Talk:765: Dilution - Revision history

82.132.236.50 at 15:25, 18 February 2026

2026-02-18T15:25:09Z

DollarStoreBa'al: actual note

2026-02-18T14:48:49Z

actual note

DollarStoreBa'al: not

2026-02-18T14:45:13Z

not

2600:4041:594C:3700:A501:609:EFEA:E529: no chatgpt

2026-02-17T18:57:59Z

no chatgpt

162.158.216.82 at 20:01, 17 April 2025

2025-04-17T20:01:19Z

FaviFake at 16:42, 17 April 2025

2025-04-17T16:42:08Z

172.71.164.38: Added comment connecting homeopathy to vaccinations!

2025-04-16T19:36:07Z

Added comment connecting homeopathy to vaccinations!

42.book.addict at 18:41, 5 November 2024

2024-11-05T18:41:51Z

162.158.62.63 at 03:30, 2 February 2021

2021-02-02T03:30:19Z

172.68.34.106 at 20:21, 30 May 2018

2018-05-30T20:21:37Z

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	I love AI bros deciding to use AI instead of 1)thinking or 2) looking it up on Wikipedia. It's my favorite thing ever! --'''''[[User:DollarStoreBa'al\|<span style="color:#3c2004">DollarStoreBa'al</span>]]<sup>[[User Talk:DollarStoreBa'al\|<span style="color:#1E0F00">Converse</span>]]</sup> (BLM) 14:45, 18 February 2026 (UTC)		I love AI bros deciding to use AI instead of 1)thinking or 2) looking it up on Wikipedia. It's my favorite thing ever! --'''''[[User:DollarStoreBa'al\|<span style="color:#3c2004">DollarStoreBa'al</span>]]<sup>[[User Talk:DollarStoreBa'al\|<span style="color:#1E0F00">Converse</span>]]</sup> (BLM) 14:45, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
	:Also, on an actual note, has nobody noticed that Megan says <nowiki>'</nowiki>'''''We'll''''' be sure to get pregnant now!<nowiki>'</nowiki>? What's the meaning of this odd wording? --'''''[[User:DollarStoreBa'al\|<span style="color:#3c2004">DollarStoreBa'al</span>]]<sup>[[User Talk:DollarStoreBa'al\|<span style="color:#1E0F00">Converse</span>]]</sup> (BLM) 14:48, 18 February 2026 (UTC)		:Also, on an actual note, has nobody noticed that Megan says <nowiki>'</nowiki>'''''We'll''''' be sure to get pregnant now!<nowiki>'</nowiki>? What's the meaning of this odd wording? --'''''[[User:DollarStoreBa'al\|<span style="color:#3c2004">DollarStoreBa'al</span>]]<sup>[[User Talk:DollarStoreBa'al\|<span style="color:#1E0F00">Converse</span>]]</sup> (BLM) 14:48, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
		+	::Not so odd. Parents (both mother and father) might be considering the pregnancy a joint enterprise. Which it normally is, even if one partner 'only' ever needs to partipate for a conceivably (NPI!) brief stage of the process.
		+	::It's an inclusive phrase, at least as long as both of those concerned are truly as mutually invested in the event as each other (either of them might use "we're pregnant", when the other might consider it as "I am pregnant" - or "she is").
		+	::It's also not unusual for the father to announce (to his friends/workmates) that ''he'' is having a baby when (seahorses aside) that's not strictly accurate. "She's pregnant", on the other hand, leads to ambiguity about whether he's expecting that to be taken as good news or bad news. Him saying "we're (pregnant/having a baby/whatever)" is definitely edging towards a more rightfully empathetic (and usually happy) attitude towards his partner's condition, even if (especially at the point when she's asking for more gas-and-air) she might still consider that statement a ''little'' presumptuous.
		+	::But, at this early stage (especially with an apparently equally enthusiastic partner, though presumably misguided, given the reliance upon homeopathy like this - unless it's a somewhat subtle subversion/sabotage of the process by him) the mother-to-be using "we" is certainly a not a particularly extraordinary turn of phrase. [[Special:Contributions/82.132.236.50\|82.132.236.50]] 15:25, 18 February 2026 (UTC)

