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Guttenberg 2.0

172.69.79.157 at 19:36, 27 August 2023

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162.158.239.6 at 16:28, 27 August 2023

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The Cat Lady at 21:56, 23 August 2021

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172.69.48.150 at 13:40, 26 February 2021

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172.69.63.123 at 19:47, 12 October 2020

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Benjaminikuta at 21:26, 10 February 2017

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SilverMagpie at 22:42, 3 January 2017

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	[https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/the-reporters-63622746 Related and interesting]... [[Special:Contributions/172.70.86.12\|172.70.86.12]] 14:04, 19 November 2022 (UTC)		[https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/the-reporters-63622746 Related and interesting]... [[Special:Contributions/172.70.86.12\|172.70.86.12]] 14:04, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
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		+	The 2009 incident about Guttenberg's name was only the first such incident. It turns out the name stated on the German and English Wikipedias (as of 10 November 2024) has been wrong since 2016. Unrelated to this, yet another fake first name ("Friedrich") that was added in 2020 has just been removed from that Wikipedia article, after four years. For details, see [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Karl-Theodor_zu_Guttenberg#Buhl-Freiherr_von_und_zu_Guttenberg%3F this Wikipedia discussion]. [[User:Rexon Mobile\|Rexon Mobile]] ([[User talk:Rexon Mobile\|talk]]) 06:34, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

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 On a more amusing note, it is impossible to actually verify half of the obscure references on Wikipedia, as they are often magazines or books unlikely to be kept by typical libraries. One could easily fake an obscure reference if you know of a book with a title that seemingly pertains to the subject matter, but you know that the book had a printing run of less then 10,000 copies.
 [[Special:Contributions/108.162.215.63|108.162.215.63]] 18:09, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
-:It actually happens, too. There is a paragraph on Andrei Tarkovsky's Wikipedia page about an unfinished movie project called The First Day. The article cites an obscure book only available in Russian. According to people with access to the book, there is no such project mentioned in it. Also, the ISBN code given in the article matches a different book, which happens to be Tarkovsky's published diaries. There is no mention of such a project in his diaries, either, while he writes extensively about other projects he's planning at that time.
+:It actually happens, too. There is a paragraph on Andrei Tarkovsky's Wikipedia page about an unfinished movie project called The First Day. The article cites an obscure book only available in Russian. According to people with access to the book, there is no such project mentioned in it. Also, the ISBN code given in the article matches a different book, which happens to be Tarkovsky's published diaries. There is no mention of such a project in his diaries, either, while he writes extensively about other projects he's planning at that time. {{unsigned ip|162.158.239.6|16:28, 27 August 2023}}
 Note however, that this would only work if the information is so obscure that there are no conflicting sources.

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 On a more amusing note, it is impossible to actually verify half of the obscure references on Wikipedia, as they are often magazines or books unlikely to be kept by typical libraries. One could easily fake an obscure reference if you know of a book with a title that seemingly pertains to the subject matter, but you know that the book had a printing run of less then 10,000 copies.
 [[Special:Contributions/108.162.215.63|108.162.215.63]] 18:09, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
 Note however, that this would only work if the information is so obscure that there are no conflicting sources.

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	An example I once encountered of a much sloppier attempt at citogenesis: the article for a small, unincorporated community, near where I grew up claimed that [place] "is home to the art of cheddar winking." It cited a book that did not exist, whose ISBN number was for the Book of Mormon. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.48.150\|172.69.48.150]] 13:40, 26 February 2021 (UTC)		An example I once encountered of a much sloppier attempt at citogenesis: the article for a small, unincorporated community, near where I grew up claimed that [place] "is home to the art of cheddar winking." It cited a book that did not exist, whose ISBN number was for the Book of Mormon. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.48.150\|172.69.48.150]] 13:40, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
	: Another, slightly more prominent example was that a German politician [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl-Theodor_zu_Guttenberg Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg] who carries 10 given names. An unknown editor managed to slip an 11th given name into the list: Wilhelm. At first it was reverted, because there was no source. The unknown editor reverted it back. A slightly careful writer checked Wikipedia just in time to see the "Wilhelm" and took it at face value. Many other careless writers followed, some even claimed that Guttenberg would give his full name in interviews and include Wilhelm in the list (obviously those interviews never happened and were just fabricted). Which in turn then was used as a reference ("Google is your friend, people!") for the Wikipedia article. Took some time to get the false name out of the article. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.203.15\|162.158.203.15]] 10:11, 4 June 2021 (UTC)		: Another, slightly more prominent example was that a German politician [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl-Theodor_zu_Guttenberg Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg] who carries 10 given names. An unknown editor managed to slip an 11th given name into the list: Wilhelm. At first it was reverted, because there was no source. The unknown editor reverted it back. A slightly careful writer checked Wikipedia just in time to see the "Wilhelm" and took it at face value. Many other careless writers followed, some even claimed that Guttenberg would give his full name in interviews and include Wilhelm in the list (obviously those interviews never happened and were just fabricted). Which in turn then was used as a reference ("Google is your friend, people!") for the Wikipedia article. Took some time to get the false name out of the article. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.203.15\|162.158.203.15]] 10:11, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
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		+	[https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/the-reporters-63622746 Related and interesting]... [[Special:Contributions/172.70.86.12\|172.70.86.12]] 14:04, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

