Talk:3045: AlphaMove - Revision history

50.145.191.10 at 15:59, 19 December 2025

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78.144.255.82 at 19:19, 7 December 2025

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Heleatunda: Success in Losing

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Success in Losing

216.162.60.49 at 02:07, 7 December 2025

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165.225.213.98: Added some extra alternatives for White to prevent 1-move checkmate

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Added some extra alternatives for White to prevent 1-move checkmate

172.70.91.182 at 13:31, 14 May 2025

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Aprilfoolsupdate! at 09:08, 14 May 2025

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Bb777 at 01:40, 24 March 2025

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799571388 at 11:34, 14 February 2025

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172.68.23.136 at 01:01, 11 February 2025

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	Is it even possible to lose to this bot? I mean, I bet it is, but if it is, how would one go about doing it? {{unsigned ip\|216.162.60.49\|02:07, 7 December 2025}}		Is it even possible to lose to this bot? I mean, I bet it is, but if it is, how would one go about doing it? {{unsigned ip\|216.162.60.49\|02:07, 7 December 2025}}
	:I did it! Qd8# for the loss. I had K on a8 behind pawns on a7 and b7. Now, who wants to try to reverse engineer my game? [[User:Heleatunda\|Heleatunda]] ([[User talk:Heleatunda\|talk]]) 05:04, 7 December 2025 (UTC)		:I did it! Qd8# for the loss. I had K on a8 behind pawns on a7 and b7. Now, who wants to try to reverse engineer my game? [[User:Heleatunda\|Heleatunda]] ([[User talk:Heleatunda\|talk]]) 05:04, 7 December 2025 (UTC)
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		+	In the position in the comic, Black isn't merely ahead, but is about to win with ... Bb4#. Right? [[Special:Contributions/50.145.191.10\|50.145.191.10]]

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 :Might be easier to apply to something like [[839: Explorers]], though. See if the on-ship conflict can ever be resolved? [[Special:Contributions/172.70.91.182|172.70.91.182]] 13:31, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
-Is it even possible to lose to this bot? I mean, I bet it is, but if it is, how would one go about doing it?
+Is it even possible to lose to this bot? I mean, I bet it is, but if it is, how would one go about doing it? {{unsigned ip|216.162.60.49|02:07, 7 December 2025}}
+:I did it! Qd8# for the loss. I had K on a8 behind pawns on a7 and b7. Now, who wants to try to reverse engineer my game? [[User:Heleatunda|Heleatunda]] ([[User talk:Heleatunda|talk]]) 05:04, 7 December 2025 (UTC)

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	Is it even possible to lose to this bot? I mean, I bet it is, but if it is, how would one go about doing it?		Is it even possible to lose to this bot? I mean, I bet it is, but if it is, how would one go about doing it?
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		+	I did it! Qd8# for the loss. I had K on a8 behind pawns on a7 and b7. Now, who wants to try to reverse engineer my game?
		+	[[User:Heleatunda\|Heleatunda]] ([[User talk:Heleatunda\|talk]]) 05:04, 7 December 2025 (UTC)

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	:(Didn't somebody already suggest this, ages ago? Maybe I dreampt that!) Chess Zoo deliberately has zero chances of pieces taking other pieces, so you could simulate white and black's options on their own without having to respect each other's turns. But you would have to still work out if it's "simultaneous chess", every piece is autonomous and always has a choice of move, per 'game tick', or (like "sequential chess") the AlphaMove algorithm chooses the one move of ''all'' pieces' possible moves that it will make. And, because the zoo-board is much bigger than 8x8, the coordinate-square names could favour particular pieces; unless you use different coordinates according to the practical limits of a given piece-'class' (small for the pawn-enclosures, larger for the 'royal' king/queen areas) or even overlapping bounds (in the case of the rook/bishop/knight ones), in which case other alphanumeric spreads apply. So several decisions need to be applied to ''how'' AlphaMove applies to the ChessZoo 'board', or 'boards'.		:(Didn't somebody already suggest this, ages ago? Maybe I dreampt that!) Chess Zoo deliberately has zero chances of pieces taking other pieces, so you could simulate white and black's options on their own without having to respect each other's turns. But you would have to still work out if it's "simultaneous chess", every piece is autonomous and always has a choice of move, per 'game tick', or (like "sequential chess") the AlphaMove algorithm chooses the one move of ''all'' pieces' possible moves that it will make. And, because the zoo-board is much bigger than 8x8, the coordinate-square names could favour particular pieces; unless you use different coordinates according to the practical limits of a given piece-'class' (small for the pawn-enclosures, larger for the 'royal' king/queen areas) or even overlapping bounds (in the case of the rook/bishop/knight ones), in which case other alphanumeric spreads apply. So several decisions need to be applied to ''how'' AlphaMove applies to the ChessZoo 'board', or 'boards'.
	:Might be easier to apply to something like [[839: Explorers]], though. See if the on-ship conflict can ever be resolved? [[Special:Contributions/172.70.91.182\|172.70.91.182]] 13:31, 14 May 2025 (UTC)		:Might be easier to apply to something like [[839: Explorers]], though. See if the on-ship conflict can ever be resolved? [[Special:Contributions/172.70.91.182\|172.70.91.182]] 13:31, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
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		+	Is it even possible to lose to this bot? I mean, I bet it is, but if it is, how would one go about doing it?