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	I love AI bros deciding to use AI instead of 1)thinking or 2) looking it up on Wikipedia. It's my favorite thing ever! --'''''[[User:DollarStoreBa'al\|<span style="color:#3c2004">DollarStoreBa'al</span>]]<sup>[[User Talk:DollarStoreBa'al\|<span style="color:#1E0F00">Converse</span>]]</sup> (BLM) 14:45, 18 February 2026 (UTC)		I love AI bros deciding to use AI instead of 1)thinking or 2) looking it up on Wikipedia. It's my favorite thing ever! --'''''[[User:DollarStoreBa'al\|<span style="color:#3c2004">DollarStoreBa'al</span>]]<sup>[[User Talk:DollarStoreBa'al\|<span style="color:#1E0F00">Converse</span>]]</sup> (BLM) 14:45, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
		+	:Also, on an actual note, has nobody noticed that Megan says <nowiki>'</nowiki>'''''We'll''''' be sure to get pregnant now!<nowiki>'</nowiki>? What's the meaning of this odd wording? --'''''[[User:DollarStoreBa'al\|<span style="color:#3c2004">DollarStoreBa'al</span>]]<sup>[[User Talk:DollarStoreBa'al\|<span style="color:#1E0F00">Converse</span>]]</sup> (BLM) 14:48, 18 February 2026 (UTC)

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	"Homeopathy is the belief that poisons, bacteria, and other harmful substances can actually cure the diseases they normally cause, if they are administered in sufficiently dilute form." Isn't that kind of like a vaccination? (I'm just ragebaiting!)[[Special:Contributions/172.71.164.38\|172.71.164.38]]		"Homeopathy is the belief that poisons, bacteria, and other harmful substances can actually cure the diseases they normally cause, if they are administered in sufficiently dilute form." Isn't that kind of like a vaccination? (I'm just ragebaiting!)[[Special:Contributions/172.71.164.38\|172.71.164.38]]
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		+	I love AI bros deciding to use AI instead of 1)thinking or 2) looking it up on Wikipedia. It's my favorite thing ever! --'''''[[User:DollarStoreBa'al\|<span style="color:#3c2004">DollarStoreBa'al</span>]]<sup>[[User Talk:DollarStoreBa'al\|<span style="color:#1E0F00">Converse</span>]]</sup> (BLM) 14:45, 18 February 2026 (UTC)

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	"Homeopathy is the belief that poisons, bacteria, and other harmful substances can actually cure the diseases they normally cause, if they are administered in sufficiently dilute form." Isn't that kind of like a vaccination? (I'm just ragebaiting!)[[Special:Contributions/172.71.164.38\|172.71.164.38]]		"Homeopathy is the belief that poisons, bacteria, and other harmful substances can actually cure the diseases they normally cause, if they are administered in sufficiently dilute form." Isn't that kind of like a vaccination? (I'm just ragebaiting!)[[Special:Contributions/172.71.164.38\|172.71.164.38]]
−	~~:From chatgpt:~~
−	:Homeopathy is based on two main principles: "like cures like" (substances that cause symptoms in healthy people can treat similar symptoms in sick people) and "law of infinitesimals" (the more diluted a substance is, the more potent it becomes). Homeopathic remedies are typically diluted to such an extreme degree that no molecules of the original substance remain in the final preparation.
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−	:Vaccines, on the other hand, work by exposing the immune system to weakened or inactive parts of a pathogen (or synthetic analogs), triggering the production of antibodies and memory cells. This creates immunity without causing the disease. Importantly:
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−	~~:Vaccines contain measurable amounts of antigen material that directly stimulate the immune system~~
−	~~:The biological mechanism of vaccines is well-understood and demonstrable~~
−	~~:Vaccines have been rigorously tested in clinical trials showing their effectiveness~~
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−	:While both approaches might superficially appear to follow a "like treats like" philosophy, vaccines have a clear biological mechanism supported by extensive scientific evidence, whereas homeopathy's proposed mechanisms (like "water memory") contradict established principles of chemistry and physics. --[[User:FaviFake\|FaviFake]] ([[User talk:FaviFake\|talk]]) 16:42, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
−	::I wasn't going to bother to reply to the ragebaiting, but now I want to say that you don't need to "ask chatgpt" (and, frankly, I still don't trust it to not hallucinate or get the wrong end of the wrong stick) to know that even ''if'' you get any of the "like" (to "cure like"), at the dilution ratios used (which is just part of the problem), vaccinations generally aren't used as direct counter to the thing being vaccinated ("you have dangerous bugs, here have some more dangerous bugs, they'll fight it out, because of... something that's mystical woo-woo") but as a more controlled and controllable 'training scenario'. Ideally ''before'' you catch the bad-bugs, you do the equivalent of throwing a few representative enemies over the city walls (dead, dismembered, tied up or even in the form of a shop manequin dressed in the enemy uniform) with a sign hanging from them saying "Beware, these enemies might be attacking shortly!"⅔...
−	::Homeopathy is like sending in vague ''rumours'' of what the enemy looks like (maybe "Wanted" posters with questionmarks where a mugshot should be), even while the the real ones are busy rampaging and pillaging through your city. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.216.82\|162.158.216.82]] 20:01, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

