Talk:3139: Chess Variant - Revision history

AverseABFun at 02:31, 11 September 2025

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Maplestrip at 06:41, 10 September 2025

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82.132.238.27: /* Tile grid and algebraic notation */ Changed my mind (originally Nd1), several times whilst writing. But missed doing one of the changes globally!

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‎Tile grid and algebraic notation: Changed my mind (originally Nd1), several times whilst writing. But missed doing one of the changes globally!

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	::True. Could be fun to add a mode switch so you can pick between different rulesets. [[User:AverseABFun\|AverseABFun]] ([[User talk:AverseABFun\|talk]]) 01:19, 11 September 2025 (UTC)		::True. Could be fun to add a mode switch so you can pick between different rulesets. [[User:AverseABFun\|AverseABFun]] ([[User talk:AverseABFun\|talk]]) 01:19, 11 September 2025 (UTC)
	::Alright, added a mode select. Should be up soon. It has four different modes. Now I'm going to see about implementing rules for allowed moves. See you in ten years I guess. [[User:AverseABFun\|AverseABFun]] ([[User talk:AverseABFun\|talk]]) 01:51, 11 September 2025 (UTC)		::Alright, added a mode select. Should be up soon. It has four different modes. Now I'm going to see about implementing rules for allowed moves. See you in ten years I guess. [[User:AverseABFun\|AverseABFun]] ([[User talk:AverseABFun\|talk]]) 01:51, 11 September 2025 (UTC)
		+	::Okay it has many a bug and I need to figure out how to block off paths when it hits something because it is too lenient but basic rules for what's allowed are in place [[User:AverseABFun\|AverseABFun]] ([[User talk:AverseABFun\|talk]]) 02:31, 11 September 2025 (UTC)

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	:But maybe I'm just reading it too openly. My idea of the tactics involved being to keep the 'hole' ''away'' from the vicinity of any defensive formation you may have, lest your opponent gets to move your pieces out of formation and then procedes to further reshuffle your end of the board with the "portable hole" in ways are also actively disruptive to your placement. Conversely: make them ''think'' they're doing that, but actually letting them bring your pieces out, en mass, in a more valuable offensive arrangement. ;) [[Special:Contributions/82.132.245.43\|82.132.245.43]] 22:33, 10 September 2025 (UTC)		:But maybe I'm just reading it too openly. My idea of the tactics involved being to keep the 'hole' ''away'' from the vicinity of any defensive formation you may have, lest your opponent gets to move your pieces out of formation and then procedes to further reshuffle your end of the board with the "portable hole" in ways are also actively disruptive to your placement. Conversely: make them ''think'' they're doing that, but actually letting them bring your pieces out, en mass, in a more valuable offensive arrangement. ;) [[Special:Contributions/82.132.245.43\|82.132.245.43]] 22:33, 10 September 2025 (UTC)
	::True. Could be fun to add a mode switch so you can pick between different rulesets. [[User:AverseABFun\|AverseABFun]] ([[User talk:AverseABFun\|talk]]) 01:19, 11 September 2025 (UTC)		::True. Could be fun to add a mode switch so you can pick between different rulesets. [[User:AverseABFun\|AverseABFun]] ([[User talk:AverseABFun\|talk]]) 01:19, 11 September 2025 (UTC)
		+	::Alright, added a mode select. Should be up soon. It has four different modes. Now I'm going to see about implementing rules for allowed moves. See you in ten years I guess. [[User:AverseABFun\|AverseABFun]] ([[User talk:AverseABFun\|talk]]) 01:51, 11 September 2025 (UTC)

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	:It's your implementation, your rules (and I haven't yet tried your version out for myself, to check), but I didn't get the impression from the comic that there was any limitation to which slidy piece you could slide based upon whether it held one of your pieces or not (which seems to be what you're considering).		:It's your implementation, your rules (and I haven't yet tried your version out for myself, to check), but I didn't get the impression from the comic that there was any limitation to which slidy piece you could slide based upon whether it held one of your pieces or not (which seems to be what you're considering).
	:But maybe I'm just reading it too openly. My idea of the tactics involved being to keep the 'hole' ''away'' from the vicinity of any defensive formation you may have, lest your opponent gets to move your pieces out of formation and then procedes to further reshuffle your end of the board with the "portable hole" in ways are also actively disruptive to your placement. Conversely: make them ''think'' they're doing that, but actually letting them bring your pieces out, en mass, in a more valuable offensive arrangement. ;) [[Special:Contributions/82.132.245.43\|82.132.245.43]] 22:33, 10 September 2025 (UTC)		:But maybe I'm just reading it too openly. My idea of the tactics involved being to keep the 'hole' ''away'' from the vicinity of any defensive formation you may have, lest your opponent gets to move your pieces out of formation and then procedes to further reshuffle your end of the board with the "portable hole" in ways are also actively disruptive to your placement. Conversely: make them ''think'' they're doing that, but actually letting them bring your pieces out, en mass, in a more valuable offensive arrangement. ;) [[Special:Contributions/82.132.245.43\|82.132.245.43]] 22:33, 10 September 2025 (UTC)
		+	::True. Could be fun to add a mode switch so you can pick between different rulesets. [[User:AverseABFun\|AverseABFun]] ([[User talk:AverseABFun\|talk]]) 01:19, 11 September 2025 (UTC)

