Talk:3064: Lungfish - Revision history

172.71.178.157 at 10:08, 20 March 2025

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172.69.195.179 at 11:16, 19 March 2025

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F beer at 07:51, 19 March 2025

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Hkmaly at 02:47, 19 March 2025

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DollarStoreBa'al at 19:16, 18 March 2025

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172.68.186.101 at 16:17, 18 March 2025

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172.71.241.51 at 16:17, 18 March 2025

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IMSoP: append a comment about the word "append"

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append a comment about the word "append"

ProphetZarquon: /* Anecdotes */ also 5etools (9).json

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‎Anecdotes: also 5etools (9).json

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	Hi chat, we got a new undiscovered xkcd page to talk about: [[Dot]]. Any info would be helpful. [[User:CalibansCreations\|'''<span style="color:#ff0000;">Caliban</span>''']] ([[User talk:CalibansCreations\|talk]]) 16:52, 17 March 2025 (UTC)		Hi chat, we got a new undiscovered xkcd page to talk about: [[Dot]]. Any info would be helpful. [[User:CalibansCreations\|'''<span style="color:#ff0000;">Caliban</span>''']] ([[User talk:CalibansCreations\|talk]]) 16:52, 17 March 2025 (UTC)
		+	:It's a flashing dot.[[Special:Contributions/172.71.178.157\|172.71.178.157]] 10:08, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

	"a common issue when coding" or it could be just editing a doc, a picture, a video, etc.[[Special:Contributions/172.71.151.21\|172.71.151.21]] 17:09, 17 March 2025 (UTC)		"a common issue when coding" or it could be just editing a doc, a picture, a video, etc.[[Special:Contributions/172.71.151.21\|172.71.151.21]] 17:09, 17 March 2025 (UTC)

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	::{{w\|Von Neumann architecture}} makes clear distinction between program and data. Biological organism don't. Sure, by [[3056: RNA]] it would seem DNA being mostly static data makes more sense, but the distinction is just not clear. -- [[User:Hkmaly\|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly\|talk]]) 02:47, 19 March 2025 (UTC)		::{{w\|Von Neumann architecture}} makes clear distinction between program and data. Biological organism don't. Sure, by [[3056: RNA]] it would seem DNA being mostly static data makes more sense, but the distinction is just not clear. -- [[User:Hkmaly\|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly\|talk]]) 02:47, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
		+	:::In one of my own constructed (virtually emulated) programming environments, I ensured that there was no differentiation between opcodes, parameters ''or'' data. Any particular quarter-byte/half-nibble that the program pointer pointed at could be read as a valid instruction. The requisite parameters to that code was what immediately followed, being pointers (''anywhere'' in the array of quarter-bytes, inclusive of over the current opcode or its parameters), to the data that the operation operated upon.
		+	:::(A useful debugging method (assuming you were trying to hand-craft something that worked just right, without (overly) corrupting its own code), or just entertainment (using deliberately bad code, or even starting with just random noise and seeing whether some consistent abstract form emerged from successive iterations), was to give bits that got prodded as instruction a red hue, bits that was prodded as param would gain green and bits accessed as data got the blue colour component. Which would mix into a useful matrix of all eight '3-bit colours', from black (never used) to white (fulfilled all three roles). Or, with a 'colour-decay' process (e.g. 24-bit colour, prodding gives the given colour channel the value 255, each n-ticks all the non-zero colour-bytes are decremented by one), a dynamic ongoing process could be observed. Though not ''necessarily'' understood, admitedly!)
		+	:::It was not lost on me that D(/R)NA is also essentially quarter-byte per base-pair (though, of course, it actually does most of its more obvious work grouped in codons, i.e. 6-bit before you add in other biological complexities), nor that I was indeed folding this 'toy' environment into some of my slightly less serious attempts at 'genetic programming' (additive reproduction/recombination really had to be externally mediated to make it 'useful', along the lines of the more advanced forms of Darwinian Poetry in all respects but the fitness-evaluation). I really should revisit this whole project, now that you remind me. I can probably do more with it than I was able to 30 years ago. As well as learning a few more biology/coding tips and tricks, in passing, since then. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.43.240\|172.69.43.240]] 12:08, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

	Anyone know how to add categories? If so, I can handle those. --[[User:DollarStoreBa'al\|DollarStoreBa'al]] ([[User talk:DollarStoreBa'al\|talk]]) 16:25, 17 March 2025 (UTC)		Anyone know how to add categories? If so, I can handle those. --[[User:DollarStoreBa'al\|DollarStoreBa'al]] ([[User talk:DollarStoreBa'al\|talk]]) 16:25, 17 March 2025 (UTC)

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 Somewhat related, is is quite common for someone to have filenames like "Thesis (final)", "Thesis (really final)", "Thesis (really really final)" (instead of "Thesis" it might be "Presentation"). I have just checked the RCS log of my MSc Thesis: the 2.16 version was the final, but then there were the 3.1 and 3.2, which were the correction of two typos. [[User:Rps|Rps]] ([[User talk:Rps|talk]]) 18:48, 17 March 2025 (UTC)
 :Using words like "Final" is optimism. So is "Newest". Version numbers and dates are the correct way to name things. -- [[User:Hkmaly|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly|talk]]) 02:47, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
 Anybody else notice that the science in this one is completely incorrect? I added a note, but I'm curious why the comic doesn't instead mention something like Trichomonas or rice/cotton/bread wheat, which actually *do* feature widespread gene duplication [[User:tofudragon7]]