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	:While both approaches might superficially appear to follow a "like treats like" philosophy, vaccines have a clear biological mechanism supported by extensive scientific evidence, whereas homeopathy's proposed mechanisms (like "water memory") contradict established principles of chemistry and physics. --[[User:FaviFake\|FaviFake]] ([[User talk:FaviFake\|talk]]) 16:42, 17 April 2025 (UTC)		:While both approaches might superficially appear to follow a "like treats like" philosophy, vaccines have a clear biological mechanism supported by extensive scientific evidence, whereas homeopathy's proposed mechanisms (like "water memory") contradict established principles of chemistry and physics. --[[User:FaviFake\|FaviFake]] ([[User talk:FaviFake\|talk]]) 16:42, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
		+	::I wasn't going to bother to reply to the ragebaiting, but now I want to say that you don't need to "ask chatgpt" (and, frankly, I still don't trust it to not hallucinate or get the wrong end of the wrong stick) to know that even ''if'' you get any of the "like" (to "cure like"), at the dilution ratios used (which is just part of the problem), vaccinations generally aren't used as direct counter to the thing being vaccinated ("you have dangerous bugs, here have some more dangerous bugs, they'll fight it out, because of... something that's mystical woo-woo") but as a more controlled and controllable 'training scenario'. Ideally ''before'' you catch the bad-bugs, you do the equivalent of throwing a few representative enemies over the city walls (dead, dismembered, tied up or even in the form of a shop manequin dressed in the enemy uniform) with a sign hanging from them saying "Beware, these enemies might be attacking shortly!"⅔...
		+	::Homeopathy is like sending in vague ''rumours'' of what the enemy looks like (maybe "Wanted" posters with questionmarks where a mugshot should be), even while the the real ones are busy rampaging and pillaging through your city. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.216.82\|162.158.216.82]] 20:01, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

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	"Homeopathy is the belief that poisons, bacteria, and other harmful substances can actually cure the diseases they normally cause, if they are administered in sufficiently dilute form." Isn't that kind of like a vaccination? (I'm just ragebaiting!)[[Special:Contributions/172.71.164.38\|172.71.164.38]]		"Homeopathy is the belief that poisons, bacteria, and other harmful substances can actually cure the diseases they normally cause, if they are administered in sufficiently dilute form." Isn't that kind of like a vaccination? (I'm just ragebaiting!)[[Special:Contributions/172.71.164.38\|172.71.164.38]]
		+	:From chatgpt:
		+	:Homeopathy is based on two main principles: "like cures like" (substances that cause symptoms in healthy people can treat similar symptoms in sick people) and "law of infinitesimals" (the more diluted a substance is, the more potent it becomes). Homeopathic remedies are typically diluted to such an extreme degree that no molecules of the original substance remain in the final preparation.
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		+	:Vaccines, on the other hand, work by exposing the immune system to weakened or inactive parts of a pathogen (or synthetic analogs), triggering the production of antibodies and memory cells. This creates immunity without causing the disease. Importantly:
		+
		+	:Vaccines contain measurable amounts of antigen material that directly stimulate the immune system
		+	:The biological mechanism of vaccines is well-understood and demonstrable
		+	:Vaccines have been rigorously tested in clinical trials showing their effectiveness
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		+	:While both approaches might superficially appear to follow a "like treats like" philosophy, vaccines have a clear biological mechanism supported by extensive scientific evidence, whereas homeopathy's proposed mechanisms (like "water memory") contradict established principles of chemistry and physics. --[[User:FaviFake\|FaviFake]] ([[User talk:FaviFake\|talk]]) 16:42, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

