Talk:3123: Canon - Revision history

82.132.215.86 at 15:29, 2 October 2025

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70.124.160.162: Added reference to the Taoist concept of Pu

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Added reference to the Taoist concept of Pu

2.245.6.118 at 07:10, 11 August 2025

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2.245.6.118 at 07:09, 11 August 2025

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Elizium23: cite

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cite

Elizium23: self-referential

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self-referential

Elizium23: yes thank you IPv4

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yes thank you IPv4

82.13.184.33 at 08:21, 5 August 2025

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82.13.184.33 at 08:21, 5 August 2025

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Elizium23: /* Original meaning of "canon" */ new section

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‎Original meaning of "canon": new section

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	Sadly, I needed this explanation to understand the joke, because it didn't occur to me to use the word canon for something different. Applying it to fantasy feels heretic. [[Special:Contributions/2.245.6.118\|2.245.6.118]] 07:09, 11 August 2025 (UTC)		Sadly, I needed this explanation to understand the joke, because it didn't occur to me to use the word canon for something different. Applying it to fantasy feels heretic. [[Special:Contributions/2.245.6.118\|2.245.6.118]] 07:09, 11 August 2025 (UTC)

−	The title text seems to reference the Taoist concept of the uncarved block - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pu_(Taoism)	+	The title text seems to reference the Taoist concept of the uncarved block - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pu_(Taoism) {{unsigned ip\|70.124.160.162\|13:16, 2 October 2025}}

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	Sadly, I needed this explanation to understand the joke, because it didn't occur to me to use the word canon for something different. Applying it to fantasy feels heretic. [[Special:Contributions/2.245.6.118\|2.245.6.118]] 07:09, 11 August 2025 (UTC)		Sadly, I needed this explanation to understand the joke, because it didn't occur to me to use the word canon for something different. Applying it to fantasy feels heretic. [[Special:Contributions/2.245.6.118\|2.245.6.118]] 07:09, 11 August 2025 (UTC)
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		+	The title text seems to reference the Taoist concept of the uncarved block - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pu_(Taoism)

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	:: So we can pedantically qualify this as "original [ecclesiastical] meaning" after church guys picked it up and wrote it into the NT scripture [2 Cor 10, Gal 6], which ... became canon [[User:Elizium23\|Elizium23]] ([[User talk:Elizium23\|talk]]) 04:27, 6 August 2025 (UTC)		:: So we can pedantically qualify this as "original [ecclesiastical] meaning" after church guys picked it up and wrote it into the NT scripture [2 Cor 10, Gal 6], which ... became canon [[User:Elizium23\|Elizium23]] ([[User talk:Elizium23\|talk]]) 04:27, 6 August 2025 (UTC)

−	Sadly, I needed this explanation to understand the joke, because it didn't occur to me to use the word canon for something different ~~than the CCC~~. Applying it to fantasy feels heretic. [[Special:Contributions/2.245.6.118\|2.245.6.118]] 07:09, 11 August 2025 (UTC)	+	Sadly, I needed this explanation to understand the joke, because it didn't occur to me to use the word canon for something different. Applying it to fantasy feels heretic. [[Special:Contributions/2.245.6.118\|2.245.6.118]] 07:09, 11 August 2025 (UTC)

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	:: Good, thank you: yes, all the free sources I find are apologetics and Bible studies, but they uniformly [https://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Lexicon.show/ID/G2583/kanon.htm cite Strong's Concordance 2583]. Looks like the root was ''κανε'' [[User:Elizium23\|Elizium23]] ([[User talk:Elizium23\|talk]]) 04:26, 6 August 2025 (UTC)		:: Good, thank you: yes, all the free sources I find are apologetics and Bible studies, but they uniformly [https://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Lexicon.show/ID/G2583/kanon.htm cite Strong's Concordance 2583]. Looks like the root was ''κανε'' [[User:Elizium23\|Elizium23]] ([[User talk:Elizium23\|talk]]) 04:26, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
	:: So we can pedantically qualify this as "original [ecclesiastical] meaning" after church guys picked it up and wrote it into the NT scripture [2 Cor 10, Gal 6], which ... became canon [[User:Elizium23\|Elizium23]] ([[User talk:Elizium23\|talk]]) 04:27, 6 August 2025 (UTC)		:: So we can pedantically qualify this as "original [ecclesiastical] meaning" after church guys picked it up and wrote it into the NT scripture [2 Cor 10, Gal 6], which ... became canon [[User:Elizium23\|Elizium23]] ([[User talk:Elizium23\|talk]]) 04:27, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
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		+	Sadly, I needed this explanation to understand the joke, because it didn't occur to me to use the word canon for something different than the CCC. Applying it to fantasy feels heretic. [[Special:Contributions/2.245.6.118\|2.245.6.118]] 07:09, 11 August 2025 (UTC)

