Talk:3044: Humidifier Review - Revision history

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 ::Actually, climate activists are trying to avoid mentioning it, but humans are TOTALLY significant producers of CO2 considering how many of them are. But mentioning it reveals the uncomfortable truth: we can't REALLY get to zero carbon dioxide emission. It's not realistic goal. -- [[User:Hkmaly|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly|talk]]) 06:43, 3 February 2025 (UTC)
 :::The idea isn't zero emissions, it's ''net'' zero - as much coming out as goes in.[[Special:Contributions/172.69.43.182|172.69.43.182]] 09:23, 3 February 2025 (UTC)
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	: "''...a natural gas furnace, that will produce water, .....could ...be fed into a humidifier,''" There are gas appliances, cookers and room heaters, also gas clothes dryers, which can vent damp exhaust directly to the room. But even when I paid for water, I never fretted about the cost of humidity. And I already run a dehumidifier 7 months a year. And the hi-eff gas burners and the dehumidifier in a damp basement already force me to maintain a non-ignorable pump infrastructure to lift water out of the cellar. -- So unlike the joker in the cartoon, I am hyper-aware of my humidity.--[[User:PRR\|PRR]] ([[User talk:PRR\|talk]]) 04:39, 31 January 2025 (UTC)		: "''...a natural gas furnace, that will produce water, .....could ...be fed into a humidifier,''" There are gas appliances, cookers and room heaters, also gas clothes dryers, which can vent damp exhaust directly to the room. But even when I paid for water, I never fretted about the cost of humidity. And I already run a dehumidifier 7 months a year. And the hi-eff gas burners and the dehumidifier in a damp basement already force me to maintain a non-ignorable pump infrastructure to lift water out of the cellar. -- So unlike the joker in the cartoon, I am hyper-aware of my humidity.--[[User:PRR\|PRR]] ([[User talk:PRR\|talk]]) 04:39, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

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	: "''...a natural gas furnace, that will produce water, .....could ...be fed into a humidifier,''" There are gas appliances, cookers and room heaters, also gas clothes dryers, which can vent damp exhaust directly to the room. But even when I paid for water, I never fretted about the cost of humidity. And I already run a dehumidifier 7 months a year. And the hi-eff gas burners and the dehumidifier in a damp basement already force me to maintain a non-ignorable pump infrastructure to lift water out of the cellar. -- So unlike the joker in the cartoon, I am hyper-aware of my humidity.--[[User:PRR\|PRR]] ([[User talk:PRR\|talk]]) 04:39, 31 January 2025 (UTC)		: "''...a natural gas furnace, that will produce water, .....could ...be fed into a humidifier,''" There are gas appliances, cookers and room heaters, also gas clothes dryers, which can vent damp exhaust directly to the room. But even when I paid for water, I never fretted about the cost of humidity. And I already run a dehumidifier 7 months a year. And the hi-eff gas burners and the dehumidifier in a damp basement already force me to maintain a non-ignorable pump infrastructure to lift water out of the cellar. -- So unlike the joker in the cartoon, I am hyper-aware of my humidity.--[[User:PRR\|PRR]] ([[User talk:PRR\|talk]]) 04:39, 31 January 2025 (UTC)
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 Somehow, the text here makes me think of the air-source heat pump equivalent, i.e. ''Why shouldn't it be the case that humidifiers condense outside air and suck the water out of it, and then pump that water into the conditioned space and re-disperse it?'' Of course, the obvious answer is that doing so would be frightfully expensive and entirely unnecessary given the cost of that kind of condensation compared to the cost of water. And, of course, the capital cost for the minor plumbing to install a domestic water line to the humidifier is going to be far smaller than the capital cost of a heat pump apparatus (or whatever) to generate condensation outdoors and then pump it into the conditioned space. [[User:JohnHawkinson|JohnHawkinson]] ([[User talk:JohnHawkinson|talk]]) 00:13, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
 :Also it would still need that amount of water, just that the operator doesn't need to add it manually. --[[User:Lupo|Lupo]] ([[User talk:Lupo|talk]]) 12:43, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
 This reminds me of the whole thing with the VTuber Sakura Miko where she was using a humidifier without knowing she had to fill the tank with water for at least a year [[Special:Contributions/172.70.223.184|172.70.223.184]] 01:10, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

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 ::::: You would burn less calories ''doing the cycling'' vs ''doing the walking'', but you wouldn't burn less calories ''overall'', because the calories you 'saved' would simply end up being burnt elsewhere. Even if you drove the journey, your overall calorie expenditure would still end up being the same. And in any case the food you consume doesn't tend to have much relationship to how much you 'require' — just because you walk rather than cycle doesn't mean you're then going to have a smaller portion at dinner — so how much you're burning is fairly irrelevant to carbon footprint.[[Special:Contributions/172.71.178.124|172.71.178.124]] 09:14, 3 February 2025 (UTC)
 ::Actually, climate activists are trying to avoid mentioning it, but humans are TOTALLY significant producers of CO2 considering how many of them are. But mentioning it reveals the uncomfortable truth: we can't REALLY get to zero carbon dioxide emission. It's not realistic goal. -- [[User:Hkmaly|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly|talk]]) 06:43, 3 February 2025 (UTC)
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 :::::And even wear-and-tear-based upkeep is also a somewhat variable relationship. I wear out walking shoes within a year or two. I typically expect my bike tyres (and inner-tubes) to last much longer, but are subject to unrepairable damage at any time (I've had to deal with three separate punctures in a single day, before, luckily was easy to patch), which can badly mess with the running average.
 ::::: The point being that comparison is difficult. And even if you're sure you've tied down what you mean, someone else may think it applies to their own (different) understanding. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.91.246|172.70.91.246]] 17:47, 31 January 2025 (UTC)
-::::: You would burn less calories ''doing the cycling'' vs ''doing the walking'', but you wouldn't burn less calories ''overall'', because the calories you 'saved' would simply end up being burnt elsewhere. Even if you drove the journey, your overall calorie expenditure would still end up being the same. And in any case the food you consume doesn't tend to have much relationship to how much you 'require', so how much you're burning is fairly irrelevant to carbon footprint.[[Special:Contributions/172.71.178.124|172.71.178.124]] 09:14, 3 February 2025 (UTC)
+::::: You would burn less calories ''doing the cycling'' vs ''doing the walking'', but you wouldn't burn less calories ''overall'', because the calories you 'saved' would simply end up being burnt elsewhere. Even if you drove the journey, your overall calorie expenditure would still end up being the same. And in any case the food you consume doesn't tend to have much relationship to how much you 'require' — just because you walk rather than cycle doesn't mean you're then going to have a smaller portion at dinner — so how much you're burning is fairly irrelevant to carbon footprint.[[Special:Contributions/172.71.178.124|172.71.178.124]] 09:14, 3 February 2025 (UTC)
 ::Actually, climate activists are trying to avoid mentioning it, but humans are TOTALLY significant producers of CO2 considering how many of them are. But mentioning it reveals the uncomfortable truth: we can't REALLY get to zero carbon dioxide emission. It's not realistic goal. -- [[User:Hkmaly|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly|talk]]) 06:43, 3 February 2025 (UTC)