Talk:3121: Kite Incident - Revision history

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(More accurate original 'unsigned named user' than, even if same person as iPv8 unlogged in, given a newer time... Not that we can know this to be the same person.) And reply to something.

73.190.140.221: typo typo. i cant think today

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typo typo. i cant think today

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73.190.140.221 at 16:40, 1 August 2025

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82.13.184.33 at 08:13, 30 July 2025

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Dtgriscom at 16:15, 29 July 2025

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 Me and my Dad had something similar happen when I was 15. He built me a big (8 foot tall) box kite and we went to fly it in a field beside our house. Problem was that on the other side of the field was the city's airport. All of a sudden a truck with flashing lights came charging through the field to where we were. A guy got out, looked up at the kite, looked at us, looked up at the kite again and said "Ummm.. you're going to have to fly that somewhere else - we're picking you up on radar." This was in the 90's before drones were a thing. I can imagine the panic when an unedentified blip shows up on radar with no transponder. That kite was lots of fun (though a little dangerous in high winds) it had a harness to hold it and it dragged me across a field once before my Dad grabbed me. Maybe I should make a quick release for it. {{unsigned ip|64.203.66.182|14:30, 29 July 2025}}
-My cousin and I did this in the '80s with the same kind of kite.  Kept tying on 200 ft spools of kite string until we went through 20 and couldn't see the kite any more.  Tied it off to a fence and left it overnight.  Tracked the string the next day (which never touched the ground) to the roof of a house a half mile away.  How I wish we'd thought of adding more kites! [[Special:Contributions/2601:45:402:B920:2330:1D81:A117:2249|2601:45:402:B920:2330:1D81:A117:2249]] 16:03, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
+My cousin and I did this in the '80s with the same kind of kite.  Kept tying on 200 ft spools of kite string until we went through 20 and couldn't see the kite any more.  Tied it off to a fence and left it overnight.  Tracked the string the next day (which never touched the ground) to the roof of a house a half mile away.  How I wish we'd thought of adding more kites! {{unsigned|BrickOfReality|15:19, 29 July 2025 (UTC)}}
 We need someone who knows Calculus to come in and model the dangling line as the catenary equation. I know just enough to know how much I dont know 😭 {{unsigned ip|199.241.130.234|15:44, 29 July 2025 (UTC)}}
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 if the kite is that strong, megan should NOT be holding the string with her bare hands. there's a reason modern kites have specially designed handles. (source: flew a big kite this summer, briefly tried to hold the string and Immediately regretted it) [[Special:Contributions/73.190.140.221|73.190.140.221]] 16:40, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

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	The weight of the string will be properly lifted by each kite. However, the horizontal tension will get higher and higher, as each kite needs lateral tension in order to resist the wind, and all the tensions will add up. This will decrease the depth of the catenary curve, but you will also need to increase the strength (and thus weight) of the string after not too many kites are added. -- [[User:Dtgriscom\|Dtgriscom]] ([[User talk:Dtgriscom\|talk]]) 16:15, 29 July 2025 (UTC)		The weight of the string will be properly lifted by each kite. However, the horizontal tension will get higher and higher, as each kite needs lateral tension in order to resist the wind, and all the tensions will add up. This will decrease the depth of the catenary curve, but you will also need to increase the strength (and thus weight) of the string after not too many kites are added. -- [[User:Dtgriscom\|Dtgriscom]] ([[User talk:Dtgriscom\|talk]]) 16:15, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

−	if the kite is that strong, megan should NOT be holding the string with her bare hands. there's a reason modern kites have specially designed handles. (source: flew a big kite this summer; briefly tried to hold the string and Immediately regretted it) [[Special:Contributions/73.190.140.221\|73.190.140.221]] 16:40, 1 August 2025 (UTC)	+	if the kite is that strong, megan should NOT be holding the string with her bare hands. there's a reason modern kites have specially designed handles. (source: flew a big kite this summer, briefly tried to hold the string and Immediately regretted it) [[Special:Contributions/73.190.140.221\|73.190.140.221]] 16:40, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

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	The weight of the string will be properly lifted by each kite. However, the horizontal tension will get higher and higher, as each kite needs lateral tension in order to resist the wind, and all the tensions will add up. This will decrease the depth of the catenary curve, but you will also need to increase the strength (and thus weight) of the string after not too many kites are added. -- [[User:Dtgriscom\|Dtgriscom]] ([[User talk:Dtgriscom\|talk]]) 16:15, 29 July 2025 (UTC)		The weight of the string will be properly lifted by each kite. However, the horizontal tension will get higher and higher, as each kite needs lateral tension in order to resist the wind, and all the tensions will add up. This will decrease the depth of the catenary curve, but you will also need to increase the strength (and thus weight) of the string after not too many kites are added. -- [[User:Dtgriscom\|Dtgriscom]] ([[User talk:Dtgriscom\|talk]]) 16:15, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

