Talk:3119: Flettner Rotor - Revision history

172.223.58.201 at 13:05, 5 October 2025

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2A0B:E541:E99:0:1A4D:8EA:E34D:5053 at 09:04, 27 August 2025

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FaviFake at 15:15, 26 July 2025

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80.189.28.58 at 23:13, 25 July 2025

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80.189.28.58: Added pendantic correction to Randall's use of the term "give you right of way"

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Added pendantic correction to Randall's use of the term "give you right of way"

82.13.184.33 at 16:22, 24 July 2025

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62.220.2.194 at 11:07, 24 July 2025

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46.162.122.132 at 22:25, 23 July 2025

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91.84.189.119 at 21:48, 23 July 2025

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91.84.189.119 at 21:47, 23 July 2025

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	:: The same technicality applies for cars: your "right of way" is what allows you to use a public road. You "yield your right of way" or "give way" when you encounter other traffic that has priority. [[Special:Contributions/2A0B:E541:E99:0:1A4D:8EA:E34D:5053\|2A0B:E541:E99:0:1A4D:8EA:E34D:5053]] 09:04, 27 August 2025 (UTC)		:: The same technicality applies for cars: your "right of way" is what allows you to use a public road. You "yield your right of way" or "give way" when you encounter other traffic that has priority. [[Special:Contributions/2A0B:E541:E99:0:1A4D:8EA:E34D:5053\|2A0B:E541:E99:0:1A4D:8EA:E34D:5053]] 09:04, 27 August 2025 (UTC)
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		+	<<... ''In fact, there would be no need to have a Flettner rotor at all to achieve this effect — a simple, non-rotating column with a rotating or flashing light would do just the same thing for a boat that is powered by other means, and seems a small additional effort if you're already taking the trouble to install the fake rocks and light.'' ...>> This line annoys the crap out of me. Generally, the only thing you would need would be the rotating/flashing light at the top. If there's enough light and proximity to distinguish a "''simple, non-rotating column''" then they can clearly see it's not a lighthouse. On the other hand, and the point I think Randall was probably after, if you already have a boat with a Flettner Rotor, then it's just a couple cosmetic tweaks from a lighthouse.

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	:No that's usefeul! I adde dit to the trivia section! --[[User:FaviFake\|FaviFake]] ([[User talk:FaviFake\|talk]]) 15:15, 26 July 2025 (UTC)		:No that's usefeul! I adde dit to the trivia section! --[[User:FaviFake\|FaviFake]] ([[User talk:FaviFake\|talk]]) 15:15, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
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		+	:: The same technicality applies for cars: your "right of way" is what allows you to use a public road. You "yield your right of way" or "give way" when you encounter other traffic that has priority. [[Special:Contributions/2A0B:E541:E99:0:1A4D:8EA:E34D:5053\|2A0B:E541:E99:0:1A4D:8EA:E34D:5053]] 09:04, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

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 You don't actually need the rocks to dress up as a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightship lightship], which is unfortunately not a spacecraft moving at relativistic speeds. [[Special:Contributions/90.155.35.67|90.155.35.67]] 20:01, 23 July 2025 (UTC)
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 To be even more pendantic still: under the COLREGS neither ship ever has a right of way - one ship has an obligation to give way and the other ship has an obligation to stand-on (ie. keep her current course and speed until the ships are past one another) and if the ships collide both are held responsible under maritime law. Navigators are very, very clear about drilling into their Officers of the Watch that you never have "right of way" like you would in a car and you always have many obligations under the COLREGS, including obligations to give way under certain circumstances even when you're the stand-on vessel.--[[Special:Contributions/80.189.28.58|80.189.28.58]] 23:10, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

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 Won't add it to the page because I fear it might be too insufferably pedantic - but here it is just in case! Randall is wrong to say "...give you the right of way" - this isn't how the maritime Rules of the Road work. The other vessel could *give way* to the Flettner craft - but not give it *right* of way: right of way is given by international convention (specifically the International Regulations for the Prevention of Collision at Sea (COLREGS)), not by individual ships.
-To be considerably more pendantic: you don't give way to lighthouses because they have right of way. There's nothing in maritime law (at least, not in the working knowledge a sailor would know) that explicitly says you have to give way to lighthouses. The closest thing I can think of is the STCW convention) but as far as I'm aware even that just uses phrases like "Navigate with due care" and doesn't explicitly say "give way to lighthouses".
+To be considerably more pendantic: you don't give way to lighthouses because they have right of way. There's nothing in maritime law (at least, not in the working knowledge a sailor would possess) that explicitly says you have to give way to lighthouses. The closest thing I can think of is the STCW convention but as far as I'm aware even that just uses phrases like "Navigate with due care" and doesn't explicitly say "give way to lighthouses".
 To be even more pendantic still: under the COLREGS neither ship ever has a right of way - one ship has an obligation to give way and the other ship has an obligation to stand-on (ie. keep her current course and speed until the ships are past one another) and if the ships collide both are held responsible under maritime law. Navigators are very, very clear about drilling into their Officers of the Watch that you never have "right of way" like you would in a car and you always have many obligations under the COLREGS, including obligations to give way under certain circumstances even when you're the stand-on vessel.--[[Special:Contributions/80.189.28.58|80.189.28.58]] 23:10, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