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 Even if white makes a different move, its still forced mate in one. RIP XKCD Bot. [[User:Redacted II|Redacted II]] ([[User talk:Redacted II|talk]]) 00:53, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
 :Well, for most options.  Queen to a4 puts Black in check, forestalling an immediate move to mate White; capturing the knight de-threatens enough squares around the king that Black can't check next turn without leaving an escape route. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.176.28|172.70.176.28]] 17:45, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
 <s>Although it wouldn't change the outcome much (either by changing black's move or white's general options), I'm currently not understanding why Kd4 isn't on the list of options at this point in time. So long since I played serious(ish) chess, and the only reason I could think of is that it's probibited by some strict ortbodox game rule recognising the ''potential'' moving of the knight out of the way (in the next white move-cycle). But I'd have treated that later option as forbidden, as a revealing-mate. But, as I said, it's been a while, so maybe I'm just blind to something like a sweeping bishop-range that disbars this (much as the near knight, bishop and pawn disbars four out of the five moves).</s> ...darn, it's just clicked. That's the AlphaMoved white-knight's destination (before that, the black queen was entirely covering that square, and double-teaming one of the adjacent black-knight covered squares), I'd been thinking that was the piece's origin (with the empty highlighted square as its destination) until I'd finally read the highlighted movelist item properly and deciphered it as Knight To King Two (done), not the (intention of) Knight To King's Bishop One. So ignore the above. Although, just to note, for the Black Queen to have even achieved that position would probably have required at least ''one'' normally-sacrificial exposure to the deadly white Q/B/R pieces guarding the obvious entry, give or take the algorithmic development of their (and the "gateway pawns"') current positions. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.99.104|141.101.99.104]] 02:00, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

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	maybe someone should put alphamove into the chess zoo simulation with each piece having their own alpha move algorithm. [[User:Aprilfoolsupdate!\|Aprilfoolsupdate!]] ([[User talk:Aprilfoolsupdate!\|talk]]) 09:08, 14 May 2025 (UTC)		maybe someone should put alphamove into the chess zoo simulation with each piece having their own alpha move algorithm. [[User:Aprilfoolsupdate!\|Aprilfoolsupdate!]] ([[User talk:Aprilfoolsupdate!\|talk]]) 09:08, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
		+	:(Didn't somebody already suggest this, ages ago? Maybe I dreampt that!) Chess Zoo deliberately has zero chances of pieces taking other pieces, so you could simulate white and black's options on their own without having to respect each other's turns. But you would have to still work out if it's "simultaneous chess", every piece is autonomous and always has a choice of move, per 'game tick', or (like "sequential chess") the AlphaMove algorithm chooses the one move of ''all'' pieces' possible moves that it will make. And, because the zoo-board is much bigger than 8x8, the coordinate-square names could favour particular pieces; unless you use different coordinates according to the practical limits of a given piece-'class' (small for the pawn-enclosures, larger for the 'royal' king/queen areas) or even overlapping bounds (in the case of the rook/bishop/knight ones), in which case other alphanumeric spreads apply. So several decisions need to be applied to ''how'' AlphaMove applies to the ChessZoo 'board', or 'boards'.
		+	:Might be easier to apply to something like [[839: Explorers]], though. See if the on-ship conflict can ever be resolved? [[Special:Contributions/172.70.91.182\|172.70.91.182]] 13:31, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