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	April fool's comic is coming soon and I simply can't wait. [[User:DollarStoreBa'al\|DollarStoreBa'al]] ([[User talk:DollarStoreBa'al\|talk]]) 19:16, 18 March 2025 (UTC)		April fool's comic is coming soon and I simply can't wait. [[User:DollarStoreBa'al\|DollarStoreBa'al]] ([[User talk:DollarStoreBa'al\|talk]]) 19:16, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
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		+	It may be a coincidence, but just recently genetically modified wolly mice were born, and now Randal writes a comic about genetic manipulation. Is there a connection between these two? [[User:F beer\|F beer]] ([[User talk:F beer\|talk]]) 07:51, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

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 :Agreed. I'd say RNA sequences seem more like the program that builds life, to me?
 :[[User:ProphetZarquon|ProphetZarquon]] ([[User talk:ProphetZarquon|talk]]) 15:02, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
 Anyone know how to add categories? If so, I can handle those. --[[User:DollarStoreBa&#39;al|DollarStoreBa&#39;al]] ([[User talk:DollarStoreBa&#39;al|talk]]) 16:25, 17 March 2025 (UTC)
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 Somewhat related, is is quite common for someone to have filenames like "Thesis (final)", "Thesis (really final)", "Thesis (really really final)" (instead of "Thesis" it might be "Presentation"). I have just checked the RCS log of my MSc Thesis: the 2.16 version was the final, but then there were the 3.1 and 3.2, which were the correction of two typos. [[User:Rps|Rps]] ([[User talk:Rps|talk]]) 18:48, 17 March 2025 (UTC)
 Anybody else notice that the science in this one is completely incorrect? I added a note, but I'm curious why the comic doesn't instead mention something like Trichomonas or rice/cotton/bread wheat, which actually *do* feature widespread gene duplication [[User:tofudragon7]]

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	Anecdotes: I've got both "5etools (3).json (16)" & "5etools (9).json" on my phone ''right now.'' [[User:ProphetZarquon\|ProphetZarquon]] ([[User talk:ProphetZarquon\|talk]]) 15:07, 18 March 2025 (UTC)		Anecdotes: I've got both "5etools (3).json (16)" & "5etools (9).json" on my phone ''right now.'' [[User:ProphetZarquon\|ProphetZarquon]] ([[User talk:ProphetZarquon\|talk]]) 15:07, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
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		+	April fool's comic is coming soon and I simply can't wait. [[User:DollarStoreBa'al\|DollarStoreBa'al]] ([[User talk:DollarStoreBa'al\|talk]]) 19:16, 18 March 2025 (UTC)

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	::: 'add to the start' is still better from a Plain English/Thing Explainer perspective, though.[[Special:Contributions/172.71.241.51\|172.71.241.51]] 16:17, 18 March 2025 (UTC)		::: 'add to the start' is still better from a Plain English/Thing Explainer perspective, though.[[Special:Contributions/172.71.241.51\|172.71.241.51]] 16:17, 18 March 2025 (UTC)

−	== Anecdotes ==	+	Anecdotes: I've got both "5etools (3).json (16)" & "5etools (9).json" on my phone ''right now.'' [[User:ProphetZarquon\|ProphetZarquon]] ([[User talk:ProphetZarquon\|talk]]) 15:07, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
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−	I've got both "5etools (3).json (16)" & "5etools (9).json" on my phone ''right now.''
−	[[User:ProphetZarquon\|ProphetZarquon]] ([[User talk:ProphetZarquon\|talk]]) 15:07, 18 March 2025 (UTC)

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 :: So, either "append to the start" or "prepend" is fine, I think.
 :: Or go for maximum redundancy: "prepend a prefix to the start before the existing text" :P - [[User:IMSoP|IMSoP]] ([[User talk:IMSoP|talk]]) 15:29, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
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 ''"append "Copy of" to the start of the filename"'' Append comes after. I think the word we want is "'''prepend'''". Not as familliar as append, but Google reports wide and serious usage. A further note: MS's hack ruins the idea of alphabetized filenames, all the "Copy of" in one place.  --[[User:PRR|PRR]] ([[User talk:PRR|talk]]) 21:24, 17 March 2025 (UTC)
 : I think the word we actually want is 'add', since 'prepend to the start' would be tautological.[[Special:Contributions/141.101.99.4|141.101.99.4]] 10:30, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
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-I've got "5etools (3).json (16)" on my phone ''right now.''
+I've got both "5etools (3).json (16)" & "5etools (9).json" on my phone ''right now.''
 [[User:ProphetZarquon|ProphetZarquon]] ([[User talk:ProphetZarquon|talk]]) 15:07, 18 March 2025 (UTC)