Talk:2995: University Commas - Revision history

Transgalactic at 00:23, 5 November 2024

2024-11-05T00:23:01Z

Argleblargh: Adding note about the rarity of Mac & Cheese in Canada

2024-10-25T23:18:02Z

Adding note about the rarity of Mac & Cheese in Canada

Kapten-N: Corrected my own comment.

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172.70.85.110 at 05:12, 18 October 2024

2024-10-18T05:12:08Z

172.70.130.171: Commented on Grilled cheese and Cheese Toasties

2024-10-17T23:37:44Z

Commented on Grilled cheese and Cheese Toasties

162.158.158.97: Formatting

2024-10-14T16:43:55Z

Formatting

162.158.158.97: Reply about MIT and Rust

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Reply about MIT and Rust

172.70.91.78: Undo revision 352767 by 172.70.86.204 (talk) Removed edits to others' attributable contributions. And an unsigned comment that wasn't good enough to bother adding a relevent signature to.

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Undo revision 352767 by 172.70.86.204 (talk) Removed edits to others' attributable contributions. And an unsigned comment that wasn't good enough to bother adding a relevent signature to.

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	There has been a problem with different versions. I shifted a paragraph, but the [https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=2995:_University_Commas&oldid=352624 version that got saved] had 1615 characters less than before. A whole lot of rambling had been removed from the explanation, but there was no version conflict warning and no other saved revision in the [https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=2995:_University_Commas&action=history revision history]. I didn't want to take credit for the changes, though I appreciated them, so I undid my edit, then redid my shift of paragraphs, and hoped that the other editor would reconcile the versions. That didn't happen. I'm writing this note to draw attention to the "lost edit". [[User:Transgalactic\|Transgalactic]] ([[User talk:Transgalactic\|talk]]) 18:28, 11 October 2024 (UTC)		There has been a problem with different versions. I shifted a paragraph, but the [https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=2995:_University_Commas&oldid=352624 version that got saved] had 1615 characters less than before. A whole lot of rambling had been removed from the explanation, but there was no version conflict warning and no other saved revision in the [https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=2995:_University_Commas&action=history revision history]. I didn't want to take credit for the changes, though I appreciated them, so I undid my edit, then redid my shift of paragraphs, and hoped that the other editor would reconcile the versions. That didn't happen. I'm writing this note to draw attention to the "lost edit". [[User:Transgalactic\|Transgalactic]] ([[User talk:Transgalactic\|talk]]) 18:28, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
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		+	:It seems later editors simply ignored my warning. This is currently one of the least readable explanations in the whole wiki. I'm putting the "incomplete" tag back up to fix this. [[User:Transgalactic\|Transgalactic]] ([[User talk:Transgalactic\|talk]]) 00:23, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

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	:'Mac & cheese' is, sadly, probably more common in the UK now than the proper 'macaroni cheese'.[[Special:Contributions/141.101.99.47\|141.101.99.47]] 08:25, 9 October 2024 (UTC)		:'Mac & cheese' is, sadly, probably more common in the UK now than the proper 'macaroni cheese'.[[Special:Contributions/141.101.99.47\|141.101.99.47]] 08:25, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
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		+	:'Mac & Cheese' is not even used that commonly in Canada. The dish is more commonly referred to as KD, short for Kraft Dinner, which is the most common version found in most grocers, similar to Kleenex being a substitute for tissues. [[User:Argleblargh\|Argleblargh]] ([[User talk:Argleblargh\|talk]]) 23:18, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

	I'm not opposed to the added red text in the Notation column, but it needs to be explained in the Explanation column. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.90.8\|162.158.90.8]] 00:18, 9 October 2024 (UTC)		I'm not opposed to the added red text in the Notation column, but it needs to be explained in the Explanation column. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.90.8\|162.158.90.8]] 00:18, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

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 ABAP uses dots as end-of-command delimiters. {{unsigned ip|162.158.202.92|06:13, 11 October 2024}}
-I read the Stanford comma as adding a specification to the apples, that they should be McIntosh apples shortened as "mac". I don't see why the explanation suggests a raincoat here... [[User:Kapten-N|Kapten-N]] ([[User talk:Kapten-N|talk]]) 09:12, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
+I read the Columbia comma as adding a specification to the apples, that they should be McIntosh apples shortened as "mac". I don't see why the explanation suggests a raincoat here... [[User:Kapten-N|Kapten-N]] ([[User talk:Kapten-N|talk]]) 09:12, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
 == ! UNRESOLVED VERSION CONFLICT ! ==
 There has been a problem with different versions. I shifted a paragraph, but the [https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=2995:_University_Commas&oldid=352624 version that got saved] had 1615 characters less than before. A whole lot of rambling had been removed from the explanation, but there was no version conflict warning and no other saved revision in the [https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=2995:_University_Commas&action=history revision history]. I didn't want to take credit for the changes, though I appreciated them, so I undid my edit, then redid my shift of paragraphs, and hoped that the other editor would reconcile the versions. That didn't happen. I'm writing this note to draw attention to the "lost edit". [[User:Transgalactic|Transgalactic]] ([[User talk:Transgalactic|talk]]) 18:28, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