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	also invoked in chesszoo simulation. --[[User:Bb777\|hi]] ([[User talk:Bb777\|talk]]) 01:40, 24 March 2025 (UTC)		also invoked in chesszoo simulation. --[[User:Bb777\|hi]] ([[User talk:Bb777\|talk]]) 01:40, 24 March 2025 (UTC)
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		+	maybe someone should put alphamove into the chess zoo simulation with each piece having their own alpha move algorithm. [[User:Aprilfoolsupdate!\|Aprilfoolsupdate!]] ([[User talk:Aprilfoolsupdate!\|talk]]) 09:08, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

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	Is there any series of moves to be checkmated by alphamove?[[User:799571388\|799571388]] ([[User talk:799571388\|talk]]) 11:34, 14 February 2025 (UTC)		Is there any series of moves to be checkmated by alphamove?[[User:799571388\|799571388]] ([[User talk:799571388\|talk]]) 11:34, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
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		+	also invoked in chesszoo simulation. --[[User:Bb777\|hi]] ([[User talk:Bb777\|talk]]) 01:40, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

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	This comic reminds me of suckerpinch's "Elo World" video, where he made a whole bunch of similarly single-minded chess engines and ranked them against each other. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpXy041BIlA - If I recall correctly there was an alphabet-based one but it picked the first result rather than the middle result. [[Special:Contributions/172.68.23.136\|172.68.23.136]] 01:01, 11 February 2025 (UTC)		This comic reminds me of suckerpinch's "Elo World" video, where he made a whole bunch of similarly single-minded chess engines and ranked them against each other. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpXy041BIlA - If I recall correctly there was an alphabet-based one but it picked the first result rather than the middle result. [[Special:Contributions/172.68.23.136\|172.68.23.136]] 01:01, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
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		+	Is there any series of moves to be checkmated by alphamove?[[User:799571388\|799571388]] ([[User talk:799571388\|talk]]) 11:34, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

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	: But, in any given board position, the lower-case letters tend to be pawns with (initially) two possible moves, generally just one move, ''maybe'' up to four (a first-move pawn given 1/2-step forward options ''and'' given two different options to capture away from its current file, where near-neighbour pawns require the disambiguation to be used) A queen can (where not restrained, until (possible capturing whilst) hitting the edge-of-board) have 28 moves (seven positions front/back, seven left/right, similar on the two diagonals). Rooks and Bishops might have 14 move-to positions. The kNight might have up to 8 'landing spots'. Initially, apart from the kNight with two moves, they of course have no opportunity to do anything. As the game develops, though, whatever you prior preconceived 'median' might be, in the alphabetically-sorted list, the gaining (by gaining opportunity to move) eand losing (by a piece being capture) adjusts the move-state's 'middle' of all valid-moves up and down the alphabet. Probably never as far as an unambiguous pawn-capture, or a first-file pawn move (or disambiguated capture from that positions), but it'll change a lot.		: But, in any given board position, the lower-case letters tend to be pawns with (initially) two possible moves, generally just one move, ''maybe'' up to four (a first-move pawn given 1/2-step forward options ''and'' given two different options to capture away from its current file, where near-neighbour pawns require the disambiguation to be used) A queen can (where not restrained, until (possible capturing whilst) hitting the edge-of-board) have 28 moves (seven positions front/back, seven left/right, similar on the two diagonals). Rooks and Bishops might have 14 move-to positions. The kNight might have up to 8 'landing spots'. Initially, apart from the kNight with two moves, they of course have no opportunity to do anything. As the game develops, though, whatever you prior preconceived 'median' might be, in the alphabetically-sorted list, the gaining (by gaining opportunity to move) eand losing (by a piece being capture) adjusts the move-state's 'middle' of all valid-moves up and down the alphabet. Probably never as far as an unambiguous pawn-capture, or a first-file pawn move (or disambiguated capture from that positions), but it'll change a lot.
	: How to concisely explain this, I don't know. Especially as I'm just running off the various possibilities off the top of my head, and might have forgotten some of the 'algebraic' notation's subtleties. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.33.252\|162.158.33.252]] 15:48, 4 February 2025 (UTC)		: How to concisely explain this, I don't know. Especially as I'm just running off the various possibilities off the top of my head, and might have forgotten some of the 'algebraic' notation's subtleties. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.33.252\|162.158.33.252]] 15:48, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
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		+	This comic reminds me of suckerpinch's "Elo World" video, where he made a whole bunch of similarly single-minded chess engines and ranked them against each other. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpXy041BIlA - If I recall correctly there was an alphabet-based one but it picked the first result rather than the middle result. [[Special:Contributions/172.68.23.136\|172.68.23.136]] 01:01, 11 February 2025 (UTC)