Talk:370: Redwall - Revision history

172.71.147.98: /* Title Text: Redwall + Jurassic Park */

2024-01-14T19:38:28Z

‎Title Text: Redwall + Jurassic Park

172.71.214.210 at 03:24, 21 December 2023

2023-12-21T03:24:29Z

172.71.214.210 at 03:24, 21 December 2023

2023-12-21T03:24:03Z

172.69.166.15: /* Title Text: Redwall + Jurassic Park */

2023-12-20T03:36:04Z

‎Title Text: Redwall + Jurassic Park

ProphetZarquon: /* Title Text: Redwall + Jurassic Park */ new section

2023-12-19T21:04:42Z

‎Title Text: Redwall + Jurassic Park: new section

ProphetZarquon: Did Randall really lie about "by Satan's whiskers", or is the preceding comment incorrect?

2023-12-19T20:58:17Z

Did Randall really lie about "by Satan's whiskers", or is the preceding comment incorrect?

Nitpicking: Satan <> Devil

2023-12-19T13:14:33Z

Satan <> Devil

172.70.86.22: Do a proper job, old and new.

2023-08-02T14:14:01Z

Do a proper job, old and new.

172.69.58.134 at 13:32, 2 August 2023

2023-08-02T13:32:06Z

108.162.246.244: Commented about how LOTR is not actually a racist work.

2021-12-16T20:28:43Z

Commented about how LOTR is not actually a racist work.

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	It could be a reference to how mammals supplanted dinosaurs as the most visible form of animal life on the planet, starting with rodents (mice, as in Redwall). Or it could just be that the title characters, being mice, would be easily eaten by a dinosaur for black comedy. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.166.15\|172.69.166.15]] 03:36, 20 December 2023 (UTC)		It could be a reference to how mammals supplanted dinosaurs as the most visible form of animal life on the planet, starting with rodents (mice, as in Redwall). Or it could just be that the title characters, being mice, would be easily eaten by a dinosaur for black comedy. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.166.15\|172.69.166.15]] 03:36, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
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		+	I imagine it would be some kind of clash between Redwall's theme of following the riddles wherever they lead in order to find treasure or victory, and Jurassic Park's themes of meddling with forces beyond your control and life finding a way despite your best efforts. That, or the dinosaurs on Isla Nublar developing a Redwall-like society. --[[Special:Contributions/172.71.147.98\|172.71.147.98]] 19:38, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

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 ;Religious Objections to Redwall do exist
 Reading Redwall as a religious child, I got quite angry at all the subtle digs at religion. It's quite clear that the Redwall universe has no gods, other than ascended heroes, who usually just reincarnate anyway. The churches and monasteries don't seem to have any particular reason for existing. All the bad guys are named after notable Christian saints/monks. [[Special:Contributions/66.202.132.250|66.202.132.250]] 16:16, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
-:That's because Redwall never took the world by storm or was a craze everybody had heard about. It's easier to take a stand on and rally support against something that's in the cultural mainstream, appearing everywhere you turn. ####
+:That's because Redwall never took the world by storm or was a craze everybody had heard about. It's easier to take a stand on and rally support against something that's in the cultural mainstream, appearing everywhere you turn. [[Special:Contributions/172.71.214.210|172.71.214.210]] 03:24, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 :Worth noting, there is technically no explicit reference to 'Satan' in the text of any Redwall novel. -- [[User:Observer14|Observer14]] ([[User talk:Observer14|talk]]) 23:22, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
 ::No one says "by Satan's whiskers"? That seems a very odd point for the comic to make groundlessly... Is it possible you ran the Find on a revised edition?

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 ;Religious Objections to Redwall do exist
 Reading Redwall as a religious child, I got quite angry at all the subtle digs at religion. It's quite clear that the Redwall universe has no gods, other than ascended heroes, who usually just reincarnate anyway. The churches and monasteries don't seem to have any particular reason for existing. All the bad guys are named after notable Christian saints/monks. [[Special:Contributions/66.202.132.250|66.202.132.250]] 16:16, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
 :Worth noting, there is technically no explicit reference to 'Satan' in the text of any Redwall novel. -- [[User:Observer14|Observer14]] ([[User talk:Observer14|talk]]) 23:22, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
 ::No one says "by Satan's whiskers"? That seems a very odd point for the comic to make groundlessly... Is it possible you ran the Find on a revised edition?