−	if the kite is that strong, megan should NOT be holding the string with her bare hands. there's a reason modern kites have specially designed handles. (source: flew a big kite this summer, briefly tried to hold the string and Immediately regretted it) [[Special:Contributions/73.190.140.221\|73.190.140.221]] 16:40, 1 August 2025 (UTC)	+	if the kite is that strong, megan should NOT be holding the string with her bare hands. there's a reason modern kites have specially designed handles. (source: flew a big kite this summer; briefly tried to hold the string and Immediately regretted it) [[Special:Contributions/73.190.140.221\|73.190.140.221]] 16:40, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

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	The weight of the string will be properly lifted by each kite. However, the horizontal tension will get higher and higher, as each kite needs lateral tension in order to resist the wind, and all the tensions will add up. This will decrease the depth of the catenary curve, but you will also need to increase the strength (and thus weight) of the string after not too many kites are added. -- [[User:Dtgriscom\|Dtgriscom]] ([[User talk:Dtgriscom\|talk]]) 16:15, 29 July 2025 (UTC)		The weight of the string will be properly lifted by each kite. However, the horizontal tension will get higher and higher, as each kite needs lateral tension in order to resist the wind, and all the tensions will add up. This will decrease the depth of the catenary curve, but you will also need to increase the strength (and thus weight) of the string after not too many kites are added. -- [[User:Dtgriscom\|Dtgriscom]] ([[User talk:Dtgriscom\|talk]]) 16:15, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
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		+	if the kite is that strong, megan should NOT be holding the string with her bare hands. there's a reason modern kites have specially designed handles. (source: flew a big kite this summer, briefly tried to hold the string and Immediately regretted it) [[Special:Contributions/73.190.140.221\|73.190.140.221]] 16:40, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

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 Me and my Dad had something similar happen when I was 15. He built me a big (8 foot tall) box kite and we went to fly it in a field beside our house. Problem was that on the other side of the field was the city's airport. All of a sudden a truck with flashing lights came charging through the field to where we were. A guy got out, looked up at the kite, looked at us, looked up at the kite again and said "Ummm.. you're going to have to fly that somewhere else - we're picking you up on radar." This was in the 90's before drones were a thing. I can imagine the panic when an unedentified blip shows up on radar with no transponder. That kite was lots of fun (though a little dangerous in high winds) it had a harness to hold it and it dragged me across a field once before my Dad grabbed me. Maybe I should make a quick release for it. {{unsigned ip|64.203.66.182|14:30, 29 July 2025}}
-My cousin and I did this in the '80s with the same kind of kite.  Kept tying on 200 ft spools of kite string until we went through 20 and couldn't see the kite any more.  Tied it off to a fence and left it overnight.  Tracked the string the next day (which never touched the ground) to the roof of a house a half mile away.  How I wish we'd thought of adding more kites! {{unsigned|BrickOfReality|15:19, 29 July 2025 (UTC)}}
+My cousin and I did this in the '80s with the same kind of kite.  Kept tying on 200 ft spools of kite string until we went through 20 and couldn't see the kite any more.  Tied it off to a fence and left it overnight.  Tracked the string the next day (which never touched the ground) to the roof of a house a half mile away.  How I wish we'd thought of adding more kites! [[Special:Contributions/2601:45:402:B920:2330:1D81:A117:2249|2601:45:402:B920:2330:1D81:A117:2249]] 16:03, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
 We need someone who knows Calculus to come in and model the dangling line as the catenary equation. I know just enough to know how much I dont know 😭 {{unsigned ip|199.241.130.234|15:44, 29 July 2025 (UTC)}}
 The weight of the string will be properly lifted by each kite. However, the horizontal tension will get higher and higher, as each kite needs lateral tension in order to resist the wind, and all the tensions will add up. This will decrease the depth of the catenary curve, but you will also need to increase the strength (and thus weight) of the string after not too many kites are added. -- [[User:Dtgriscom|Dtgriscom]] ([[User talk:Dtgriscom|talk]]) 16:15, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

