Talk:3229: Grammar - Revision history

81.179.199.253 at 20:40, 16 April 2026

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DollarStoreBa'al at 15:55, 16 April 2026

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85.115.54.203: Word cloud and body odour

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Word cloud and body odour

80.187.127.159: Clarifying the distinction between ungrammatical and non-grammatical

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Clarifying the distinction between ungrammatical and non-grammatical

Somefan: traditional grammar

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traditional grammar

2601:1C0:8083:4230:2A20:D378:C6F5:EFF2: Yorue

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Yorue

Pganon: Think that's the way forward

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Think that's the way forward

Kelvin128 at 16:38, 8 April 2026

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45.178.3.34 at 14:34, 8 April 2026

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82.13.184.33 at 13:09, 8 April 2026

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	It's quite easy to communicate by the changing pitch and volume of the screech.--'''''[[User:DollarStoreBa'al\|<span style="font-family:Times; color:#023020">DollarStoreBa'al</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:DollarStoreBa'al\|<span style="font-family:Times; color:#000080">'''''converse'''''</span>]]</sup> 15:55, 16 April 2026 (UTC)		It's quite easy to communicate by the changing pitch and volume of the screech.--'''''[[User:DollarStoreBa'al\|<span style="font-family:Times; color:#023020">DollarStoreBa'al</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:DollarStoreBa'al\|<span style="font-family:Times; color:#000080">'''''converse'''''</span>]]</sup> 15:55, 16 April 2026 (UTC)
		+	:And, theoretically, the (apparently unchanging) example in the comic delivers a message of its own, unique to "low and soft, endiing high and loud" and every other remodulation.
		+	:Or even the {{w\|Letters of last resort#Process\|presence/absence}} of some signal itself can reveal whether a given communicatable message is to be coneyed. [[Special:Contributions/81.179.199.253\|81.179.199.253]] 20:40, 16 April 2026 (UTC)

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	Maybe Lenhart meant {{w\|traditional grammar\|''traditional'' grammar}}? -- <span style="letter-spacing:0.1rem">[[User:Somefan\|somefan]] ([[User talk:Somefan\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Somefan\|contribs]])</span> 19:06, 8 April 2026 (UTC)		Maybe Lenhart meant {{w\|traditional grammar\|''traditional'' grammar}}? -- <span style="letter-spacing:0.1rem">[[User:Somefan\|somefan]] ([[User talk:Somefan\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Somefan\|contribs]])</span> 19:06, 8 April 2026 (UTC)
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		+	It's quite easy to communicate by the changing pitch and volume of the screech.--'''''[[User:DollarStoreBa'al\|<span style="font-family:Times; color:#023020">DollarStoreBa'al</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:DollarStoreBa'al\|<span style="font-family:Times; color:#000080">'''''converse'''''</span>]]</sup> 15:55, 16 April 2026 (UTC)

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 :Well, the Random Words one ''seems'' to have no particular structure beyond being word-utterances, and the EEEEEEEEEEEEEE one doesn't even have much that ''can'' be structuralised (though I'm half expecting it to actually supposed to be a modem 'yowl', it needn't even be that), so I'm willing to bet that this exempts them from any consistent quality of being grammar. [[Special:Contributions/81.179.199.253|81.179.199.253]] 00:08, 7 April 2026 (UTC)
 : The second example used the term word-s which in itself is a structure with grammar. And the last example might well have grammar, if eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee is a single morpheme, we siply wouldn't be able to recognize the grammar. [[Special:Contributions/195.65.24.115|195.65.24.115]]
 I interpreted "words order words random words words random good" differently. I assumed it was missing commas and should be read as "words-order", "words-random" "words-words" "random-good". Maybe(probably?) not what Randall intended, but if anyone interpreted it the same as me, you're not alone! {{unsigned ip|69.204.108.174|00:23, 7 April 2026 (UTC)}}

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 :: your non-grammatical [[Special:Contributions/45.178.3.34|45.178.3.34]] 14:34, 8 April 2026 (UTC)
 :::*Yorue'roe'r
 Any "competitors" to grammar would still be grammars since a grammar, by definition, describes how a language is structured. [[Special:Contributions/75.248.235.98|75.248.235.98]] 00:00, 7 April 2026 (UTC)

