Talk:3082: Chess Position - Revision history

42.book.addict at 02:51, 26 November 2025

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FaviFake: /* Return to the Garden */

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‎Return to the Garden

174.67.238.58 at 22:23, 10 June 2025

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Tim Gent: /* Return to the Garden */ new section

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‎Return to the Garden: new section

Darth Vader at 15:56, 5 May 2025

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172.70.91.245 at 20:27, 4 May 2025

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JimJJewett: recognizing a good joke

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recognizing a good joke

172.69.79.164 at 21:08, 1 May 2025

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104.23.190.20: kasparov and deep blue

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kasparov and deep blue

Somdudewillson at 19:11, 30 April 2025

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 :I believe you want lower-case Pi: π not Π. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi_(film)  --[[User:PRR|PRR]] ([[User talk:PRR|talk]]) 22:54, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
 ::Unless they're talking about an obscure spinoff where the protagonist becomes weirdly obsessed with the products of sequences of numbers. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.195.180|172.69.195.180]] 14:47, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
-:::Which, for xkcd, is ... indeed plausible. {{unsigned|JimJJewett|15:33, 4 May 2025}}
+:::Which, for xkcd, is ... indeed plausible. {{unsigned|JimJJewett|15:33, 4 May 2025 (UTC)}}
 Does anybody know whether Randall has taken up chess as a hobby? 5 of the 82 comics in the 3000s have been related to chess and only 2 in the 2000s were. If so, this should be included in the explanation. [[User:BobcatInABox|BobcatInABox]] ([[User talk:BobcatInABox|talk]]) 23:11, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
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 Now suppose someone discovers by accident or design a pattern on the chessboard that is more than displeasing, an alien pattern that tells unspeakable things about the mind of the player, man in general and the order of the universe. Suppose no normal man can look at such a pattern and remain normal. Surely such a pattern must have been formed by Von Goom’s Gambit.
-I wish the story could end here, but I fear it will not end for a long time. History has shown that discoveries cannot be unmade. Two months ago in Camden, New Jersey, a forty-tliree year old man was found turned to stone staring at a position on a chessboard... {{unsigned ip|162.158.217.38|05:22, 29 April 2025}}
+I wish the story could end here, but I fear it will not end for a long time. History has shown that discoveries cannot be unmade. Two months ago in Camden, New Jersey, a forty-tliree year old man was found turned to stone staring at a position on a chessboard... {{unsigned ip|162.158.217.38|05:22, 29 April 2025 (UTC)}}
 : ''"Cf Von Goom's Gambit"''  https://archive.org/details/Fantasy_Science_Fiction_v031n06_1966-12_PDF/page/n63/mode/2up?view=theater  --[[User:PRR|PRR]] ([[User talk:PRR|talk]]) 17:46, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
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 <q>When you stare into the vortex, the vortex also stares into you</q>, a famous quote from Kasparov. [[User:Ralfoide|Ralfoide]] ([[User talk:Ralfoide|talk]]) 17:49, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
-If I may, can we find a position that would match Cueball's description? Where he states "every move attacked every piece, yet every piece was also protected,"? That would be cool. {{unsigned ip|172.69.33.220|20:26, 29 April 2025}}
+If I may, can we find a position that would match Cueball's description? Where he states "every move attacked every piece, yet every piece was also protected,"? That would be cool. {{unsigned ip|172.69.33.220|20:26, 29 April 2025 (UTC)}}
 Why is karpov mentioned in the explanation? I assume more chess comics as chess has grown in popularity to answer the above question. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.91.160|172.70.91.160]] 22:19, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
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 This reminds me of a story I heard about Kasparov, please feel free to fact check.
-Kasparov was playing Deep Blue, the top chess playing computer at the time. Apparently, Deep Blue had a glitch, and made a legal but unreasonable move. Kasparov did not know it was a computer mistake, and looked for meaning in the move. Unable to find a reason behind the move, Kasparov was "thrown off his game" suspecting that the computer was trying something he could not figure out. This lead to a stalemate in that game, and ended up being the turning point between the matches between Kasparov and Deep Blue. {{unsigned ip|104.23.190.20|18:43, 1 May 2025}}
+Kasparov was playing Deep Blue, the top chess playing computer at the time. Apparently, Deep Blue had a glitch, and made a legal but unreasonable move. Kasparov did not know it was a computer mistake, and looked for meaning in the move. Unable to find a reason behind the move, Kasparov was "thrown off his game" suspecting that the computer was trying something he could not figure out. This lead to a stalemate in that game, and ended up being the turning point between the matches between Kasparov and Deep Blue. {{unsigned ip|104.23.190.20|18:43, 1 May 2025 (UTC)}}
 Personally I don't think it absurd to move the f-pawn in the opening as mentioned in the explanation (Kings gambit, Vienna gambit, Dutch defence, etc. are all respected openings which move the f-pawn early)--[[User:Darth Vader|Darth Vader]] ([[User talk:Darth Vader|talk]]) 15:56, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
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 Personally I don't think it absurd to move the f-pawn in the opening as mentioned in the explanation (Kings gambit, Vienna gambit, Dutch defence, etc. are all respected openings which move the f-pawn early)--[[User:Darth Vader|Darth Vader]] ([[User talk:Darth Vader|talk]]) 15:56, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
-== Return to the Garden ==
 There are strong vibes here of the idea of a garden you stumble across but can never return to. I can't put my finger on which though its pretty common in literature and philosophy. Obviously the Garden of Eden and the Secret Garden. But in this case maybe something in Calvino's Invisible Cities or Borges' Garden of Forking Paths? [[User:Tim Gent|Tim Gent]] ([[User talk:Tim Gent|talk]]) 07:56, 6 May 2025 (UTC) Tim Gent

