Talk:2989: Physics Lab Thermostat - Revision history

Ullallulloo at 13:36, 27 September 2024

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172.70.91.30 at 10:00, 27 September 2024

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172.68.186.74 at 09:59, 27 September 2024

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ISaveXKCDpapers: added SCP comment

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added SCP comment

172.69.43.171 at 13:32, 26 September 2024

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172.69.194.65 at 12:43, 26 September 2024

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172.71.147.19: original

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original

172.71.146.188: pulled the trigger

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pulled the trigger

172.71.147.146: wat

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wat

172.70.160.182 at 10:14, 25 September 2024

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 :::Really, it wasn't as bad as others have been. Anyway, I tweaked it myself. In particular, changing the 'constant' would seem to just be a matter of recalibrating what kelvin are. i.e. what was 273.15K is no longer that value, even if 0K still is ({{w|Zero-point energy|maybe}}? ...or only in the most theoretical of ideal gas?) the same. The AI seemingly cannot explain how you might feel hotter or colder with a same temperature, or understand why that's a nonsensical description (in leiu of windchill or fever effects).
 :::And describing the dial range (and setting) in terms of temperature is problematic if we're not changing the heat energy (of whatever value) in any way and only adjusting what the temperature callibration may be against that. But whatever. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.43.171|172.69.43.171]] 13:32, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
 : On the use of "/" for "or", unless the article has changed significantly since that complaint, it's clearly using the slash in a way that is intended to be a "higher and more localised grammatical priority" than the more wordy conjunction. You might typically say "this slash that" as a monatomic grammatical element which doesn't confuse with wider-scope conjunctions.

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 Isn't this like SCP-536? [[User:ISaveXKCDpapers|ISaveXKCDpapers]] ([[User talk:ISaveXKCDpapers|talk]]) 00:36, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
-People keep 'correcting' the order/effect of changing the constantz wrongly. I tried to add the reason why it's higher number (low temperature) to lower number (high temperature), but someone else thought ''this'' was confusing, removed it and therefore left the explanation open to being incorrectly 'corrected' again. So, for reference, with added ()s that would have explained more but have led to nested parens, above:
+People keep 'correcting' the order/effect of changing the constant, wrongly. I tried to add the reason why it's higher number (low temperature) to lower number (high temperature), but someone else thought ''this'' was confusing, removed it and therefore left the explanation open to being incorrectly 'corrected' again. So, for reference, with added ()s that would have explained more but have led to nested parens, above:
 *The formula is ''E=kT'' (or could be read ''k=E/T'', ''k'' being the so-called-constant) so, for the same energy of ''E'', an increased 'constant' of ''k'' must be matched by a proportionally decreased temperature measurement in the form of ''T''.
 *This should also be clear by the fact that the given units of "J/K" (for the confused, that "K" is the kelvin measurement, against the "J" of joules), written on the dial, feature the base unit for temperature as a reciprocal factor. (So, again, the dial's inverse applies.)
 ...and that's why it's 'the wrong way round'. Because it isn't. And all this assuming we usecexactly the same units (another thing that was removed). Anybody who can insert a way to explain it better, in the main article, please do. So we don't get more 'corrections', so easily. [[Special:Contributions/172.68.186.74|172.68.186.74]] 09:59, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

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	Isn't this like SCP-536? [[User:ISaveXKCDpapers\|ISaveXKCDpapers]] ([[User talk:ISaveXKCDpapers\|talk]]) 00:36, 27 September 2024 (UTC)		Isn't this like SCP-536? [[User:ISaveXKCDpapers\|ISaveXKCDpapers]] ([[User talk:ISaveXKCDpapers\|talk]]) 00:36, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
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		+	People keep 'correcting' the order/effect of changing the constantz wrongly. I tried to add the reason why it's higher number (low temperature) to lower number (high temperature), but someone else thought ''this'' was confusing, removed it and therefore left the explanation open to being incorrectly 'corrected' again. So, for reference, with added ()s that would have explained more but have led to nested parens, above:
		+	*The formula is ''E=kT'' (or could be read ''k=E/T'', ''k'' being the so-called-constant) so, for the same energy of ''E'', an increased 'constant' of ''k'' must be matched by a proportionally decreased temperature measurement in the form of ''T''.
		+	*This should also be clear by the fact that the given units of "J/K" (for the confused, that "K" is the kelvin measurement, against the "J" of joules), written on the dial, feature the base unit for temperature as a reciprocal factor. (So, again, the dial's inverse applies.)
		+	...and that's why it's 'the wrong way round'. Because it isn't. And all this assuming we usecexactly the same units (another thing that was removed). Anybody who can insert a way to explain it better, in the main article, please do. So we don't get more 'corrections', so easily. [[Special:Contributions/172.68.186.74\|172.68.186.74]] 09:59, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