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	If Semen is mixed long enough with water, especially in lower temperatures (below body heat), sperm will break down and die. So even if cueball got that 1 nonilionth chance of having a sperm cell in there, it would be long dead by now. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.62.63\|162.158.62.63]] 03:30, 2 February 2021 (UTC)		If Semen is mixed long enough with water, especially in lower temperatures (below body heat), sperm will break down and die. So even if cueball got that 1 nonilionth chance of having a sperm cell in there, it would be long dead by now. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.62.63\|162.158.62.63]] 03:30, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
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		+	"Homeopathy is the belief that poisons, bacteria, and other harmful substances can actually cure the diseases they normally cause, if they are administered in sufficiently dilute form." Isn't that kind of like a vaccination? (I'm just ragebaiting!)[[Special:Contributions/172.71.164.38\|172.71.164.38]]

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 :I remember someone complaining that homeopathic medicines are labeled similarly to the real thing on drug store shelves. Wouldn't this mean that, at least in some interpretations, it's the medicine which can be diluted into a cure?[[Special:Contributions/173.245.52.135|173.245.52.135]] 17:47, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
 ::No, the previous user is correct.  The "theory" of homeopathy is that to cure a symptom you provide something that would cause that symptom diluted into some ridiculously small dose.  Any products that are marketed with the label "homeopathy" but are primarily an active ingredient that would have a detectable effect are using the label incorrectly.  For example, there are two kinds of zinc in Zicam, both diluted at 2x, which means they're 1% of their original solution strength.  The label doesn't indicate the original solution strength and doesn't indicate how much zinc is actually present in the medicine.  Zinc is known to improve the immune system, so taking a diluted zinc supplement to stop a cold would, if homeopathy were true, would be the opposite of what you'd want to do.  Contrast this with the homeopathic remedy Belladonna, prepared at 30X concentrations (preparation is 1x10^-30 of original concentration) supposedly cures the circulatory system, because in normal concentrations Belladonna causes tachycardia, among other things. [[User:Ioldanach|Ioldanach]] ([[User talk:Ioldanach|talk]]) 14:16, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
-:::Any marks for realising why scientists can't replicate homeopathy's results? :))
+:::Any marks for realising why scientists can't replicate homeopathy's results? :)) [[User:Weatherlawyer| I used Google News BEFORE it was clickbait]] ([[User talk:Weatherlawyer|talk]]) 21:40, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
 ::::Maybe Cueball is Sterile?[[Special:Contributions/108.162.215.89|108.162.215.89]] 00:07, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
 Can we conclude that the woman is Megan? [[Special:Contributions/67.188.195.182|67.188.195.182]] 21:32, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

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	I like homeopathy, and enjoy talking to its proponents. I find it incredibly entertaining.		I like homeopathy, and enjoy talking to its proponents. I find it incredibly entertaining.
	[[Special:Contributions/108.162.245.106\|108.162.245.106]] 20:51, 15 May 2016 (UTC)		[[Special:Contributions/108.162.245.106\|108.162.245.106]] 20:51, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
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		+	If Semen is mixed long enough with water, especially in lower temperatures (below body heat), sperm will break down and die. So even if cueball got that 1 nonilionth chance of having a sperm cell in there, it would be long dead by now. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.62.63\|162.158.62.63]] 03:30, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

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	I find it more likely that the female is [[Danish]], as she has longer hair.--{{User:17jiangz1/signature\|09:41, 25 August 2015}}		I find it more likely that the female is [[Danish]], as she has longer hair.--{{User:17jiangz1/signature\|09:41, 25 August 2015}}
		+	:Except Danish is actually smart. [[Special:Contributions/172.68.34.106\|172.68.34.106]] 20:21, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

	I wrote out 1 nonillion, because #1162 also applies to quitters who don't have enough text space to make their point properly. [[User:International Space Station\|International Space Station]] ([[User talk:International Space Station\|talk]]) 23:26, 18 December 2015 (UTC)		I wrote out 1 nonillion, because #1162 also applies to quitters who don't have enough text space to make their point properly. [[User:International Space Station\|International Space Station]] ([[User talk:International Space Station\|talk]]) 23:26, 18 December 2015 (UTC)