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	Language is not about communicating "facts" or propositions. It is a behaviour which benefits an individual by influencing the behaviour of a second individual to the benefit of the first.		Language is not about communicating "facts" or propositions. It is a behaviour which benefits an individual by influencing the behaviour of a second individual to the benefit of the first.
	[[User:Kelvin128\|Kelvin128]] ([[User talk:Kelvin128\|talk]]) 16:38, 8 April 2026 (UTC)		[[User:Kelvin128\|Kelvin128]] ([[User talk:Kelvin128\|talk]]) 16:38, 8 April 2026 (UTC)
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		+	Maybe Lenhart meant {{w\|traditional grammar\|''traditional'' grammar}}? -- <span style="letter-spacing:0.1rem">[[User:Somefan\|somefan]] ([[User talk:Somefan\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Somefan\|contribs]])</span> 19:06, 8 April 2026 (UTC)

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 I believe this is a reference to frequent weird results that Google AI mode sometimes returns after a search. I got this exact behavior twice. --[[Special:Contributions/82.132.222.151|82.132.222.151]] 12:42, 8 April 2026 (UTC)
 Language is not about communicating "facts" or propositions. It is a behaviour which benefits an individual by influencing the behaviour of a second individual to the benefit of the first.
 [[User:Kelvin128|Kelvin128]] ([[User talk:Kelvin128|talk]]) 16:38, 8 April 2026 (UTC)

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	I believe this is a reference to frequent weird results that Google AI mode sometimes returns after a search. I got this exact behavior twice. --[[Special:Contributions/82.132.222.151\|82.132.222.151]] 12:42, 8 April 2026 (UTC)		I believe this is a reference to frequent weird results that Google AI mode sometimes returns after a search. I got this exact behavior twice. --[[Special:Contributions/82.132.222.151\|82.132.222.151]] 12:42, 8 April 2026 (UTC)
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		+	Language is not about communicating "facts" or propositions. It is a behaviour which benefits an individual by influencing the behaviour of a second individual to the benefit of the first.
		+	[[User:Kelvin128\|Kelvin128]] ([[User talk:Kelvin128\|talk]]) 16:38, 8 April 2026 (UTC)

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 :I still say that Video2000 was the superior home VCR format, in every way...[[Special:Contributions/81.179.199.253|81.179.199.253]] 23:55, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
 : Not really niche - a significant proportion of spoken language is non-grammatical. [[Special:Contributions/82.13.184.33|82.13.184.33]] 16:27, 7 April 2026 (UTC)
 Any "competitors" to grammar would still be grammars since a grammar, by definition, describes how a language is structured. [[Special:Contributions/75.248.235.98|75.248.235.98]] 00:00, 7 April 2026 (UTC)

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	This reminds me of a linguistics forum post a professor showed my class once. "I respect Chomsky, but Universal Grammar isn't all it's cracked up to be," it read. "The best way to learn a language is through immersion!" [[User:Flipping Mackerel\|Flipping Mackerel]] ([[User talk:Flipping Mackerel\|talk]]) 11:46, 8 April 2026 (UTC)		This reminds me of a linguistics forum post a professor showed my class once. "I respect Chomsky, but Universal Grammar isn't all it's cracked up to be," it read. "The best way to learn a language is through immersion!" [[User:Flipping Mackerel\|Flipping Mackerel]] ([[User talk:Flipping Mackerel\|talk]]) 11:46, 8 April 2026 (UTC)
		+	: The best way to learn a language is a correspondence course. [[Special:Contributions/82.13.184.33\|82.13.184.33]] 13:09, 8 April 2026 (UTC)

	I believe this is a reference to frequent weird results that Google AI mode sometimes returns after a search. I got this exact behavior twice. --[[Special:Contributions/82.132.222.151\|82.132.222.151]] 12:42, 8 April 2026 (UTC)		I believe this is a reference to frequent weird results that Google AI mode sometimes returns after a search. I got this exact behavior twice. --[[Special:Contributions/82.132.222.151\|82.132.222.151]] 12:42, 8 April 2026 (UTC)