Talk:315: Braille - Revision history

Lupo: replied to kazvorpal

2019-11-06T07:20:37Z

replied to kazvorpal

Kazvorpal at 21:49, 5 November 2019

2019-11-05T21:49:44Z

141.101.70.151: Added note explaining how the braille in the comic reads 'ed' but not 'gh'

2014-07-31T13:21:40Z

Added note explaining how the braille in the comic reads 'ed' but not 'gh'

173.245.48.103: Why the blind need to know what a light switch controls; why signs say that guide dogs are allowed

2014-06-30T04:52:22Z

Why the blind need to know what a light switch controls; why signs say that guide dogs are allowed

Dgbrt at 22:08, 15 May 2014

2014-05-15T22:08:13Z

Silverpie at 20:10, 15 May 2014

2014-05-15T20:10:09Z

173.245.50.88: interpretation of braille

2014-01-29T04:34:16Z

interpretation of braille

178.98.31.27: Created page with "Don't know braille enough to sight-read (I know, but I certainly can't touch-read it, so I have to go on the visuals), but when I work out the cipher, each time, sometimes the..."

2013-06-19T20:32:22Z

Created page with "Don't know braille enough to sight-read (I know, but I certainly can't touch-read it, so I have to go on the visuals), but when I work out the cipher, each time, sometimes the..."

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Don't know braille enough to sight-read (I know, but I certainly can't touch-read it, so I have to go on the visuals), but when I work out the cipher, each time, sometimes the 'translation' ''is'' revealed to be interesting, but more often than not there's a braille-enabled sign that doesn't seem to make sense in the first place. Mainly ones where the effort of finding the sign is probably a bigger handicap than dealing with what the sign says. "Push" on a 'next stop' button on a bus, that to me would seem obviously such a button if you make tactile contact with it in the first place (although the driver usually liaises with anyone with that sort of difficulty, anyway). "If you need any assistance, please ask" tacked down onto a reception desk, where any receptionist that is there would surely notice the blind person <strike>looking</strike> feeling around for such a 'handy' notice and so should intervene straight off the bat.

But the one that always gets me is the one that labels a WC's external light-switch. No other switches are labelled, around that area (nor anything else, save for the WC sign, high up on the door, surely difficult to examine or even ''imagine'' you should try to find to examine), and I can ''barely'' justify that sign by the possibility that a person might have bad sight in low light and have learnt braille to compensate, for which this is useful. But I just can't get past the thought that every reasonably sighted person and every 'reasonably blinded' person would have no use at all for the braille component, one way or another.

I stand to be corrected by anyone who knows better, of course. [[Special:Contributions/178.98.31.27|178.98.31.27]] 20:32, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

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	Nobody's mentioned the insanity of braille posted where only a driver could encounter it, like a drive-through ATM. I've also seen PRINTED SIGNS saying "braille menus for the seeing-impaired" posted, with no accompanying braille. —[[User:Kazvorpal\|Kazvorpal]] ([[User talk:Kazvorpal\|talk]]) 21:49, 5 November 2019 (UTC)		Nobody's mentioned the insanity of braille posted where only a driver could encounter it, like a drive-through ATM. I've also seen PRINTED SIGNS saying "braille menus for the seeing-impaired" posted, with no accompanying braille. —[[User:Kazvorpal\|Kazvorpal]] ([[User talk:Kazvorpal\|talk]]) 21:49, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
		+	:Maybe because it is not insane. ATMs are usually not produced that specifically for a location, so it would be a lot of hassle to make the extra spec of an ATM WITHOUT Braille. Also especially a blind person might be using it while being assisted and sitting in a backseat on the driverside. Regarding the menus: If I go to dinner with my blind friend, and I see a sign like this, I can tell him, they got a Braille-menue and he is happy because he can read it himself without of me reading it to him or choosing for him. Also Braille is not only for the blind but also seeing-impaired, who might be comfortable reading a large printed sign, but not with a small print menu. --[[User:Lupo\|Lupo]] ([[User talk:Lupo\|talk]]) 07:20, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

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	In the U.S., it was common for places like the Post Office to have a sign saying that pet dogs were prohibited, but guide dogs for the blind were allowed. This was widely seen as silly, because a blind person wouldn't be able to read the sign. (The law has since been changed to allow all disabled persons to bring assistance animals in places where pets are prohibited.) However, including the exemption for the blind on the sign made sense. The point was so that a sighted person who read the sign would know about the exemption for the blind, and wouldn't tell a blind person not to bring a dog into the place. Sometimes there is a non-obvious explanation for something that seems silly, but really isn't.[[Special:Contributions/173.245.48.103\|173.245.48.103]] 04:52, 30 June 2014 (UTC)		In the U.S., it was common for places like the Post Office to have a sign saying that pet dogs were prohibited, but guide dogs for the blind were allowed. This was widely seen as silly, because a blind person wouldn't be able to read the sign. (The law has since been changed to allow all disabled persons to bring assistance animals in places where pets are prohibited.) However, including the exemption for the blind on the sign made sense. The point was so that a sighted person who read the sign would know about the exemption for the blind, and wouldn't tell a blind person not to bring a dog into the place. Sometimes there is a non-obvious explanation for something that seems silly, but really isn't.[[Special:Contributions/173.245.48.103\|173.245.48.103]] 04:52, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
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		+	Nobody's mentioned the insanity of braille posted where only a driver could encounter it, like a drive-through ATM. I've also seen PRINTED SIGNS saying "braille menus for the seeing-impaired" posted, with no accompanying braille. —[[User:Kazvorpal\|Kazvorpal]] ([[User talk:Kazvorpal\|talk]]) 21:49, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

