Talk:3218: Subduction Retrieval - Revision history

82.132.237.207: A valid comment, I'm sure, just imperfectly implemented.

2026-03-27T09:42:54Z

A valid comment, I'm sure, just imperfectly implemented.

2600:1700:5FAA:A230:3B9F:FF24:EA05:27B5: mood

2026-03-27T01:32:21Z

mood

These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For: Party pooper.

2026-03-15T05:25:14Z

Party pooper.

82.13.184.33 at 09:11, 13 March 2026

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82.13.184.33 at 09:10, 13 March 2026

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67.174.239.209: Some Elf named Annatar lost the ring.

2026-03-13T08:14:33Z

Some Elf named Annatar lost the ring.

93.241.210.5 at 07:47, 13 March 2026

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2001:1C02:1A9D:9700:14F6:12B4:F895:C53E at 07:30, 13 March 2026

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Promethean at 06:30, 13 March 2026

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Promethean at 06:28, 13 March 2026

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 :assuming it hasn't served as the core for a new diamond (with traces of gold). [[Special:Contributions/2001:1C02:1A9D:9700:14F6:12B4:F895:C53E|2001:1C02:1A9D:9700:14F6:12B4:F895:C53E]] 07:30, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
-I feel like I just read Cow Tools because I was assuming there was some process actually called Subduction Retrieval
+If the image is to scale and not distorted, I don't think this operation will work. The free length of the cable being used to raise the plate is shorter than the distance from the ring to the open water in the depression above it. At some point, the clamp is going to make contact with the pulley, Upward motion will stop, and the ring will remain buried. [[User:These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For|These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For]] ([[User talk:These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For|talk]]) 05:25, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
-If the image is to scale and not distorted, I don't think this operation will work. The free length of the cable being used to raise the plate is shorter than the distance from the ring to the open water in the depression above it. At some point, the clamp is going to make contact with the pulley, Upward motion will stop, and the ring will remain buried. [[User:These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For|These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For]] ([[User talk:These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For|talk]]) 05:25, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
+I feel like I just read Cow Tools because I was assuming there was some process actually called Subduction Retrieval {{unsigned ip|2600:1700:5faa:a230:3b9f:ff24:ea05:27b5|01:32, 27 March 2026}}

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 So how long until someone mining a piece of kimberlite from the mantle wonders why the diamond embedded in it looks like it's already been cut? I guess that must be the only way to tell one that's already been to the surface and back from one that's reaching it for the first time. [[User:Promethean|Promethean]] ([[User talk:Promethean|talk]]) 06:28, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
 :assuming it hasn't served as the core for a new diamond (with traces of gold). [[Special:Contributions/2001:1C02:1A9D:9700:14F6:12B4:F895:C53E|2001:1C02:1A9D:9700:14F6:12B4:F895:C53E]] 07:30, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
 If the image is to scale and not distorted, I don't think this operation will work. The free length of the cable being used to raise the plate is shorter than the distance from the ring to the open water in the depression above it. At some point, the clamp is going to make contact with the pulley, Upward motion will stop, and the ring will remain buried. [[User:These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For|These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For]] ([[User talk:These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For|talk]]) 05:25, 15 March 2026 (UTC)

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	So how long until someone mining a piece of kimberlite from the mantle wonders why the diamond embedded in it looks like it's already been cut? I guess that must be the only way to tell one that's already been to the surface and back from one that's reaching it for the first time. [[User:Promethean\|Promethean]] ([[User talk:Promethean\|talk]]) 06:28, 13 March 2026 (UTC)		So how long until someone mining a piece of kimberlite from the mantle wonders why the diamond embedded in it looks like it's already been cut? I guess that must be the only way to tell one that's already been to the surface and back from one that's reaching it for the first time. [[User:Promethean\|Promethean]] ([[User talk:Promethean\|talk]]) 06:28, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
	:assuming it hasn't served as the core for a new diamond (with traces of gold). [[Special:Contributions/2001:1C02:1A9D:9700:14F6:12B4:F895:C53E\|2001:1C02:1A9D:9700:14F6:12B4:F895:C53E]] 07:30, 13 March 2026 (UTC)		:assuming it hasn't served as the core for a new diamond (with traces of gold). [[Special:Contributions/2001:1C02:1A9D:9700:14F6:12B4:F895:C53E\|2001:1C02:1A9D:9700:14F6:12B4:F895:C53E]] 07:30, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
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		+	If the image is to scale and not distorted, I don't think this operation will work. The free length of the cable being used to raise the plate is shorter than the distance from the ring to the open water in the depression above it. At some point, the clamp is going to make contact with the pulley, Upward motion will stop, and the ring will remain buried. [[User:These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For\|These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For]] ([[User talk:These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For\|talk]]) 05:25, 15 March 2026 (UTC)

