Talk:3183: Pole Vault Pole - Revision history

63.155.75.151: link to time limits

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link to time limits

SDSpivey at 15:13, 23 December 2025

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82.13.184.33 at 09:35, 22 December 2025

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82.13.184.33 at 09:29, 22 December 2025

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82.13.184.33 at 09:26, 22 December 2025

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82.132.237.135 at 14:48, 21 December 2025

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2A00:20:C004:5BA1:5B08:2DD2:9775:4D05: Randals solutions work on a 2D world only

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Randals solutions work on a 2D world only

Qwertyuiopfromdefly: added comment

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209.52.88.66 at 17:01, 20 December 2025

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96.237.242.213: reply

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 Time limit is mentioned in both pole vault wikipedia page and IAAF regulations, but couldn't find any good link to just link to only time limit directly.{{cn}}--[[User:Trimutius|Trimutius]] ([[User talk:Trimutius|talk]]) 13:54, 20 December 2025 (UTC)
+:[https://www.usatf.org/governance/rule-books USATF rule book], page 96, rule 180.12(e): "Time in minutes for initiating a field event trial". You have 1 minute to start your run-up once your turn starts (i.e. when your name is called as "up"). When there are either 2 or 3 competitors left, you have 3 minutes. When you are the final competitor, you have 5 minutes. That's why the videos of Mondo Duplantis show him taking FOREVER to try for another world record. USATF and World Athletics rules are either the same or similar; I don't have my WA rule book handy. [[Special:Contributions/63.155.75.151|63.155.75.151]] 03:14, 29 December 2025 (UTC)
 More like DebunkXKCD. [[Special:Contributions/209.52.88.66|209.52.88.66]] 17:01, 20 December 2025 (UTC)

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	: The first is a good point, but I actually couldn't find a rule that the pole must remain within the box, just that it can only touch the landing mat after being properly planted. [[Special:Contributions/96.237.242.213\|96.237.242.213]] 15:30, 20 December 2025 (UTC)		: The first is a good point, but I actually couldn't find a rule that the pole must remain within the box, just that it can only touch the landing mat after being properly planted. [[Special:Contributions/96.237.242.213\|96.237.242.213]] 15:30, 20 December 2025 (UTC)
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		+	:When I saw it, I thought #2 was more of a "Slinky" type of pole. Where you would run normally, then plant, and the inertia would take you over, without having to "jump off". [[User:SDSpivey\|SDSpivey]] ([[User talk:SDSpivey\|talk]]) 15:13, 23 December 2025 (UTC)

	Time limit is mentioned in both pole vault wikipedia page and IAAF regulations, but couldn't find any good link to just link to only time limit directly.{{cn}}--[[User:Trimutius\|Trimutius]] ([[User talk:Trimutius\|talk]]) 13:54, 20 December 2025 (UTC)		Time limit is mentioned in both pole vault wikipedia page and IAAF regulations, but couldn't find any good link to just link to only time limit directly.{{cn}}--[[User:Trimutius\|Trimutius]] ([[User talk:Trimutius\|talk]]) 13:54, 20 December 2025 (UTC)

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	someone should add this to the fun fact category, I dont want to screw it up[[User:Qwertyuiopfromdefly\|Qwertyuiopfromdefly]] ([[User talk:Qwertyuiopfromdefly\|talk]]) 07:02, 21 December 2025 (UTC)		someone should add this to the fun fact category, I dont want to screw it up[[User:Qwertyuiopfromdefly\|Qwertyuiopfromdefly]] ([[User talk:Qwertyuiopfromdefly\|talk]]) 07:02, 21 December 2025 (UTC)

−	Also, there may be less need of a rule change, because, except for solution 1,	+	Also, there may be less need of a rule change, because, except for solution 1, none of these work in a 3D world. A pole with snall diameter can be approximated to have measure 0 in a 3D world. In other words, the challenge of a pole vault lies therein to accomblish a task with a n-2 dimensional device in a world with n dimensions. I believe a rule specification like this should avoid any workarounds in the general case. {{unsigned ip\|2a00:20:c004:5ba1:5b08:2dd2:9775:4d05\|14:37, 21 December 2025}}
−	~~None~~ of these work in a 3D world. A pole with snall diameter can be approximated to have measure 0 in a 3D world. In other words, the challenge of a pole vault lies therein to accomblish a task with a n-2 dimensional device in a world with n dimensions. I believe a rule specification like this should avoid any workarounds in the general case. {{unsigned ip\|2a00:20:c004:5ba1:5b08:2dd2:9775:4d05\|14:37, 21 December 2025}}

