Talk:3104: Tukey - Revision history

92.23.2.208: Undo revision 402332 by TheusafBOT (talk) I'm guessing this got hit by an anti-spam feature.... Will this fudge work for the original poster?

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Undo revision 402332 by TheusafBOT (talk) I'm guessing this got hit by an anti-spam feature.... Will this fudge work for the original poster?

TheusafBOT: Reverted edit 402331 by 2001:4C4E:1C08:BC00:41F9:90A:BF7A:1727 to 380242

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Reverted edit 402331 by 2001:4C4E:1C08:BC00:41F9:90A:BF7A:1727 to 380242

2001:4C4E:1C08:BC00:41F9:90A:BF7A:1727: Planck time!!

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Planck time!!

92.23.2.228 at 17:01, 23 June 2025

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155.190.35.5 at 14:58, 23 June 2025

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82.13.184.33 at 11:40, 20 June 2025

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199.241.132.8: added comment

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added comment

2600:4041:2E5:B900:4331:7A73:2A81:46AE: commenting what I think the joke is

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commenting what I think the joke is

82.13.184.33 at 15:57, 19 June 2025

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134.102.219.31: Further example of age differences

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Further example of age differences

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 Two persons born the same day can have an age difference of almost 50 hours, if person A was born at 0:00 on {{w|Line Islands}} and person B at 23:59:59 on {{w|Howland Island}} or {{w|Baker Island}} (the latter two are currently uninhabited, however). Yes, measuring time of birth with second precision is debatable ... --[[Special:Contributions/134.102.219.31|134.102.219.31]] 14:52, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
 : Or if one of them was accelerated to close to the speed of light for a sufficiently long journey. [[Special:Contributions/82.13.184.33|82.13.184.33]] 15:57, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
+:Arbitrarily close (possibly up to Planck time) to 50 hours (180,000 s). If B were born 1 qs (10<sup>&minus;30</sup> s, i. e. a nonillionth of a second) before the next day on any of these islands, that is a distance of 179,999.99[+28 more '9's] s (but again, measuring time of birth with this precision is probably impossible to say the least, but anything beyond second (maybe .1 second) precision has outstandingly high probability of being perfectly capable to identify 1 person). A Planck time is c. 5.3×10<sup>&minus;44</sup> s. If someone were born exactly (up to a distance of ''t''<sub>P</sub>) on midnight, one may have some trouble to determine which day the birthday is. [[Special:Contributions/2001:4C4E:1C08:BC00:41F9:90A:BF7A:1727|2001:4C4E:1C08:BC00:41F9:90A:BF7A:1727]] 20:18, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
 One of my favourite XKCD comics yet [[no name|no name]] 19:35, 19 June 2025 (EST)

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 Two persons born the same day can have an age difference of almost 50 hours, if person A was born at 0:00 on {{w|Line Islands}} and person B at 23:59:59 on {{w|Howland Island}} or {{w|Baker Island}} (the latter two are currently uninhabited, however). Yes, measuring time of birth with second precision is debatable ... --[[Special:Contributions/134.102.219.31|134.102.219.31]] 14:52, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
 : Or if one of them was accelerated to close to the speed of light for a sufficiently long journey. [[Special:Contributions/82.13.184.33|82.13.184.33]] 15:57, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
-:Arbitrarily close (possibly up to Planck time) to 50 hours (180,000 s). If B were born 1 qs (10<sup>&minus;30</sup> s, i. e. a nonillionth of a second) before the next day on any of these islands, that is a distance of 179,999.999999999999999999999999999999 s (but again, measuring time of birth with this precision is probably impossible to say the least, but anything beyond second (maybe .1 second) precision has outstandingly high probability of being perfectly capable to identify 1 person). A Planck time is c. 5.3×10<sup>&minus;44</sup> s. If someone were born exactly (up to a distance of ''t''<sub>P</sub>) on midnight, one may have some trouble to determine which day the birthday is. [[Special:Contributions/2001:4C4E:1C08:BC00:41F9:90A:BF7A:1727|2001:4C4E:1C08:BC00:41F9:90A:BF7A:1727]] 20:18, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
 One of my favourite XKCD comics yet [[no name|no name]] 19:35, 19 June 2025 (EST)

