Talk:743: Infrastructures - Revision history

L-Space Traveler at 11:55, 29 October 2022

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172.70.162.5 at 14:26, 28 October 2022

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L-Space Traveler at 12:07, 28 October 2022

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172.70.86.10 at 11:54, 28 October 2022

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L-Space Traveler at 11:12, 28 October 2022

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172.70.135.122: /* Thingiverse entry */ new section

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‎Thingiverse entry: new section

172.70.86.44 at 22:01, 15 April 2022

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172.70.86.44 at 21:55, 15 April 2022

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141.101.99.154: Talk: I'm fine with open source but this comic represents what I dislike about some of its proponents.

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Talk: I'm fine with open source but this comic represents what I dislike about some of its proponents.

Beanie at 14:29, 22 April 2021

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 :::Just from my own experience: Imagine you're miming playing a violin, one hand supporting the neck, the other bowing a bow, the whole thing being tucked into ''your'' neck. Now imagine the violin has vastly shrunk and pull your necking/bowing hands proportionately closer in accordingly (and, optionally, shortening the bowing into smaller, quicker movements, but you can try to use a full-sized bow - it's just ''really close'' to you now). I know of no other way to reliably indicate a violin (and, by the latter, a really tiny one), and none with just one hand. The above fingers/thumbs description presumably means bowing the fingers across the 'violin' thumb, which would at ''least'' look more like playing a cello. Of course there are regional variations to most things, but I would have thought I'd have seen this on American media.
 :::It indeed reads more like the 'universal' gesture demanding cash, insofar as I can try to replicate the gesture, with either hand, but I don't know what the remaining two fingers are supposed to be doing, or how to stop the thumb wriggling notably). [[Special:Contributions/172.70.162.5|172.70.162.5]] 14:26, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
 == Thingiverse entry ==
 this comic says it was uploaded may 21, 2010, but the thingiverse open source violin was uploaded may 20! how???[[Special:Contributions/172.70.135.122|172.70.135.122]] 00:18, 26 October 2022 (UTC)Bumpf

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 :Did not see this when I decided to unremove it. But I also don't believe this no-violin version. (Actually "playing the smallest violin" is done with two hands under the chin, IME, the 'official' version sounds more a "show me the money" gesture than anything violin-related.) Fingers are exceedingly rare in xkcd figures, but the pen-strokes would excellently fit an upraised palm with a small object (violin) sat upon it, at this resolution (pity there's no _2x version?). Given that, I say we should at least acknowledge the possible presence. Perhaps note how the official version (seemingly) indicates otherwise, but not clearing it out altogether. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.86.10|172.70.86.10]] 11:54, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
 ::I've never seen the under-the-chin version you mention in-person - maybe there are regional variations? In any case, I still don't see it, but I won't argue. I guess if they were all obvious, we wouldn't need the "explain". :) [[User:L-Space Traveler|L-Space Traveler]] ([[User talk:L-Space Traveler|talk]]) 12:07, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
 == Thingiverse entry ==
 this comic says it was uploaded may 21, 2010, but the thingiverse open source violin was uploaded may 20! how???[[Special:Contributions/172.70.135.122|172.70.135.122]] 00:18, 26 October 2022 (UTC)Bumpf

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 Removed statement that the bearded man is actually holding a physical tiny violin: I see no basis for this interpretation, and the [https://xkcd.com/743/info.0.json official xkcd transcript] refutes it: it states that "the bearded fellow rubs his index and middle fingers against his thumb" - which is the typical gesture to accompany this quip. [[User:L-Space Traveler|L-Space Traveler]] ([[User talk:L-Space Traveler|talk]]) 11:12, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
 :Did not see this when I decided to unremove it. But I also don't believe this no-violin version. (Actually "playing the smallest violin" is done with two hands under the chin, IME, the 'official' version sounds more a "show me the money" gesture than anything violin-related.) Fingers are exceedingly rare in xkcd figures, but the pen-strokes would excellently fit an upraised palm with a small object (violin) sat upon it, at this resolution (pity there's no _2x version?). Given that, I say we should at least acknowledge the possible presence. Perhaps note how the official version (seemingly) indicates otherwise, but not clearing it out altogether. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.86.10|172.70.86.10]] 11:54, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
 == Thingiverse entry ==
 this comic says it was uploaded may 21, 2010, but the thingiverse open source violin was uploaded may 20! how???[[Special:Contributions/172.70.135.122|172.70.135.122]] 00:18, 26 October 2022 (UTC)Bumpf

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 Removed statement that the bearded man is actually holding a physical tiny violin: I see no basis for this interpretation, and the [https://xkcd.com/743/info.0.json official xkcd transcript] refutes it: it states that "the bearded fellow rubs his index and middle fingers against his thumb" - which is the typical gesture to accompany this quip. [[User:L-Space Traveler|L-Space Traveler]] ([[User talk:L-Space Traveler|talk]]) 11:12, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
 == Thingiverse entry ==
 this comic says it was uploaded may 21, 2010, but the thingiverse open source violin was uploaded may 20! how???[[Special:Contributions/172.70.135.122|172.70.135.122]] 00:18, 26 October 2022 (UTC)Bumpf