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 :Every proper board-slide ''must'' have the "(to)" that was the last slide's "(from)", or the initial choice of starting-hole, so you just need to know which of the 2-4 neighbours, of the gap, you're moving into it (and that will become the new gap).
 :And, with the suggestion (up there) that the first gap is initially created by only removing from a complete board any ''unoccupied'' 2x2 candidate, you could notate that instead as "(from)»" to describe the removal. ''Unless'' there's only one "uncamped" sub-board available, when "»" might be considered sufficient record, with the other 15 locations being irremovable at that point. [[Special:Contributions/82.132.238.27|82.132.238.27]] 03:22, 10 September 2025 (UTC)
-:That sounds good, I agree that probably just "(from)>" is good for the tile, and "(from)»" for the initial removed tile. Maybe the equivalent FEN notation could be "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1 Zu" (which is my suggestion for the starting position and seems to be what Randall has as the starting position). [[User:AverseABFun|AverseABFun]] ([[User talk:AverseABFun|talk]]) 19:01, 10 September 2025 (UTC)
+:That sounds good, I agree that probably just "(from)>" is good for the tile, and "(from)»" for the initial removed tile. Maybe the equivalent FEN notation could be "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1 Zu" (which is my suggestion for the starting position and seems to be what Randall has as the starting position). [[User:AverseABFun|AverseABFun]]<!--originall as IP?--> ([[User talk:AverseABFun|talk]]) 18:14, 10 September 2025 (UTC)
 So how would this move be rated? Is it a blunder, is it brilliant, or is it something inbetween? Can we even really know right now, without any history of this specific variant being played? [[User:Maplestrip|Maplestrip]] ([[User talk:Maplestrip|talk]]) 06:41, 10 September 2025 (UTC)
-:I'm looking into it and it would be possible to set up Elo ratings for this style of chess as Elo ratings can be created for any zero-sum game. For figuring out blunders and others, that's subjective and when calculated is calculated through engines (commonly stockfish) so until someone adds support for slide chess (that's what I'm calling it as well as calling it X3139 chess) to stockfish or another engine we won't know.
+:I'm looking into it and it would be possible to set up Elo ratings for this style of chess as Elo ratings can be created for any zero-sum game. For figuring out blunders and others, that's subjective and when calculated is calculated through engines (commonly stockfish) so until someone adds support for slide chess (that's what I'm calling it as well as calling it X3139 chess) to stockfish or another engine we won't know. {{unsigned|AverseABFun|19:10, 10 September 2025}}
-Okay, I have finished my initial version. Note that it does not have any sort of move validation. To move a tile, select any square in a tile in which you have at least one piece and then select any part of the empty tile. https://github.com/Aversefun/x3139-chess https://x3139.trustworthysources.xyz.
+Okay, I have finished my initial version. Note that it does not have any sort of move validation. To move a tile, select any square in a tile in which you have at least one piece and then select any part of the empty tile. https://github.com/Aversefun/x3139-chess https://x3139.trustworthysources.xyz. {{unsigned|AverseABFun|19:01, 10 September 2025}}

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	So how would this move be rated? Is it a blunder, is it brilliant, or is it something inbetween? Can we even really know right now, without any history of this specific variant being played? [[User:Maplestrip\|Maplestrip]] ([[User talk:Maplestrip\|talk]]) 06:41, 10 September 2025 (UTC)		So how would this move be rated? Is it a blunder, is it brilliant, or is it something inbetween? Can we even really know right now, without any history of this specific variant being played? [[User:Maplestrip\|Maplestrip]] ([[User talk:Maplestrip\|talk]]) 06:41, 10 September 2025 (UTC)
		+	:I'm looking into it and it would be possible to set up Elo ratings for this style of chess as Elo ratings can be created for any zero-sum game. For figuring out blunders and others, that's subjective and when calculated is calculated through engines (commonly stockfish) so until someone adds support for slide chess (that's what I'm calling it as well as calling it X3139 chess) to stockfish or another engine we won't know.