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 ABAP uses dots as end-of-command delimiters. {{unsigned ip|162.158.202.92|06:13, 11 October 2024}}
 == ! UNRESOLVED VERSION CONFLICT ! ==
 There has been a problem with different versions. I shifted a paragraph, but the [https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=2995:_University_Commas&oldid=352624 version that got saved] had 1615 characters less than before. A whole lot of rambling had been removed from the explanation, but there was no version conflict warning and no other saved revision in the [https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=2995:_University_Commas&action=history revision history]. I didn't want to take credit for the changes, though I appreciated them, so I undid my edit, then redid my shift of paragraphs, and hoped that the other editor would reconcile the versions. That didn't happen. I'm writing this note to draw attention to the "lost edit". [[User:Transgalactic|Transgalactic]] ([[User talk:Transgalactic|talk]]) 18:28, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

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 ::: By the logic of your second interpretation, "cheese macaroni" is clearly macaroni for cheese. The lexical existence of this separate form of macaroni begs the question: what kind of macaroni goes best with macaroni cheese? The plain kind or cheese macaroni? The answer is neither! The best kind of macaroni to serve with macaroni cheese is clearly macaroni-cheese macaroni. But then what kind of cheese goes best with that? None other than (macaroni cheese)-macaroni cheese, which in turn is best served with ((macaroni cheese) macaroni)-cheese macaroni. This interleaving of macaroni and cheese never ends, meaning that no matter where you choose to stop, you will always end up with a sub-optimal pairing. So it's best to just not eat any form of cheese with any form of macaroni, to avoid disappointment. As an aside, the logic of your first interpretation implies that "macaroni cheese" is actually cheese that's made of macaroni. [[User:MelodiousThunk|MelodiousThunk]] ([[User talk:MelodiousThunk|talk]]) 12:48, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
 ::As opposed to 'mac and cheese', which sounds like a particularly unappetising dish made using a waterproof coat.[[Special:Contributions/172.68.186.92|172.68.186.92]] 15:43, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
-::::Oddly, US English goes the other way with "grilled cheese", neglecting to mention that the cheese should be placed between slices of bread before grilling; in British English, it would generally be called a "cheese toastie". (Until looking it up, I was under the mistaken belief that it was a name for what we would call "cheese on toast", which also involves grilling the cheese, on the toast.)
+::::Oddly, US English goes the other way with "grilled cheese", neglecting to mention that the cheese should be placed between slices of bread before grilling; in British English, it would generally be called a "cheese toastie". (Until looking it up, I was under the mistaken belief that it was a name for what we would call "cheese on toast", which also involves grilling the cheese, on the toast.) [[User:IMSoP|IMSoP]] ([[User talk:IMSoP|talk]]) 21:16, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- - Grilled Cheese is short for Grilled Cheese Sandwich, and Cheese Toastie is short for toasted (or toast(ie/y) cheese Sandwich. In both cases the hearer is expected to know, either from context or experience, that a sandwich is being referenced (offered). It is possible that toasting has mor eassociations with bread (and therefore sandwiches) than grilling, but either toasting or grilling can be done to a variety of foods, including bread(s).[[Special:Contributions/172.70.130.171|172.70.130.171]] 23:37, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
+:::::Grilled Cheese is short for Grilled Cheese Sandwich, and Cheese Toastie is short for toasted (or toast(ie/y) cheese Sandwich. In both cases the hearer is expected to know, either from context or experience, that a sandwich is being referenced (offered). It is possible that toasting has mor eassociations with bread (and therefore sandwiches) than grilling, but either toasting or grilling can be done to a variety of foods, including bread(s).[[Special:Contributions/172.70.130.171|172.70.130.171]] 23:37, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
-[[User:IMSoP|IMSoP]] ([[User talk:IMSoP|talk]]) 21:16, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
+::::::A "toasted cheese sandwich" may or may not get the same name as "cheese on toast" (i.e. a sort of "toasted cheese smörgåsbord", or a kind of {{w|Welsh rarebit}}-redux, rather than 'raw' cheese put onto freshly toasted toast, which is yet ''another'' option).
 :'Mac & cheese' is, sadly, probably more common in the UK now than the proper 'macaroni cheese'.[[Special:Contributions/141.101.99.47|141.101.99.47]] 08:25, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

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 Specifically, MIT is the home of the Rust language, which prominently uses trailing commas after the last item in a list as a matter of programming style.[[Special:Contributions/172.70.214.211|172.70.214.211]]
- * As best I can tell this isn't true? Rust was not developed at MIT, nor is it currently sponsored by MIT. As best I can tell, the only association between the two is an old copy of the book "The Rust Programming Language" hosted under MIT's domain. I would guess that the comic refers to it as the "MIT comma" simply for the reference to programming [[Special:Contributions/162.158.158.97|162.158.158.97]] 16:43, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
+* As best I can tell this isn't true? Rust was not developed at MIT, nor is it currently sponsored by MIT. As best I can tell, the only association between the two is an old copy of the book "The Rust Programming Language" hosted under MIT's domain. I would guess that the comic refers to it as the "MIT comma" simply for the reference to programming [[Special:Contributions/162.158.158.97|162.158.158.97]] 16:43, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
 ABAP uses dots as end-of-command delimiters. {{unsigned ip|162.158.202.92|06:13, 11 October 2024}}