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 :Presuming the ring landed in oceanic silt that is 'immediately' inexorably dragged down under the lip of the overlying plate, the effects of temperature would be minimal compared to a mid-plate depth (where it gets uncomfortable for miners). In addition, the water in the sediment would eat up the heat energy, given its extremely high enthalpy of vaporisation, up until the pressure drives that higher than the mineral/metal melting points (if indeed it does), further keeping the ring's neighbourhood cooler than it should be.
 :Pressure might be the big thing, depending on if the sediment layer that it lies in acts as a constant matrix to spread the load (i.e. not crush the ring), although you'd expect a mudstone-like process of compression (then metamorphic transition, once enough heat passed into it, probably before the gold suffered from pure temperature effects), so it might he distorted. But if it found itself being dragged through a thin enough faultline that the underlying and overlying bedrock were essentially rubbing together (the soft-stuff significantly squeezed out, but for some reason not the ring), then it'd be more like putting the ring between two millstones (but more so?), and it'd fragment and/or smear the gold ring. Any diamond might last longer before being shattered, however much it might gouge the passing rock away whenever it jammed, depending on how it was actually encased in other material. But various types of granite (as examples of the rock) melt at far less than half the temperature of diamond, lower still in the presence of water and pressure (possibly below gold, in those conditions?), so if a diamond (or even its ring) mechanically survives the process, it's probably going to still last a bit longer than the rock that's clearly still present and solid in the comic.
-:But it probably needs the attention of a good jeweler/repairer, at the very least. [Special:Contributions/82.132.238.116|82.132.238.116]] 13:11, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
+:But it probably needs the attention of a good jeweler/repairer, at the very least. [[Special:Contributions/82.132.238.116|82.132.238.116]] 13:11, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
 Given the vast forces at play here, standing on the section that's being drawn out seems... particularly inadvisable. [[Special:Contributions/82.13.184.33|82.13.184.33]] 10:59, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

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 :: Can't be: the PSA is for today only, so maybe they've taken time to set up their stuff but they only started pulling a few hours ago. Now possibly they've actually already ripped out a length of the same order as the distance to the ring, but then it's not sure the ring has been dragged up very efficiently, since it looks like it is sticking out above the plate surface. So I'd stand with my 12m guess, but I expect they'll need to extract much more to get to the ring. [[Special:Contributions/152.77.153.162|152.77.153.162]] 14:29, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
 :::"Wait a minute ... the guy who claims to have lost the ring, does he go by the name of Sauron, by any chance?" Came here for this. Actually, as a kid, the ring coming up in a volcano eruption ages later was always my favourite headcanon scenario for "The Lord of the Rings, Part II" --[[Special:Contributions/93.241.210.5|93.241.210.5]] 07:47, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
 Chances are that the ring melted being down that far. [[User:Dogman15|Dogman15]] ([[User talk:Dogman15|talk]]) 08:58, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
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 :Presuming the ring landed in oceanic silt that is 'immediately' inexorably dragged down under the lip of the overlying plate, the effects of temperature would be minimal compared to a mid-plate depth (where it gets uncomfortable for miners). In addition, the water in the sediment would eat up the heat energy, given its extremely high enthalpy of vaporisation, up until the pressure drives that higher than the mineral/metal melting points (if indeed it does), further keeping the ring's neighbourhood cooler than it should be.
 :Pressure might be the big thing, depending on if the sediment layer that it lies in acts as a constant matrix to spread the load (i.e. not crush the ring), although you'd expect a mudstone-like process of compression (then metamorphic transition, once enough heat passed into it, probably before the gold suffered from pure temperature effects), so it might he distorted. But if it found itself being dragged through a thin enough faultline that the underlying and overlying bedrock were essentially rubbing together (the soft-stuff significantly squeezed out, but for some reason not the ring), then it'd be more like putting the ring between two millstones (but more so?), and it'd fragment and/or smear the gold ring. Any diamond might last longer before being shattered, however much it might gouge the passing rock away whenever it jammed, depending on how it was actually encased in other material. But various types of granite (as examples of the rock) melt at far less than half the temperature of diamond, lower still in the presence of water and pressure (possibly below gold, in those conditions?), so if a diamond (or even its ring) mechanically survives the process, it's probably going to still last a bit longer than the rock that's clearly still present and solid in the comic.
-:But it probably needs the attention of a good jeweler/repairer, at the very least.[[Special:Contributions/82.132.238.116|82.132.238.116]] 13:11, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
+:But it probably needs the attention of a good jeweler/repairer, at the very least. [Special:Contributions/82.132.238.116|82.132.238.116]] 13:11, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
 Given the vast forces at play here, standing on the section that's being drawn out seems... particularly inadvisable. [[Special:Contributions/82.13.184.33|82.13.184.33]] 10:59, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
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 I thought throwing a ring in a geologically active high-pressure high-temperature structure was the only way to irreversibly lose it? [[Special:Contributions/89.233.195.138|89.233.195.138]]
-We’re coming upon the April fools comic soon[[User:Commercialegg|Commercialegg]] ([[User talk:Commercialegg|talk]]) 16:30, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
+We’re coming upon the April fools comic soon [[User:Commercialegg|Commercialegg]] ([[User talk:Commercialegg|talk]]) 16:30, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
 yet another subduction comic [[User:R128|R128]] ([[User talk:R128|talk]]) 18:27, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
-"Not safe for ever... There are many things in the deep waters and seasoned lands may change. And it is not our part here to take thought only for a season or for a few lives of men or for a passing age of the world."  When he's right, he's right. {{unsigned ip|192.5.18.7|18:59, 12 March 2026]}
+"Not safe for ever... There are many things in the deep waters and seasoned lands may change. And it is not our part here to take thought only for a season or for a few lives of men or for a passing age of the world."  When he's right, he's right. {{unsigned ip|192.5.18.7|18:59, 12 March 2026 (UTC)}}
 So how long until someone mining a piece of kimberlite from the mantle wonders why the diamond embedded in it looks like it's already been cut? I guess that must be the only way to tell one that's already been to the surface and back from one that's reaching it for the first time. [[User:Promethean|Promethean]] ([[User talk:Promethean|talk]]) 06:28, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
-:assuming it hasn't served as the core for a new diamond (with traces of gold).[[Special:Contributions/2001:1C02:1A9D:9700:14F6:12B4:F895:C53E|2001:1C02:1A9D:9700:14F6:12B4:F895:C53E]] 07:30, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
+:assuming it hasn't served as the core for a new diamond (with traces of gold). [[Special:Contributions/2001:1C02:1A9D:9700:14F6:12B4:F895:C53E|2001:1C02:1A9D:9700:14F6:12B4:F895:C53E]] 07:30, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