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 : Originally (as far back as it can be traced), it meant a reed. [[Special:Contributions/82.13.184.33|82.13.184.33]] 08:21, 5 August 2025 (UTC)
 :: Good, thank you: yes, all the free sources I find are apologetics and Bible studies, but they uniformly [https://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Lexicon.show/ID/G2583/kanon.htm cite Strong's Concordance 2583]. Looks like the root was ''κανε'' [[User:Elizium23|Elizium23]] ([[User talk:Elizium23|talk]]) 04:26, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
-:: So we can pedantically qualify this as "original [ecclesiastical] meaning" after church guys picked it up and wrote it into the NT scripture, which ... became canon [[User:Elizium23|Elizium23]] ([[User talk:Elizium23|talk]]) 04:27, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
+:: So we can pedantically qualify this as "original [ecclesiastical] meaning" after church guys picked it up and wrote it into the NT scripture [2 Cor 10, Gal 6], which ... became canon [[User:Elizium23|Elizium23]] ([[User talk:Elizium23|talk]]) 04:27, 6 August 2025 (UTC)

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	: Originally (as far back as it can be traced), it meant a reed. [[Special:Contributions/82.13.184.33\|82.13.184.33]] 08:21, 5 August 2025 (UTC)		: Originally (as far back as it can be traced), it meant a reed. [[Special:Contributions/82.13.184.33\|82.13.184.33]] 08:21, 5 August 2025 (UTC)
	:: Good, thank you: yes, all the free sources I find are apologetics and Bible studies, but they uniformly [https://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Lexicon.show/ID/G2583/kanon.htm cite Strong's Concordance 2583]. Looks like the root was ''κανε'' [[User:Elizium23\|Elizium23]] ([[User talk:Elizium23\|talk]]) 04:26, 6 August 2025 (UTC)		:: Good, thank you: yes, all the free sources I find are apologetics and Bible studies, but they uniformly [https://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Lexicon.show/ID/G2583/kanon.htm cite Strong's Concordance 2583]. Looks like the root was ''κανε'' [[User:Elizium23\|Elizium23]] ([[User talk:Elizium23\|talk]]) 04:26, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
		+	:: So we can pedantically qualify this as "original [ecclesiastical] meaning" after church guys picked it up and wrote it into the NT scripture, which ... became canon [[User:Elizium23\|Elizium23]] ([[User talk:Elizium23\|talk]]) 04:27, 6 August 2025 (UTC)

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	Greetings, In the Apostolic age, and for the Early Church Fathers, "canon" means Apostolic laws and decrees, enacted by Ecumenical Councils. This is a broader meaning and predates the "Biblical canon". Canons of Scripture are but the most well-known canons decreed by the Church Fathers (and even at the 16th c. Council of Trent.) So Randall is not so accurate to call this the one and only "original" meaning. The same terms are in use today: Canon Law (Western, Eastern, Orthodox), and the Biblical Canons (OT, NT, EO, OO, Protestant, et. al.) [[User:Elizium23\|Elizium23]] ([[User talk:Elizium23\|talk]]) 21:06, 4 August 2025 (UTC)		Greetings, In the Apostolic age, and for the Early Church Fathers, "canon" means Apostolic laws and decrees, enacted by Ecumenical Councils. This is a broader meaning and predates the "Biblical canon". Canons of Scripture are but the most well-known canons decreed by the Church Fathers (and even at the 16th c. Council of Trent.) So Randall is not so accurate to call this the one and only "original" meaning. The same terms are in use today: Canon Law (Western, Eastern, Orthodox), and the Biblical Canons (OT, NT, EO, OO, Protestant, et. al.) [[User:Elizium23\|Elizium23]] ([[User talk:Elizium23\|talk]]) 21:06, 4 August 2025 (UTC)
	: Originally (as far back as it can be traced), it meant a reed. [[Special:Contributions/82.13.184.33\|82.13.184.33]] 08:21, 5 August 2025 (UTC)		: Originally (as far back as it can be traced), it meant a reed. [[Special:Contributions/82.13.184.33\|82.13.184.33]] 08:21, 5 August 2025 (UTC)
		+	:: Good, thank you: yes, all the free sources I find are apologetics and Bible studies, but they uniformly [https://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Lexicon.show/ID/G2583/kanon.htm cite Strong's Concordance 2583]. Looks like the root was ''κανε'' [[User:Elizium23\|Elizium23]] ([[User talk:Elizium23\|talk]]) 04:26, 6 August 2025 (UTC)