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	Ah, that's what those are on Danish ferries.[[Special:Contributions/62.220.2.194\|62.220.2.194]] 11:07, 24 July 2025 (UTC)		Ah, that's what those are on Danish ferries.[[Special:Contributions/62.220.2.194\|62.220.2.194]] 11:07, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
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		+	Won't add it to the page because I fear it might be too insufferably pedantic - but here it is just in case! Randall is wrong to say "...give you the right of way" - this isn't how the maritime Rules of the Road work. The other vessel could give way to the Flettner craft - but not give it right of way: right of way is given by international convention (specifically the International Regulations for the Prevention of Collision at Sea (COLREGS)), not by individual ships.
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		+	To be considerably more pendantic: you don't give way to lighthouses because they have right of way. There's nothing in maritime law (at least, not in the working knowledge a sailor would know) that explicitly says you have to give way to lighthouses. The closest thing I can think of is the STCW convention) but as far as I'm aware even that just uses phrases like "Navigate with due care" and doesn't explicitly say "give way to lighthouses".
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		+	To be even more pendantic still: under the COLREGS neither ship ever has a right of way - one ship has an obligation to give way and the other ship has an obligation to stand-on (ie. keep her current course and speed until the ships are past one another) and if the ships collide both are held responsible under maritime law. Navigators are very, very clear about drilling into their Officers of the Watch that you never have "right of way" like you would in a car and you always have many obligations under the COLREGS, including obligations to give way under certain circumstances even when you're the stand-on vessel.--[[Special:Contributions/80.189.28.58\|80.189.28.58]] 23:10, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

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 Not sure why there's commentary about anchored vessels - the comic doesn't reference them, nor claim that it would make _every_ vessel give you right of way? [[Special:Contributions/91.84.189.119|91.84.189.119]] 21:47, 23 July 2025 (UTC)
 Would a Flettner rotor with a truncated cone shape like in the picture actually work? [[Special:Contributions/46.162.122.132|46.162.122.132]] 22:25, 23 July 2025 (UTC)
 Ah, that's what those are on Danish ferries.[[Special:Contributions/62.220.2.194|62.220.2.194]] 11:07, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

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	Would a Flettner rotor with a truncated cone shape like in the picture actually work? [[Special:Contributions/46.162.122.132\|46.162.122.132]] 22:25, 23 July 2025 (UTC)		Would a Flettner rotor with a truncated cone shape like in the picture actually work? [[Special:Contributions/46.162.122.132\|46.162.122.132]] 22:25, 23 July 2025 (UTC)
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		+	Ah, that's what those are on Danish ferries.[[Special:Contributions/62.220.2.194\|62.220.2.194]] 11:07, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

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	Not sure why there's commentary about anchored vessels - the comic doesn't reference them, nor claim that it would make _every_ vessel give you right of way? [[Special:Contributions/91.84.189.119\|91.84.189.119]] 21:47, 23 July 2025 (UTC)		Not sure why there's commentary about anchored vessels - the comic doesn't reference them, nor claim that it would make _every_ vessel give you right of way? [[Special:Contributions/91.84.189.119\|91.84.189.119]] 21:47, 23 July 2025 (UTC)
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		+	Would a Flettner rotor with a truncated cone shape like in the picture actually work? [[Special:Contributions/46.162.122.132\|46.162.122.132]] 22:25, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

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	::(Also, top tip: note the use of the {{template\|w}} method to wikilinking it, much more efficient, in the form you might have used it, and slightly more aesthetic.) [[Special:Contributions/82.132.247.118\|82.132.247.118]] 21:01, 23 July 2025 (UTC)		::(Also, top tip: note the use of the {{template\|w}} method to wikilinking it, much more efficient, in the form you might have used it, and slightly more aesthetic.) [[Special:Contributions/82.132.247.118\|82.132.247.118]] 21:01, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

−	:Not sure why there's commentary about anchored vessels - the comic doesn't reference them, nor claim that it would make _every_ vessel give you right of way? [[Special:Contributions/91.84.189.119\|91.84.189.119]] 21:47, 23 July 2025 (UTC)	+	Not sure why there's commentary about anchored vessels - the comic doesn't reference them, nor claim that it would make _every_ vessel give you right of way? [[Special:Contributions/91.84.189.119\|91.84.189.119]] 21:47, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

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	::Already linked that, myself. Though not so sure it's a direct inspiration, only an interesting onward read (which is how I chose to link it).		::Already linked that, myself. Though not so sure it's a direct inspiration, only an interesting onward read (which is how I chose to link it).
	::(Also, top tip: note the use of the {{template\|w}} method to wikilinking it, much more efficient, in the form you might have used it, and slightly more aesthetic.) [[Special:Contributions/82.132.247.118\|82.132.247.118]] 21:01, 23 July 2025 (UTC)		::(Also, top tip: note the use of the {{template\|w}} method to wikilinking it, much more efficient, in the form you might have used it, and slightly more aesthetic.) [[Special:Contributions/82.132.247.118\|82.132.247.118]] 21:01, 23 July 2025 (UTC)
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		+	:Not sure why there's commentary about anchored vessels - the comic doesn't reference them, nor claim that it would make _every_ vessel give you right of way? [[Special:Contributions/91.84.189.119\|91.84.189.119]] 21:47, 23 July 2025 (UTC)