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 Climbing up the pole is already forbidden as a direct result of people actually doing that with a normal pole; specifically neither hand may hold the pole above the initial position of the upper hand. The other two methods are excluded by the rule that the bottom end of the pole must be within the box during the jump, so Randall will have to think of something else to reach his goal. [[Special:Contributions/79.141.154.179|79.141.154.179]] 08:16, 20 December 2025 (UTC)
 : The first is a good point, but I actually couldn't find a rule that the pole must remain within the box, just that it can only touch the landing mat after being properly planted. [[Special:Contributions/96.237.242.213|96.237.242.213]] 15:30, 20 December 2025 (UTC)
 Time limit is mentioned in both pole vault wikipedia page and IAAF regulations, but couldn't find any good link to just link to only time limit directly.{{cn}}--[[User:Trimutius|Trimutius]] ([[User talk:Trimutius|talk]]) 13:54, 20 December 2025 (UTC)

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 Climbing up the pole is already forbidden as a direct result of people actually doing that with a normal pole; specifically neither hand may hold the pole above the initial position of the upper hand. The other two methods are excluded by the rule that the bottom end of the pole must be within the box during the jump, so Randall will have to think of something else to reach his goal. [[Special:Contributions/79.141.154.179|79.141.154.179]] 08:16, 20 December 2025 (UTC)
-* The first is a good point, but I actually couldn't find a rule that the pole must remain within the box, just that it can only touch the landing mat after being properly planted. [[Special:Contributions/96.237.242.213|96.237.242.213]] 15:30, 20 December 2025 (UTC)
+: The first is a good point, but I actually couldn't find a rule that the pole must remain within the box, just that it can only touch the landing mat after being properly planted. [[Special:Contributions/96.237.242.213|96.237.242.213]] 15:30, 20 December 2025 (UTC)
 On a related point of interest, there are lots of occasions, particularly in more equipment orientated sports such as cycling and rowing where technical Innovations allowed a competitor to dominate and were banned immediately afterwards. Usually these aren't as colourful as Randall's proposals but the superman position bike frame, sliding rigger rowing boat and LZR "super suit for swimming all enabled new records and were deemed "tech doping" afterwards.

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	Also, there may be less need of a rule change, because, except for solution 1,		Also, there may be less need of a rule change, because, except for solution 1,
−	None of these work in a 3D world. A pole with snall diameter can be approximated to have measure 0 in a 3D world. In other words, the challenge of a pole vault lies therein to accomblish a task with a n-2 dimensional device in a world with n dimensions. I believe a rule specification like this should avoid any workarounds in the general case.	+	None of these work in a 3D world. A pole with snall diameter can be approximated to have measure 0 in a 3D world. In other words, the challenge of a pole vault lies therein to accomblish a task with a n-2 dimensional device in a world with n dimensions. I believe a rule specification like this should avoid any workarounds in the general case. {{unsigned ip\|2a00:20:c004:5ba1:5b08:2dd2:9775:4d05\|14:37, 21 December 2025}}

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	someone should add this to the fun fact category, I dont want to screw it up[[User:Qwertyuiopfromdefly\|Qwertyuiopfromdefly]] ([[User talk:Qwertyuiopfromdefly\|talk]]) 07:02, 21 December 2025 (UTC)		someone should add this to the fun fact category, I dont want to screw it up[[User:Qwertyuiopfromdefly\|Qwertyuiopfromdefly]] ([[User talk:Qwertyuiopfromdefly\|talk]]) 07:02, 21 December 2025 (UTC)
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		+	Also, there may be less need of a rule change, because, except for solution 1,
		+	None of these work in a 3D world. A pole with snall diameter can be approximated to have measure 0 in a 3D world. In other words, the challenge of a pole vault lies therein to accomblish a task with a n-2 dimensional device in a world with n dimensions. I believe a rule specification like this should avoid any workarounds in the general case.

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	More like DebunkXKCD. [[Special:Contributions/209.52.88.66\|209.52.88.66]] 17:01, 20 December 2025 (UTC)		More like DebunkXKCD. [[Special:Contributions/209.52.88.66\|209.52.88.66]] 17:01, 20 December 2025 (UTC)
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		+	someone should add this to the fun fact category, I dont want to screw it up[[User:Qwertyuiopfromdefly\|Qwertyuiopfromdefly]] ([[User talk:Qwertyuiopfromdefly\|talk]]) 07:02, 21 December 2025 (UTC)

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	Time limit is mentioned in both pole vault wikipedia page and IAAF regulations, but couldn't find any good link to just link to only time limit directly.{{cn}}--[[User:Trimutius\|Trimutius]] ([[User talk:Trimutius\|talk]]) 13:54, 20 December 2025 (UTC)		Time limit is mentioned in both pole vault wikipedia page and IAAF regulations, but couldn't find any good link to just link to only time limit directly.{{cn}}--[[User:Trimutius\|Trimutius]] ([[User talk:Trimutius\|talk]]) 13:54, 20 December 2025 (UTC)
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		+	More like DebunkXKCD. [[Special:Contributions/209.52.88.66\|209.52.88.66]] 17:01, 20 December 2025 (UTC)