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 :If you want to go for grade 2, it gets much shorter than that: s-i-gh-t-ed p s-u-c-k ("p" alone is read as "people", and gh is also a two-letter sign). [[User:Silverpie|Silverpie]] ([[User talk:Silverpie|talk]]) 20:10, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
 Maybe the reason for the braille sign on the WC light switch was so that the blind person (who couldn't see the light) would know that switch should be off when the WC isn't in use, and won't waste electricity).
 In the U.S., it was common for places like the Post Office to have a sign saying that pet dogs were prohibited, but guide dogs for the blind were allowed.  This was widely seen as silly, because a blind person wouldn't be able to read the sign.  (The law has since been changed to allow all disabled persons to bring assistance animals in places where pets are prohibited.)  However, including the exemption for the blind on the sign made sense.  The point was so that a sighted person who read the sign would know about the exemption for the blind, and wouldn't tell a blind person not to bring a dog into the place.  Sometimes there is a non-obvious explanation for something that seems silly, but really isn't.[[Special:Contributions/173.245.48.103|173.245.48.103]] 04:52, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

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	:If you want to go for grade 2, it gets much shorter than that: s-i-gh-t-ed p s-u-c-k ("p" alone is read as "people", and gh is also a two-letter sign). [[User:Silverpie\|Silverpie]] ([[User talk:Silverpie\|talk]]) 20:10, 15 May 2014 (UTC)		:If you want to go for grade 2, it gets much shorter than that: s-i-gh-t-ed p s-u-c-k ("p" alone is read as "people", and gh is also a two-letter sign). [[User:Silverpie\|Silverpie]] ([[User talk:Silverpie\|talk]]) 20:10, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
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		+	Maybe the reason for the braille sign on the WC light switch was so that the blind person (who couldn't see the light) would know that switch should be off when the WC isn't in use, and won't waste electricity).
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		+	In the U.S., it was common for places like the Post Office to have a sign saying that pet dogs were prohibited, but guide dogs for the blind were allowed. This was widely seen as silly, because a blind person wouldn't be able to read the sign. (The law has since been changed to allow all disabled persons to bring assistance animals in places where pets are prohibited.) However, including the exemption for the blind on the sign made sense. The point was so that a sighted person who read the sign would know about the exemption for the blind, and wouldn't tell a blind person not to bring a dog into the place. Sometimes there is a non-obvious explanation for something that seems silly, but really isn't.[[Special:Contributions/173.245.48.103\|173.245.48.103]] 04:52, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

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	Hope I'm not typing where I shouldn't be #noob but it would make more sense if cueball read "s-i-g-h-t-(ed) p-e-o-p-l-e s-u-c-k" [[Special:Contributions/173.245.50.88\|173.245.50.88]] 04:34, 29 January 2014 (UTC)noob		Hope I'm not typing where I shouldn't be #noob but it would make more sense if cueball read "s-i-g-h-t-(ed) p-e-o-p-l-e s-u-c-k" [[Special:Contributions/173.245.50.88\|173.245.50.88]] 04:34, 29 January 2014 (UTC)noob

−	If you want to go for grade 2, it gets much shorter than that: s-i-gh-t-ed p s-u-c-k ("p" alone is read as "people", and gh is also a two-letter sign). [[User:Silverpie\|Silverpie]] ([[User talk:Silverpie\|talk]]) 20:10, 15 May 2014 (UTC)	+	:If you want to go for grade 2, it gets much shorter than that: s-i-gh-t-ed p s-u-c-k ("p" alone is read as "people", and gh is also a two-letter sign). [[User:Silverpie\|Silverpie]] ([[User talk:Silverpie\|talk]]) 20:10, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

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	Hope I'm not typing where I shouldn't be #noob but it would make more sense if cueball read "s-i-g-h-t-(ed) p-e-o-p-l-e s-u-c-k" [[Special:Contributions/173.245.50.88\|173.245.50.88]] 04:34, 29 January 2014 (UTC)noob		Hope I'm not typing where I shouldn't be #noob but it would make more sense if cueball read "s-i-g-h-t-(ed) p-e-o-p-l-e s-u-c-k" [[Special:Contributions/173.245.50.88\|173.245.50.88]] 04:34, 29 January 2014 (UTC)noob
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		+	If you want to go for grade 2, it gets much shorter than that: s-i-gh-t-ed p s-u-c-k ("p" alone is read as "people", and gh is also a two-letter sign). [[User:Silverpie\|Silverpie]] ([[User talk:Silverpie\|talk]]) 20:10, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

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	I stand to be corrected by anyone who knows better, of course. [[Special:Contributions/178.98.31.27\|178.98.31.27]] 20:32, 19 June 2013 (UTC)		I stand to be corrected by anyone who knows better, of course. [[Special:Contributions/178.98.31.27\|178.98.31.27]] 20:32, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
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		+	Hope I'm not typing where I shouldn't be #noob but it would make more sense if cueball read "s-i-g-h-t-(ed) p-e-o-p-l-e s-u-c-k" [[Special:Contributions/173.245.50.88\|173.245.50.88]] 04:34, 29 January 2014 (UTC)noob