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 :::It was the more localised effect of the Icelandic volcano (or occasions like when Russia shot down the airliner over Ukraine) which meant that the 'fringe' of effected area to be avoided impinged into routes further away, and required flights that would merely skirt the area to consider their options, but the fringe of a whole hemisphere (which doesn't affect south-only specialist airlines) is arguably less significant, by proportion. Iceland was particularly disproportionate because the significant transatlantic travel tends to take paths up through the downstream ash-cloud, even between the extreme southern Europe and its equivalent US latitudes. Great circle (short) segments don't, however, cross the equator, but aftually bend away from it, so two south-of-equator endpoints have a flight path that's safer.
 :::If an individual airline is running a (say) (North->)South1->South2->North(->South1) triangular service, normally, then it might have a problem if it doesn't run a S1->N->S2 counter-circuit with another plane (that also isn't 'trapped' North at the wrong moment), but can at least S1<->S2 until things clear up. And arrangements with other airlines (with opposingly 'south-trapped' resources) can probably paper over mutual gaps in coverage, if there's enough common goodwill for the duration. [[Special:Contributions/82.132.237.17|82.132.237.17]] 09:31, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
 This is not the first time that [[268: Choices: Part 5|Megan has expressed an interest in flying kites]], nor [[1614:_Kites|the second]]. It's also not the first time that [[235:_Kite|Cueball has taken kite flying way too far]]. [[Special:Contributions/2600:4040:5432:F700:80B6:B228:2EDB:6FC4|2600:4040:5432:F700:80B6:B228:2EDB:6FC4]] 00:46, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

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 I love this one, for me it is very much early xkcd spirit in there, with just people out and exploring, having fun, trying things... I don't think I can really describe, anyone feels the same? --[[User:Lupo|Lupo]] ([[User talk:Lupo|talk]]) 04:40, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
 Years ago someone told me that he had met Randall through their mutual interest in kites.{{unsigned ip|47.34.153.128|07:50, 29 July 2025}}
 Me and my Dad had something similar happen when I was 15. He built me a big (8 foot tall) box kite and we went to fly it in a field beside our house. Problem was that on the other side of the field was the city's airport. All of a sudden a truck with flashing lights came charging through the field to where we were. A guy got out, looked up at the kite, looked at us, looked up at the kite again and said "Ummm.. you're going to have to fly that somewhere else - we're picking you up on radar." This was in the 90's before drones were a thing. I can imagine the panic when an unedentified blip shows up on radar with no transponder. That kite was lots of fun (though a little dangerous in high winds) it had a harness to hold it and it dragged me across a field once before my Dad grabbed me. Maybe I should make a quick release for it. {{unsigned ip|64.203.66.182|14:30, 29 July 2025}}
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 My cousin and I did this in the '80s with the same kind of kite.  Kept tying on 200 ft spools of kite string until we went through 20 and couldn't see the kite any more.  Tied it off to a fence and left it overnight.  Tracked the string the next day (which never touched the ground) to the roof of a house a half mile away.  How I wish we'd thought of adding more kites!
-We need someone who knows Calculus to come in and model the dangling line as the catenary equation. I know just enough to know how much I dont know 😭
+We need someone who knows Calculus to come in and model the dangling line as the catenary equation. I know just enough to know how much I dont know 😭 {{unsigned|BrickOfReality|15:19, 29 July 2025 (UTC)}}
 The weight of the string will be properly lifted by each kite. However, the horizontal tension will get higher and higher, as each kite needs lateral tension in order to resist the wind, and all the tensions will add up. This will decrease the depth of the catenary curve, but you will also need to increase the strength (and thus weight) of the string after not too many kites are added. -- [[User:Dtgriscom|Dtgriscom]] ([[User talk:Dtgriscom|talk]]) 16:15, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

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	We need someone who knows Calculus to come in and model the dangling line as the catenary equation. I know just enough to know how much I dont know 😭		We need someone who knows Calculus to come in and model the dangling line as the catenary equation. I know just enough to know how much I dont know 😭
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		+	The weight of the string will be properly lifted by each kite. However, the horizontal tension will get higher and higher, as each kite needs lateral tension in order to resist the wind, and all the tensions will add up. This will decrease the depth of the catenary curve, but you will also need to increase the strength (and thus weight) of the string after not too many kites are added. -- [[User:Dtgriscom\|Dtgriscom]] ([[User talk:Dtgriscom\|talk]]) 16:15, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

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	My cousin and I did this in the '80s with the same kind of kite. Kept tying on 200 ft spools of kite string until we went through 20 and couldn't see the kite any more. Tied it off to a fence and left it overnight. Tracked the string the next day (which never touched the ground) to the roof of a house a half mile away. How I wish we'd thought of adding more kites!		My cousin and I did this in the '80s with the same kind of kite. Kept tying on 200 ft spools of kite string until we went through 20 and couldn't see the kite any more. Tied it off to a fence and left it overnight. Tracked the string the next day (which never touched the ground) to the roof of a house a half mile away. How I wish we'd thought of adding more kites!
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		+	We need someone who knows Calculus to come in and model the dangling line as the catenary equation. I know just enough to know how much I dont know 😭