|172.70.178.122]] 10:49, 8 September 2024 (UTC)		Are we talking about water treatment, water filtration, or water purification? Because blending water and using UV are useful tools in water treatment but are not filtration and are pointless for purification. Treatment is anything done to make the water healthier or more pleasant to drink or better for equipment. Filtration requires physical separation of water from contaminants (which would not count most of these processes, and some, such as electrolysis, kinda break the definition water systems use since they separate at too fine a level to really count as a water filter anymore, despite the comic name). Purification is the elimination of anything that isn't water. I thought part of the joke was that it was supposed to be treatment for home faucets for drinking purposes. I wouldn't care except it would change the classifcation of the columns. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.178.122\|172.70.178.122]] 10:49, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
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		+	Some references on how hypotonic water doesn't harm human beings:
		+	https://www.medicinenet.com/is_drinking_distilled_water_good_or_bad_for_you/article.htm
		+	https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/317698#is-it-safe
		+	[[User:Nitpicking\|Nitpicking]] ([[User talk:Nitpicking\|talk]]) 12:58, 8 September 2024 (UTC)