	Okay, I have finished my initial version. Note that it does not have any sort of move validation. To move a tile, select any square in a tile in which you have at least one piece and then select any part of the empty tile. https://github.com/Aversefun/x3139-chess https://x3139.trustworthysources.xyz.		Okay, I have finished my initial version. Note that it does not have any sort of move validation. To move a tile, select any square in a tile in which you have at least one piece and then select any part of the empty tile. https://github.com/Aversefun/x3139-chess https://x3139.trustworthysources.xyz.

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 How would one handle the board gap and pieces jumping into it/moving through it? Which side has advantage based on gap location? I think slide and move (order to be determined). Move/slide as a combined step would be interesting for rook/bishop/queen/horse calculaitons. [[Special:Contributions/163.116.254.45|163.116.254.45]] 14:43, 9 September 2025 (UTC) psyllix
-== Tile grid and algebraic notation ==
+Tile grid and algebraic notation - Proposal for the notation:
 * Tile grid:
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    Ex: Yu>Zu
-(also, note: logged into my account of [[User/AverseABFun]], yes I forgot to mention this in the thing so if there's a way for me to prove it's me lemme know)
+(also, note: logged into my account of [[User/AverseABFun]], yes I forgot to mention this in the thing so if there's a way for me to prove it's me lemme know) [[Special:Contributions/73.164.32.149|73.164.32.149]] 20:13, 9 September 2025 (UTC)
 :My only suggestion, is that you only need the "(from)". Or call it "(from)›", perhaps. Piece-moving notation often omits details that can be infered, so the sole/only queen that can land on d4 just needs "Qd4". But it could need the crucial starting file and/or rank, such as "Q6d4", if there are multiple queens that could get to d4.
 :Every proper board-slide ''must'' have the "(to)" that was the last slide's "(from)", or the initial choice of starting-hole, so you just need to know which of the 2-4 neighbours, of the gap, you're moving into it (and that will become the new gap).
 :And, with the suggestion (up there) that the first gap is initially created by only removing from a complete board any ''unoccupied'' 2x2 candidate, you could notate that instead as "(from)»" to describe the removal. ''Unless'' there's only one "uncamped" sub-board available, when "»" might be considered sufficient record, with the other 15 locations being irremovable at that point. [[Special:Contributions/82.132.238.27|82.132.238.27]] 03:22, 10 September 2025 (UTC)
 So how would this move be rated? Is it a blunder, is it brilliant, or is it something inbetween? Can we even really know right now, without any history of this specific variant being played? [[User:Maplestrip|Maplestrip]] ([[User talk:Maplestrip|talk]]) 06:41, 10 September 2025 (UTC)

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	:Every proper board-slide ''must'' have the "(to)" that was the last slide's "(from)", or the initial choice of starting-hole, so you just need to know which of the 2-4 neighbours, of the gap, you're moving into it (and that will become the new gap).		:Every proper board-slide ''must'' have the "(to)" that was the last slide's "(from)", or the initial choice of starting-hole, so you just need to know which of the 2-4 neighbours, of the gap, you're moving into it (and that will become the new gap).
	:And, with the suggestion (up there) that the first gap is initially created by only removing from a complete board any ''unoccupied'' 2x2 candidate, you could notate that instead as "(from)»" to describe the removal. ''Unless'' there's only one "uncamped" sub-board available, when "»" might be considered sufficient record, with the other 15 locations being irremovable at that point. [[Special:Contributions/82.132.238.27\|82.132.238.27]] 03:22, 10 September 2025 (UTC)		:And, with the suggestion (up there) that the first gap is initially created by only removing from a complete board any ''unoccupied'' 2x2 candidate, you could notate that instead as "(from)»" to describe the removal. ''Unless'' there's only one "uncamped" sub-board available, when "»" might be considered sufficient record, with the other 15 locations being irremovable at that point. [[Special:Contributions/82.132.238.27\|82.132.238.27]] 03:22, 10 September 2025 (UTC)
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		+	==Move rating==
		+	So how would this move be rated? Is it a blunder, is it brilliant, or is it something inbetween? Can we even really know right now, without any history of this specific variant being played? [[User:Maplestrip\|Maplestrip]] ([[User talk:Maplestrip\|talk]]) 06:41, 10 September 2025 (UTC)