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 Two persons born the same day can have an age difference of almost 50 hours, if person A was born at 0:00 on {{w|Line Islands}} and person B at 23:59:59 on {{w|Howland Island}} or {{w|Baker Island}} (the latter two are currently uninhabited, however). Yes, measuring time of birth with second precision is debatable ... --[[Special:Contributions/134.102.219.31|134.102.219.31]] 14:52, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
 : Or if one of them was accelerated to close to the speed of light for a sufficiently long journey. [[Special:Contributions/82.13.184.33|82.13.184.33]] 15:57, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
+:Arbitrarily close (possibly up to Planck time) to 50 hours (180,000 s). If B were born 1 qs (10<sup>&minus;30</sup> s, i. e. a nonillionth of a second) before the next day on any of these islands, that is a distance of 179,999.999999999999999999999999999999 s (but again, measuring time of birth with this precision is probably impossible to say the least, but anything beyond second (maybe .1 second) precision has outstandingly high probability of being perfectly capable to identify 1 person). A Planck time is c. 5.3×10<sup>&minus;44</sup> s. If someone were born exactly (up to a distance of ''t''<sub>P</sub>) on midnight, one may have some trouble to determine which day the birthday is. [[Special:Contributions/2001:4C4E:1C08:BC00:41F9:90A:BF7A:1727|2001:4C4E:1C08:BC00:41F9:90A:BF7A:1727]] 20:18, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
 One of my favourite XKCD comics yet [[no name|no name]] 19:35, 19 June 2025 (EST)

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	I'm having trouble parsing that Tukey quote. What can always be made more precise? [[Special:Contributions/155.190.35.5\|155.190.35.5]] 14:58, 23 June 2025 (UTC)		I'm having trouble parsing that Tukey quote. What can always be made more precise? [[Special:Contributions/155.190.35.5\|155.190.35.5]] 14:58, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
		+	:At it's core "It is far better to have 'an approximate answer to the right question' than 'an exact answer to the wrong question'."
		+	:The former is being said to be often vague (given that we already know "the answer" is approximate, I'm reading that as "the question"). It is suggested that the latter can always be made made more precise (similarly, by my reading it's not the answer, which is already exact, but the question, which was wrong).
		+	:But noting that "precise" and "exact" don't necessarily mean the same thing. Compare precision and accuracy (or possibly vice-versa). It'd be nice to know the surrounding context, as per the speaker's field and conventional use of language, to narrow down what is supposed to mean what... assuming I'm even asking the right question in the first place! [[Special:Contributions/92.23.2.228\|92.23.2.228]] 17:01, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

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	One of my favourite XKCD comics yet [[no name\|no name]] 19:35, 19 June 2025 (EST)		One of my favourite XKCD comics yet [[no name\|no name]] 19:35, 19 June 2025 (EST)
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		+	I'm having trouble parsing that Tukey quote. What can always be made more precise? [[Special:Contributions/155.190.35.5\|155.190.35.5]] 14:58, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

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 :: Maybe they live in that country mentioned in [[3102|the alt text of two comics ago]]. [[Special:Contributions/2601:647:8500:1E09:D4EE:315E:E684:A802|2601:647:8500:1E09:D4EE:315E:E684:A802]] 02:13, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
 ::: yes {facepalm}. I think I'll find I need to increase font size everywhere yet again so that "." Looks different from "," because I read 110 thousand and not the correct of 110 point 000. Not sure if the joke is different and is funny either way. It's ibuprofen* getting old but Saul Goodman because of the alternative. [[Special:Contributions/2607:FB91:164E:4264:ACA5:3DBE:8045:7E6B|2607:FB91:164E:4264:ACA5:3DBE:8045:7E6B]] 05:55, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
 ::: * Spellcheck suggested "ibuprofen." I don't know why or what I typed to.   Love you [[Special:Contributions/2607:FB91:164E:4264:ACA5:3DBE:8045:7E6B|2607:FB91:164E:4264:ACA5:3DBE:8045:7E6B]] 06:00, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
 The one day difference is probably because of the rules of leap years.  Most century years (like 1800, 1900, 2100) do not have a leap year, but 2000 did have a leap year.  Leap year placement is done to approximate Earth's ratio of 365.2422 days per year.  Oh, wait.  Tukey (1915-2000) and Randall (1984-2094) both lived through the 2000 leap year.  So it must just be because Randall was born shortly after Feb 29 of 1984, whereas Tukey was born shortly before Feb 29 of 1916.  So Tukey would have had 28 leap days vs. Randall's 27 leap days on their 110 year birthdays. [[Special:Contributions/134.134.139.69|134.134.139.69]] 21:09, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