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	There are strong vibes here of the idea of a garden you stumble across but can never return to. I can't put my finger on which though its pretty common in literature and philosophy. Obviously the Garden of Eden and the Secret Garden. But in this case maybe something in Calvino's Invisible Cities or Borges' Garden of Forking Paths? [[User:Tim Gent\|Tim Gent]] ([[User talk:Tim Gent\|talk]]) 07:56, 6 May 2025 (UTC) Tim Gent		There are strong vibes here of the idea of a garden you stumble across but can never return to. I can't put my finger on which though its pretty common in literature and philosophy. Obviously the Garden of Eden and the Secret Garden. But in this case maybe something in Calvino's Invisible Cities or Borges' Garden of Forking Paths? [[User:Tim Gent\|Tim Gent]] ([[User talk:Tim Gent\|talk]]) 07:56, 6 May 2025 (UTC) Tim Gent
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		+	The fractal appearance is a common kind of "form constant" that may be seen/visualized/perceived/imagined in altered states of consciousness. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Form_constant.
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		+	In some people, these experiences can be induced by specific, but relatively mundane, situations. A simple doubt can send someone spiraling "into the abyss" or "into the vortex", as happens here.
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		+	I doubt the comic is a direct reference to any of the works mentioned above, because this is a fairly general human experience, albeit quite uncommon. The wealth and breadth of references above should prove that point. I suppose it could be a parody of these other works, considering the title text's similarity in theme to a common quote from Nietzsche: "He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you". It could also be based on Randall's own experience, with some inspiration taken from other works.
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		+	An approximate description of what's happening psychologically is offered by Jung, albeit in his own jargon. See paragraph 493-496 (pp. 277-278) of Collected Works, Vol 9, Part 1. https://archive.org/details/collected-works-of-c.-g.-jung-v-9-1-archetypes-and-the-collective-unconscious-c.-g.-jung
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		+	To put what Jung says bluntly, this is what a brush with insanity is like. Lesser forms are common, and more severe forms are well-documented. Inevitably the experience is hard to grasp by anyone else unless they've experienced it to a similar degree themselves.
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		+	re: 162.158.217.38's comment, sitting motionless and staring blankly at the chessboard is a form of catatonia, which is a possible consequence of these altered states of consciousness. It can also feel like everything is new and unfamiliar, i.e. Jamais vu. Cueball seems to experience the latter. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamais_vu [[Special:Contributions/174.67.238.58\|174.67.238.58]] 22:23, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

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	Personally I don't think it absurd to move the f-pawn in the opening as mentioned in the explanation (Kings gambit, Vienna gambit, Dutch defence, etc. are all respected openings which move the f-pawn early)--[[User:Darth Vader\|Darth Vader]] ([[User talk:Darth Vader\|talk]]) 15:56, 5 May 2025 (UTC)		Personally I don't think it absurd to move the f-pawn in the opening as mentioned in the explanation (Kings gambit, Vienna gambit, Dutch defence, etc. are all respected openings which move the f-pawn early)--[[User:Darth Vader\|Darth Vader]] ([[User talk:Darth Vader\|talk]]) 15:56, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
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		+	== Return to the Garden ==
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		+	There are strong vibes here of the idea of a garden you stumble across but can never return to. I can't put my finger on which though its pretty common in literature and philosophy. Obviously the Garden of Eden and the Secret Garden. But in this case maybe something in Calvino's Invisible Cities or Borges' Garden of Forking Paths? [[User:Tim Gent\|Tim Gent]] ([[User talk:Tim Gent\|talk]]) 07:56, 6 May 2025 (UTC) Tim Gent