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	Specifically, MIT is the home of the Rust language, which prominently uses trailing commas after the last item in a list as a matter of programming style.[[Special:Contributions/172.70.214.211\|172.70.214.211]]		Specifically, MIT is the home of the Rust language, which prominently uses trailing commas after the last item in a list as a matter of programming style.[[Special:Contributions/172.70.214.211\|172.70.214.211]]
		+	* As best I can tell this isn't true? Rust was not developed at MIT, nor is it currently sponsored by MIT. As best I can tell, the only association between the two is an old copy of the book "The Rust Programming Language" hosted under MIT's domain. I would guess that the comic refers to it as the "MIT comma" simply for the reference to programming [[Special:Contributions/162.158.158.97\|162.158.158.97]] 16:43, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

	ABAP uses dots as end-of-command delimiters. {{unsigned ip\|162.158.202.92\|06:13, 11 October 2024}}		ABAP uses dots as end-of-command delimiters. {{unsigned ip\|162.158.202.92\|06:13, 11 October 2024}}

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 :*"mac and, cheese" - valid comma (potentially a post-conjunctive sub-clause).
 :*"and cheese, milk" - valid comma (follow-up sub-clause).
-:*"cheese, milk, and" - Oxford comma.
+:*"cheese, milk, and" - Oxford comma. (Thus invalid, by default. IMO.)
 :*"milk and, bread." - ...would be valid, as above, except for the sentence ending.
-:*"and bread,." - Ok. Definitely the worst.
+:*"and bread,." - Ok. Definitely the worst. (Except for the Oxford Comma, which is still worserer!)
 :Obviously, combinations of them (or counterpart lack of them, in some cases) can clash badly. Some can work well together, but using ()s, ;s or feetnete<sup>*</sup> is often better than diving in and out of sub-clauses in the midst of a comma-bound list and potentially making it ambiguous whether you're diving in/out of a clarifying aside or replacing a non-terminating conjunction or perhaps one of the other usages to which a comma might apply.
 :<sup>*</sup> Or just generally rewriting a multi-clausal sentence completely!  [[Special:Contributions/172.70.86.22|172.70.86.22]] 23:30, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
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 I thought the UCLA & Michigan commas referred to quotes within citations. This isn't uncommon in literary studies, where you quote articles quoting books. Depending on your quotation style, this can result in a long string of 3-4 "commas" (as in: short lines in punctuation marks). If you place the quote between actual commas, make that 4-5. [[User:Transgalactic|Transgalactic]] ([[User talk:Transgalactic|talk]]) 08:34, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
-I think the tirade against the Oxford comma in the article is not relevant for understanding the comic. "'To my mother, Ayn Rand and God' does not" is not saying that Ayn Rand is the mother. To express that one should write "To my mother, Ayn Rand, and to God". Thus the ambiguity can be resolved. I velieve one of the editors is mixing in their personal taste here. --[[Special:Contributions/172.71.160.71|172.71.160.71]] 09:03, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
+I think the tirade against the Oxford comma in the article is not relevant for understanding the comic. "'To my mother, Ayn Rand and God' does not" is not saying that Ayn Rand is the mother. To express that one should write "To my mother, Ayn Rand, and to God". Thus the ambiguity can be resolved. I believe one of the editors is mixing in their personal taste here. --[[Special:Contributions/172.71.160.71|172.71.160.71]] 09:03, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
 :Tirade? Hardly. It explains when it doesn't help (and when it might).
 :And I think you misread. "'To my mother, Ayn Rand and God' does not" indeed does not say that Ayn Rand is the mother. In fact it ''explicitly'' says that "'To my mother, Ayn Rand and God'"... erm... does ''not'' say the thing that 'To my mother, Ayn Rand, and God' ''potentially'' does. (See table below.)
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 ABAP uses dots as end-of-command delimiters. {{unsigned ip|162.158.202.92|06:13, 11 October 2024}}
 == ! UNRESOLVED VERSION CONFLICT ! ==
 There has been a problem with different versions. I shifted a paragraph, but the [https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=2995:_University_Commas&oldid=352624 version that got saved] had 1615 characters less than before. A whole lot of rambling had been removed from the explanation, but there was no version conflict warning and no other saved revision in the [https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=2995:_University_Commas&action=history revision history]. I didn't want to take credit for the changes, though I appreciated them, so I undid my edit, then redid my shift of paragraphs, and hoped that the other editor would reconcile the versions. That didn't happen. I'm writing this note to draw attention to the "lost edit". [[User:Transgalactic|Transgalactic]] ([[User talk:Transgalactic|talk]]) 18:28, 11 October 2024 (UTC)