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 I'm curious if the doubled "was" in the first panel was an intentional "easter egg" of the kind of carelessness that may be typical of somebody vandalizing Wikipedia with fake information, or if it was unintentional on Randall's part. Perhaps we'll never know. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.63.123|172.69.63.123]] 19:47, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
 An example I once encountered of a much sloppier attempt at citogenesis: the article for a small, unincorporated community, near where I grew up claimed that [place] "is home to the art of cheddar winking." It cited a book that did not exist, whose ISBN number was for the Book of Mormon. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.48.150|172.69.48.150]] 13:40, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
 : Another, slightly more prominent example was that a German politician [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl-Theodor_zu_Guttenberg Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg] who carries 10 given names. An unknown editor managed to slip an 11th given name into the list: Wilhelm. At first it was reverted, because there was no source. The unknown editor reverted it back. A slightly careful writer checked Wikipedia just in time to see the "Wilhelm" and took it at face value. Many other careless writers followed, some even claimed that Guttenberg would give his full name in interviews and include Wilhelm in the list (obviously those interviews never happened and were just fabricted). Which in turn then was used as a reference ("Google is your friend, people!") for the Wikipedia article. Took some time to get the false name out of the article. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.203.15|162.158.203.15]] 10:11, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

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	An example I once encountered of a much sloppier attempt at citogenesis: the article for a small, unincorporated community, near where I grew up claimed that [place] "is home to the art of cheddar winking." It cited a book that did not exist, whose ISBN number was for the Book of Mormon. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.48.150\|172.69.48.150]] 13:40, 26 February 2021 (UTC)		An example I once encountered of a much sloppier attempt at citogenesis: the article for a small, unincorporated community, near where I grew up claimed that [place] "is home to the art of cheddar winking." It cited a book that did not exist, whose ISBN number was for the Book of Mormon. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.48.150\|172.69.48.150]] 13:40, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
		+	: Another, slightly more prominent example was that a German politician [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl-Theodor_zu_Guttenberg Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg] who carries 10 given names. An unknown editor managed to slip an 11th given name into the list: Wilhelm. At first it was reverted, because there was no source. The unknown editor reverted it back. A slightly careful writer checked Wikipedia just in time to see the "Wilhelm" and took it at face value. Many other careless writers followed, some even claimed that Guttenberg would give his full name in interviews and include Wilhelm in the list (obviously those interviews never happened and were just fabricted). Which in turn then was used as a reference ("Google is your friend, people!") for the Wikipedia article. Took some time to get the false name out of the article. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.203.15\|162.158.203.15]] 10:11, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

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	I'm curious if the doubled "was" in the first panel was an intentional "easter egg" of the kind of carelessness that may be typical of somebody vandalizing Wikipedia with fake information, or if it was unintentional on Randall's part. Perhaps we'll never know. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.63.123\|172.69.63.123]] 19:47, 12 October 2020 (UTC)		I'm curious if the doubled "was" in the first panel was an intentional "easter egg" of the kind of carelessness that may be typical of somebody vandalizing Wikipedia with fake information, or if it was unintentional on Randall's part. Perhaps we'll never know. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.63.123\|172.69.63.123]] 19:47, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
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		+	An example I once encountered of a much sloppier attempt at citogenesis: the article for a small, unincorporated community, near where I grew up claimed that [place] "is home to the art of cheddar winking." It cited a book that did not exist, whose ISBN number was for the Book of Mormon. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.48.150\|172.69.48.150]] 13:40, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

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	What happened to the "portmanteau" in paragraph 2? [[User:SilverMagpie\|SilverMagpie]] ([[User talk:SilverMagpie\|talk]]) 22:41, 3 January 2017 (UTC)		What happened to the "portmanteau" in paragraph 2? [[User:SilverMagpie\|SilverMagpie]] ([[User talk:SilverMagpie\|talk]]) 22:41, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
	:Never mind, I fixed it. [[User:SilverMagpie\|SilverMagpie]] ([[User talk:SilverMagpie\|talk]]) 22:42, 3 January 2017 (UTC)		:Never mind, I fixed it. [[User:SilverMagpie\|SilverMagpie]] ([[User talk:SilverMagpie\|talk]]) 22:42, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
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		+	I'm curious if the doubled "was" in the first panel was an intentional "easter egg" of the kind of carelessness that may be typical of somebody vandalizing Wikipedia with fake information, or if it was unintentional on Randall's part. Perhaps we'll never know. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.63.123\|172.69.63.123]] 19:47, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

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	What happened to the "portmanteau" in paragraph 2? [[User:SilverMagpie\|SilverMagpie]] ([[User talk:SilverMagpie\|talk]]) 22:41, 3 January 2017 (UTC)		What happened to the "portmanteau" in paragraph 2? [[User:SilverMagpie\|SilverMagpie]] ([[User talk:SilverMagpie\|talk]]) 22:41, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
		+	:Never mind, I fixed it. [[User:SilverMagpie\|SilverMagpie]] ([[User talk:SilverMagpie\|talk]]) 22:42, 3 January 2017 (UTC)