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	Greetings, In the Apostolic age, and for the Early Church Fathers, "canon" means Apostolic laws and decrees, enacted by Ecumenical Councils. This is a broader meaning and predates the "Biblical canon". Canons of Scripture are but the most well-known canons decreed by the Church Fathers (and even at the 16th c. Council of Trent.) So Randall is not so accurate to call this the one and only "original" meaning. The same terms are in use today: Canon Law (Western, Eastern, Orthodox), and the Biblical Canons (OT, NT, EO, OO, Protestant, et. al.) [[User:Elizium23\|Elizium23]] ([[User talk:Elizium23\|talk]]) 21:06, 4 August 2025 (UTC)		Greetings, In the Apostolic age, and for the Early Church Fathers, "canon" means Apostolic laws and decrees, enacted by Ecumenical Councils. This is a broader meaning and predates the "Biblical canon". Canons of Scripture are but the most well-known canons decreed by the Church Fathers (and even at the 16th c. Council of Trent.) So Randall is not so accurate to call this the one and only "original" meaning. The same terms are in use today: Canon Law (Western, Eastern, Orthodox), and the Biblical Canons (OT, NT, EO, OO, Protestant, et. al.) [[User:Elizium23\|Elizium23]] ([[User talk:Elizium23\|talk]]) 21:06, 4 August 2025 (UTC)
−	: Originally (as far back as it can be traced, it meant a reed. [[Special:Contributions/82.13.184.33\|82.13.184.33]] 08:21, 5 August 2025 (UTC)	+	: Originally (as far back as it can be traced), it meant a reed. [[Special:Contributions/82.13.184.33\|82.13.184.33]] 08:21, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

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 :Except that a canon doesn't have to return to where it started - only certain subtypes like rounds do. [[Special:Contributions/82.13.184.33|82.13.184.33]] 16:00, 4 August 2025 (UTC)
-== Original meaning of "canon" ==
+Greetings, In the Apostolic age, and for the Early Church Fathers, "canon" means Apostolic laws and decrees, enacted by Ecumenical Councils. This is a broader meaning and predates the "Biblical canon". Canons of Scripture are but the most well-known canons decreed by the Church Fathers (and even at the 16th c. Council of Trent.) So Randall is not so accurate to call this the one and only "original" meaning. The same terms are in use today: Canon Law (Western, Eastern, Orthodox), and the Biblical Canons (OT, NT, EO, OO, Protestant, et. al.) [[User:Elizium23|Elizium23]] ([[User talk:Elizium23|talk]]) 21:06, 4 August 2025 (UTC)
+: Originally (as far back as it can be traced, it meant a reed. [[Special:Contributions/82.13.184.33|82.13.184.33]] 08:21, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

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	This discussion seems to miss the pun on the word canon as used in music, as a piece that has a tendency to evolve until it has returned to where it started. I have to believe that Randall's use of this was intentional.--[[Special:Contributions/72.93.242.106\|72.93.242.106]] 14:28, 4 August 2025 (UTC)		This discussion seems to miss the pun on the word canon as used in music, as a piece that has a tendency to evolve until it has returned to where it started. I have to believe that Randall's use of this was intentional.--[[Special:Contributions/72.93.242.106\|72.93.242.106]] 14:28, 4 August 2025 (UTC)
	:Except that a canon doesn't have to return to where it started - only certain subtypes like rounds do. [[Special:Contributions/82.13.184.33\|82.13.184.33]] 16:00, 4 August 2025 (UTC)		:Except that a canon doesn't have to return to where it started - only certain subtypes like rounds do. [[Special:Contributions/82.13.184.33\|82.13.184.33]] 16:00, 4 August 2025 (UTC)
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		+	== Original meaning of "canon" ==
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		+	Greetings,
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		+	In the Apostolic age, and for the Early Church Fathers, "canon" means Apostolic laws and decrees, enacted by Ecumenical Councils. This is a broader meaning and predates the "Biblical canon". Canons of Scripture are but the most well-known canons decreed by the Church Fathers (and even at the 16th c. Council of Trent.) So Randall is not so accurate to call this the one and only "original" meaning. The same terms are in use today: Canon Law (Western, Eastern, Orthodox), and the Biblical Canons (OT, NT, EO, OO, Protestant, et. al.) [[User:Elizium23\|Elizium23]] ([[User talk:Elizium23\|talk]]) 21:06, 4 August 2025 (UTC)