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	So how long until someone mining a piece of kimberlite from the mantle wonders why the diamond embedded in it looks like it's already been cut? I guess that must be the only way to tell one that's already been to the surface and back from one that's reaching it for the first time. [[User:Promethean\|Promethean]] ([[User talk:Promethean\|talk]]) 06:28, 13 March 2026 (UTC)		So how long until someone mining a piece of kimberlite from the mantle wonders why the diamond embedded in it looks like it's already been cut? I guess that must be the only way to tell one that's already been to the surface and back from one that's reaching it for the first time. [[User:Promethean\|Promethean]] ([[User talk:Promethean\|talk]]) 06:28, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
		+	:assuming it hasn't served as the core for a new diamond (with traces of gold).[[Special:Contributions/2001:1C02:1A9D:9700:14F6:12B4:F895:C53E\|2001:1C02:1A9D:9700:14F6:12B4:F895:C53E]] 07:30, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

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	"Not safe for ever... There are many things in the deep waters and seasoned lands may change. And it is not our part here to take thought only for a season or for a few lives of men or for a passing age of the world." When he's right, he's right. {{unsigned ip\|192.5.18.7\|18:59, 12 March 2026]}		"Not safe for ever... There are many things in the deep waters and seasoned lands may change. And it is not our part here to take thought only for a season or for a few lives of men or for a passing age of the world." When he's right, he's right. {{unsigned ip\|192.5.18.7\|18:59, 12 March 2026]}

−	So how long until someone mining a piece of kimberlite from the mantle wonders why the diamond embedded in it looks like it's already been cut? [[User:Promethean\|Promethean]] ([[User talk:Promethean\|talk]]) 06:28, 13 March 2026 (UTC)	+	So how long until someone mining a piece of kimberlite from the mantle wonders why the diamond embedded in it looks like it's already been cut? I guess that must be the only way to tell one that's already been to the surface and back from one that's reaching it for the first time. [[User:Promethean\|Promethean]] ([[User talk:Promethean\|talk]]) 06:28, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

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	"Not safe for ever... There are many things in the deep waters and seasoned lands may change. And it is not our part here to take thought only for a season or for a few lives of men or for a passing age of the world." When he's right, he's right. {{unsigned ip\|192.5.18.7\|18:59, 12 March 2026]}		"Not safe for ever... There are many things in the deep waters and seasoned lands may change. And it is not our part here to take thought only for a season or for a few lives of men or for a passing age of the world." When he's right, he's right. {{unsigned ip\|192.5.18.7\|18:59, 12 March 2026]}
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		+	So how long until someone mining a piece of kimberlite from the mantle wonders why the diamond embedded in it looks like it's already been cut? [[User:Promethean\|Promethean]] ([[User talk:Promethean\|talk]]) 06:28, 13 March 2026 (UTC)