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	What would this even mean? I've seen Jurassic Park (even though it's a Michael Chrichton story), but I haven't read Redwall. I don't think I get the title-text's joke?		What would this even mean? I've seen Jurassic Park (even though it's a Michael Chrichton story), but I haven't read Redwall. I don't think I get the title-text's joke?
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		+	It could be a reference to how mammals supplanted dinosaurs as the most visible form of animal life on the planet, starting with rodents (mice, as in Redwall). Or it could just be that the title characters, being mice, would be easily eaten by a dinosaur for black comedy. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.166.15\|172.69.166.15]] 03:36, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

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	It's worth noting that one of the biggest critics of racism in LOTR was Tolkien himself, who spent a good deal of ink and thought trying to reconcile the Orc Problem. {{unsigned ip\|172.69.58.134\|13:32, 2 August 2023}}		It's worth noting that one of the biggest critics of racism in LOTR was Tolkien himself, who spent a good deal of ink and thought trying to reconcile the Orc Problem. {{unsigned ip\|172.69.58.134\|13:32, 2 August 2023}}
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		+	== Title Text: Redwall + Jurassic Park ==
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		+	What would this even mean? I've seen Jurassic Park (even though it's a Michael Chrichton story), but I haven't read Redwall. I don't think I get the title-text's joke?

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	There was a moment during "Mossflower" where Martin, almost dead from his fight with the wildcat queen lady woman, was conversing with a dead badger lord through the gates of whatever their afterlife is, though you get the impression it's Heaven (or some place where the good beasts go). Also sorry to burst Observer14's bubble but in Redwall there is that moment when one of the rats in Cluny's army (or however you spell it) gets killed by their out-of-control hay cart and Cluny says, "Tell the devil Cluny sent you." {{unsigned ip\|173.245.50.117}}		There was a moment during "Mossflower" where Martin, almost dead from his fight with the wildcat queen lady woman, was conversing with a dead badger lord through the gates of whatever their afterlife is, though you get the impression it's Heaven (or some place where the good beasts go). Also sorry to burst Observer14's bubble but in Redwall there is that moment when one of the rats in Cluny's army (or however you spell it) gets killed by their out-of-control hay cart and Cluny says, "Tell the devil Cluny sent you." {{unsigned ip\|173.245.50.117}}
		+	:I suspect Observer14 was making the point that the Devil and Satan are not the same person, Biblically. Ha-Satan ("The Opposer") is an angel from the Job story, whose job appears to be to advocate against people. The Devil figure doesn't really appear until centuries later in Christianity, and not in any Jewish writings. Conflating Satan with the Devil (and with the Serpent) is a surprisingly late Christian thing, it isn't in the original sources. [[User:Nitpicking\|Nitpicking]] ([[User talk:Nitpicking\|talk]]) 13:14, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

	It might benefit from an explanation of why Redwall and LOTR have racist undertones and moral absolutes? [[Special:Contributions/108.162.210.211\|108.162.210.211]] sjwist-number-one		It might benefit from an explanation of why Redwall and LOTR have racist undertones and moral absolutes? [[Special:Contributions/108.162.210.211\|108.162.210.211]] sjwist-number-one

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 This is an excellent breakdown of the alleged racism in LOTR. As for moral absolutes, there is a personal deity in Tolkien mythology, so he dictates what is morally acceptable.
-https://middle-earth.xenite.org/is-it-true-there-is-racism-in-the-lord-of-the-rings/ {{unsigned ip|127.0.0.1}}
+https://middle-earth.xenite.org/is-it-true-there-is-racism-in-the-lord-of-the-rings/ {{unsigned ip|108.162.246.244|20:28, 16 December 2021}}
-It's worth noting that one of the biggest critics of racism in LOTR was Tolkien himself, who spent a good deal of ink and thought trying to reconcile the Orc Problem.
+It's worth noting that one of the biggest critics of racism in LOTR was Tolkien himself, who spent a good deal of ink and thought trying to reconcile the Orc Problem. {{unsigned ip|172.69.58.134|13:32, 2 August 2023}}

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	This is an excellent breakdown of the alleged racism in LOTR. As for moral absolutes, there is a personal deity in Tolkien mythology, so he dictates what is morally acceptable.		This is an excellent breakdown of the alleged racism in LOTR. As for moral absolutes, there is a personal deity in Tolkien mythology, so he dictates what is morally acceptable.
−	https://middle-earth.xenite.org/is-it-true-there-is-racism-in-the-lord-of-the-rings/	+	https://middle-earth.xenite.org/is-it-true-there-is-racism-in-the-lord-of-the-rings/ {{unsigned ip\|127.0.0.1}}
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		+	It's worth noting that one of the biggest critics of racism in LOTR was Tolkien himself, who spent a good deal of ink and thought trying to reconcile the Orc Problem.

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	It might benefit from an explanation of why Redwall and LOTR have racist undertones and moral absolutes? [[Special:Contributions/108.162.210.211\|108.162.210.211]] sjwist-number-one		It might benefit from an explanation of why Redwall and LOTR have racist undertones and moral absolutes? [[Special:Contributions/108.162.210.211\|108.162.210.211]] sjwist-number-one
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		+	This is an excellent breakdown of the alleged racism in LOTR. As for moral absolutes, there is a personal deity in Tolkien mythology, so he dictates what is morally acceptable.
		+	https://middle-earth.xenite.org/is-it-true-there-is-racism-in-the-lord-of-the-rings/