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 'Let me press F on the world's smallest keyboard.' [[User:Beanie|Beanie]] ([[User talk:Beanie|talk]]) 14:29, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
 == Thingiverse entry ==
 this comic says it was uploaded may 21, 2010, but the thingiverse open source violin was uploaded may 20! how???[[Special:Contributions/172.70.135.122|172.70.135.122]] 00:18, 26 October 2022 (UTC)Bumpf

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	'Let me press F on the world's smallest keyboard.' [[User:Beanie\|Beanie]] ([[User talk:Beanie\|talk]]) 14:29, 22 April 2021 (UTC)		'Let me press F on the world's smallest keyboard.' [[User:Beanie\|Beanie]] ([[User talk:Beanie\|talk]]) 14:29, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
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		+	this comic says it was uploaded may 21, 2010, but the thingiverse open source violin was uploaded may 20! how???[[Special:Contributions/172.70.135.122\|172.70.135.122]] 00:18, 26 October 2022 (UTC)Bumpf

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	'Let me press F on the world's smallest keyboard.' [[User:Beanie\|Beanie]] ([[User talk:Beanie\|talk]]) 14:29, 22 April 2021 (UTC)		'Let me press F on the world's smallest keyboard.' [[User:Beanie\|Beanie]] ([[User talk:Beanie\|talk]]) 14:29, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
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−	I feel like this comic is quite one-sided. I can understand most of Cueball's reaction (of course apart from the "probably autistic" part) since "Beardie" is being quite pedantic about Cueball's file format choice.
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−	I respect people's choice to go open-source, and I see benefit in providing open source software for education and those people's peace of mind but I personally do not care myself and I resent when people try to "convert" others to use open-source technology especially when those people don't have the will to.
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−	What does Facebook have to do with .doc formats? I don't believe Microsoft Office products collect personal data in the same way that Facebook does, at least not enough relevant data to build an "advertising profile". I really don't like Facebook myself, you can use one but not the other.
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−	This comic seems like it may be misrepresenting the arguments of people who don't prioritise open-source availability, as well as using two unrelated scenarios to prove a point. I believe it's the weakest xkcd comic. It doesn't seem to represent how Randall feels about closed-source products in the modern day.
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−	~~Sorry for the long paragraphs, it's just what I think 😅.~~
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 What does Facebook have to do with .doc formats? I don't believe Microsoft Office products collect personal data in the same way that Facebook does, at least not enough relevant data to build an "advertising profile". I really don't like Facebook myself, you can use one but not the other.
-Sorry for the long paragraph, it's just what I think 😅.
+This comic seems like it may be misrepresenting the arguments of people who don't prioritise open-source availability, as well as using two unrelated scenarios to prove a point. I believe it's the weakest xkcd comic. It doesn't seem to represent how Randall feels about closed-source products in the modern day.
 --[[Special:Contributions/141.101.99.154|141.101.99.154]] 10:59, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

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	'Let me press F on the world's smallest keyboard.' [[User:Beanie\|Beanie]] ([[User talk:Beanie\|talk]]) 14:29, 22 April 2021 (UTC)		'Let me press F on the world's smallest keyboard.' [[User:Beanie\|Beanie]] ([[User talk:Beanie\|talk]]) 14:29, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
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		+	I feel like this comic is quite one-sided. I can understand most of Cueball's reaction (of course apart from the "probably autistic" part) since "Beardie" is being quite pedantic about Cueball's file format choice.
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		+	I respect people's choice to go open-source, and I see benefit in providing open source software for education and those people's peace of mind but I personally do not care myself and I resent when people try to "convert" others to use open-source technology especially when those people don't have the will to.
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		+	What does Facebook have to do with .doc formats? I don't believe Microsoft Office products collect personal data in the same way that Facebook does, at least not enough relevant data to build an "advertising profile". I really don't like Facebook myself, you can use one but not the other.
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		+	Sorry for the long paragraph, it's just what I think 😅.
		+	--[[Special:Contributions/141.101.99.154\|141.101.99.154]] 10:59, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

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	Why is playing "the world's tiniest open-source violin" described as "dubious"? Cueball has, in spite of warnings, engaged in and encouraged the spread of the use of an infrastructure which will have the inevitable effect of handing control of all his data to psychopathic corporations. The Bearded One surely has a right to have no pity, and in effect say "Told you so". [[Special:Contributions/162.158.38.94\|162.158.38.94]] 09:18, 25 January 2019 (UTC)		Why is playing "the world's tiniest open-source violin" described as "dubious"? Cueball has, in spite of warnings, engaged in and encouraged the spread of the use of an infrastructure which will have the inevitable effect of handing control of all his data to psychopathic corporations. The Bearded One surely has a right to have no pity, and in effect say "Told you so". [[Special:Contributions/162.158.38.94\|162.158.38.94]] 09:18, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
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		+	'Let me press F on the world's smallest keyboard.' [[User:Beanie\|Beanie]] ([[User talk:Beanie\|talk]]) 14:29, 22 April 2021 (UTC)