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	:1) Sign, please; 2) May be more handy to internally use something like <code><nowiki>[[2292: Thermometer]]</nowiki></code>, here, i.e. [[2292: Thermometer]]; 3) Similar basis, but weird/obscure/awkward ''actual'' measure, with the necessary constant (for conversion purposes) still being constant.		:1) Sign, please; 2) May be more handy to internally use something like <code><nowiki>[[2292: Thermometer]]</nowiki></code>, here, i.e. [[2292: Thermometer]]; 3) Similar basis, but weird/obscure/awkward ''actual'' measure, with the necessary constant (for conversion purposes) still being constant.
	:Randall's clearly well versed in the use, or at least the generalities, of ''k''. I think these are two different jokes(/punchlines) taken from the same root physics. I'm sure there's a good way of noting the link, even if it's not as close as you suggest. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.160.182\|172.70.160.182]] 10:14, 25 September 2024 (UTC)		:Randall's clearly well versed in the use, or at least the generalities, of ''k''. I think these are two different jokes(/punchlines) taken from the same root physics. I'm sure there's a good way of noting the link, even if it's not as close as you suggest. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.160.182\|172.70.160.182]] 10:14, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
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		+	Isn't this like SCP-536? [[User:ISaveXKCDpapers\|ISaveXKCDpapers]] ([[User talk:ISaveXKCDpapers\|talk]]) 00:36, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

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 : Yeah I guess I'm dumb since I don't get the explanation either.  Is changing the constant basically saying you are changing the definition of a temperature? EG we lowered the constant so 20C is now 30C, thus it's "warmer" (even though functionally the molecules have the same average energy, so nothing actually changed).  Or is there more to it than that? [[Special:Contributions/172.68.54.139|172.68.54.139]] 20:13, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
 ::I replaced it with the above. I have never seen a worse explanation here ever. The original is [https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=2989:_Physics_Lab_Thermostat&oldid=351205#Explanation here], in case someone thinks anything needs to be salvaged. [[Special:Contributions/172.71.146.188|172.71.146.188]] 07:09, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
 : On the use of "/" for "or", unless the article has changed significantly since that complaint, it's clearly using the slash in a way that is intended to be a "higher and more localised grammatical priority" than the more wordy conjunction. You might typically say "this slash that" as a monatomic grammatical element which doesn't confuse with wider-scope conjunctions.

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 : It's probably intrinsically way more understandable than my above analysis and its analogies! But it's how I read it and my best way of explaining my understanding. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.91.253|172.70.91.253]] 06:58, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
 ::Is this supposed to be a joke?!? If it were more understandable, why isn't it a common abbreviation? [[Special:Contributions/172.71.147.146|172.71.147.146]] 06:10, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
 Maybe worth noting: this is almost the joke of https://www.xkcd.com/2292/. {{unsigned ip|172.68.210.15|08:52, 25 September 2024}}
 :1) Sign, please; 2) May be more handy to internally use something like <code><nowiki>[[2292: Thermometer]]</nowiki></code>, here, i.e. [[2292: Thermometer]]; 3) Similar basis, but weird/obscure/awkward ''actual'' measure, with the necessary constant (for conversion purposes) still being constant.
 :Randall's clearly well versed in the use, or at least the generalities, of ''k''. I think these are two different jokes(/punchlines) taken from the same root physics. I'm sure there's a good way of noting the link, even if it's not as close as you suggest. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.160.182|172.70.160.182]] 10:14, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

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	: It's probably intrinsically way more understandable than my above analysis and its analogies! But it's how I read it and my best way of explaining my understanding. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.91.253\|172.70.91.253]] 06:58, 25 September 2024 (UTC)		: It's probably intrinsically way more understandable than my above analysis and its analogies! But it's how I read it and my best way of explaining my understanding. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.91.253\|172.70.91.253]] 06:58, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

−	Maybe worth noting: this is almost the joke of https://www.xkcd.com/2292/.	+	Maybe worth noting: this is almost the joke of https://www.xkcd.com/2292/. {{unsigned ip\|172.68.210.15\|08:52, 25 September 2024}}
		+	:1) Sign, please; 2) May be more handy to internally use something like <code><nowiki>[[2292: Thermometer]]</nowiki></code>, here, i.e. [[2292: Thermometer]]; 3) Similar basis, but weird/obscure/awkward ''actual'' measure, with the necessary constant (for conversion purposes) still being constant.
		+	:Randall's clearly well versed in the use, or at least the generalities, of ''k''. I think these are two different jokes(/punchlines) taken from the same root physics. I'm sure there's a good way of noting the link, even if it's not as close as you suggest. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.160.182\|172.70.160.182]] 10:14, 25 September 2024 (UTC)