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	Two persons born the same day can have an age difference of almost 50 hours, if person A was born at 0:00 on {{w\|Line Islands}} and person B at 23:59:59 on {{w\|Howland Island}} or {{w\|Baker Island}} (the latter two are currently uninhabited, however). Yes, measuring time of birth with second precision is debatable ... --[[Special:Contributions/134.102.219.31\|134.102.219.31]] 14:52, 19 June 2025 (UTC)		Two persons born the same day can have an age difference of almost 50 hours, if person A was born at 0:00 on {{w\|Line Islands}} and person B at 23:59:59 on {{w\|Howland Island}} or {{w\|Baker Island}} (the latter two are currently uninhabited, however). Yes, measuring time of birth with second precision is debatable ... --[[Special:Contributions/134.102.219.31\|134.102.219.31]] 14:52, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
	: Or if one of them was accelerated to close to the speed of light for a sufficiently long journey. [[Special:Contributions/82.13.184.33\|82.13.184.33]] 15:57, 19 June 2025 (UTC)		: Or if one of them was accelerated to close to the speed of light for a sufficiently long journey. [[Special:Contributions/82.13.184.33\|82.13.184.33]] 15:57, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
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	Two persons born the same day can have an age difference of almost 50 hours, if person A was born at 0:00 on {{w\|Line Islands}} and person B at 23:59:59 on {{w\|Howland Island}} or {{w\|Baker Island}} (the latter two are currently uninhabited, however). Yes, measuring time of birth with second precision is debatable ... --[[Special:Contributions/134.102.219.31\|134.102.219.31]] 14:52, 19 June 2025 (UTC)		Two persons born the same day can have an age difference of almost 50 hours, if person A was born at 0:00 on {{w\|Line Islands}} and person B at 23:59:59 on {{w\|Howland Island}} or {{w\|Baker Island}} (the latter two are currently uninhabited, however). Yes, measuring time of birth with second precision is debatable ... --[[Special:Contributions/134.102.219.31\|134.102.219.31]] 14:52, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
		+	: Or if one of them was accelerated to close to the speed of light for a sufficiently long journey. [[Special:Contributions/82.13.184.33\|82.13.184.33]] 15:57, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

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	Tukey gave us a bit of weird nomenclature for mathematical constructs, such as a cepstrum of quefencies. He caused consternation for editors and proofreaders. (My spell-check thingee wants cepstrum to be strumpet, but I shan't change it.) [[Special:Contributions/173.188.194.66\|173.188.194.66]] 13:27, 19 June 2025 (UTC)		Tukey gave us a bit of weird nomenclature for mathematical constructs, such as a cepstrum of quefencies. He caused consternation for editors and proofreaders. (My spell-check thingee wants cepstrum to be strumpet, but I shan't change it.) [[Special:Contributions/173.188.194.66\|173.188.194.66]] 13:27, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
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		+	Two persons born the same day can have an age difference of almost 50 hours, if person A was born at 0:00 on {{w\|Line Islands}} and person B at 23:59:59 on {{w\|Howland Island}} or {{w\|Baker Island}} (the latter two are currently uninhabited, however). Yes, measuring time of birth with second precision is debatable ... --[[Special:Contributions/134.102.219.31\|134.102.219.31]] 14:52, 19 June 2025 (UTC)