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	This reminds me of a story I heard about Kasparov, please feel free to fact check.		This reminds me of a story I heard about Kasparov, please feel free to fact check.
	Kasparov was playing Deep Blue, the top chess playing computer at the time. Apparently, Deep Blue had a glitch, and made a legal but unreasonable move. Kasparov did not know it was a computer mistake, and looked for meaning in the move. Unable to find a reason behind the move, Kasparov was "thrown off his game" suspecting that the computer was trying something he could not figure out. This lead to a stalemate in that game, and ended up being the turning point between the matches between Kasparov and Deep Blue. {{unsigned ip\|104.23.190.20\|18:43, 1 May 2025}}		Kasparov was playing Deep Blue, the top chess playing computer at the time. Apparently, Deep Blue had a glitch, and made a legal but unreasonable move. Kasparov did not know it was a computer mistake, and looked for meaning in the move. Unable to find a reason behind the move, Kasparov was "thrown off his game" suspecting that the computer was trying something he could not figure out. This lead to a stalemate in that game, and ended up being the turning point between the matches between Kasparov and Deep Blue. {{unsigned ip\|104.23.190.20\|18:43, 1 May 2025}}
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		+	Personally I don't think it absurd to move the f-pawn in the opening as mentioned in the explanation (Kings gambit, Vienna gambit, Dutch defence, etc. are all respected openings which move the f-pawn early)--[[User:Darth Vader\|Darth Vader]] ([[User talk:Darth Vader\|talk]]) 15:56, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

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	This reminds me of a story I heard about Kasparov, please feel free to fact check.		This reminds me of a story I heard about Kasparov, please feel free to fact check.
−	Kasparov was playing Deep Blue, the top chess playing computer at the time. Apparently, Deep Blue had a glitch, and made a legal but unreasonable move. Kasparov did not know it was a computer mistake, and looked for meaning in the move. Unable to find a reason behind the move, Kasparov was "thrown off his game" suspecting that the computer was trying something he could not figure out. This lead to a stalemate in that game, and ended up being the turning point between the matches between Kasparov and Deep Blue.	+	Kasparov was playing Deep Blue, the top chess playing computer at the time. Apparently, Deep Blue had a glitch, and made a legal but unreasonable move. Kasparov did not know it was a computer mistake, and looked for meaning in the move. Unable to find a reason behind the move, Kasparov was "thrown off his game" suspecting that the computer was trying something he could not figure out. This lead to a stalemate in that game, and ended up being the turning point between the matches between Kasparov and Deep Blue. {{unsigned ip\|104.23.190.20\|18:43, 1 May 2025}}

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	"The fact that an apparent distortion in the fabric of space can be countered with a single pawn just adds to the absurdity of the situation." - I'm fairly certain the idea is not that this chess position alters reality somehow, but that it is cognitohazardous - i.e. perceiving this particular board configuration interacts with the brain's learned pattern recognition for chess in a deleterious way. An 'adversarial example' for a human brain instead of a neural network. [[User:Somdudewillson\|Somdudewillson]] ([[User talk:Somdudewillson\|talk]]) 19:11, 30 April 2025 (UTC)		"The fact that an apparent distortion in the fabric of space can be countered with a single pawn just adds to the absurdity of the situation." - I'm fairly certain the idea is not that this chess position alters reality somehow, but that it is cognitohazardous - i.e. perceiving this particular board configuration interacts with the brain's learned pattern recognition for chess in a deleterious way. An 'adversarial example' for a human brain instead of a neural network. [[User:Somdudewillson\|Somdudewillson]] ([[User talk:Somdudewillson\|talk]]) 19:11, 30 April 2025 (UTC)
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		+	This reminds me of a story I heard about Kasparov, please feel free to fact check.
		+	Kasparov was playing Deep Blue, the top chess playing computer at the time. Apparently, Deep Blue had a glitch, and made a legal but unreasonable move. Kasparov did not know it was a computer mistake, and looked for meaning in the move. Unable to find a reason behind the move, Kasparov was "thrown off his game" suspecting that the computer was trying something he could not figure out. This lead to a stalemate in that game, and ended up being the turning point between the matches between Kasparov and Deep Blue.

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	Might've been romanticizing disregard for the meta. ''"It's funner to not keep score"'' thinking. Heavy ''"I don't want to play chess anymore"'' it's-better-than-chess romanticizing. --[[Special:Contributions/172.68.35.116\|172.68.35.116]] 14:24, 30 April 2025 (UTC)		Might've been romanticizing disregard for the meta. ''"It's funner to not keep score"'' thinking. Heavy ''"I don't want to play chess anymore"'' it's-better-than-chess romanticizing. --[[Special:Contributions/172.68.35.116\|172.68.35.116]] 14:24, 30 April 2025 (UTC)
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		+	"The fact that an apparent distortion in the fabric of space can be countered with a single pawn just adds to the absurdity of the situation." - I'm fairly certain the idea is not that this chess position alters reality somehow, but that it is cognitohazardous - i.e. perceiving this particular board configuration interacts with the brain's learned pattern recognition for chess in a deleterious way. An 'adversarial example' for a human brain instead of a neural network. [[User:Somdudewillson\|Somdudewillson]] ([[User talk:Somdudewillson\|talk]]) 19:11, 30 April 2025 (UTC)